Mall Of America: Remove Your "Jesus Saves" Shirt Or Leave The Mall

originally posted by: iwanttobelieve70
Working for a law firm isn’t a protected right by law.

Why is this so hard for you chuckle heads.

Neither is bothering people by preaching your religion to them on private property. Chuckle head.

originally posted by: Sookiechacha
Well, according to the "clip", the guy had shown up several days in a row, and was loudly preaching at shoppers, which caused numerous complaints from venders and shoppers, and they had to remove him, several days in a row. The guy keeps saying that he hasn't said anything "today". The security guard says, and I paraphrase, "Okay take off your shirt then, and we'll be fine.", but the guy wouldn't.

I'm not seeing that information in the clips provided, maybe you can include a time stamp with transcript of the dialogue in question. If accurate, then it makes sense that someone who is habitually intruding on the peaceful conduct of business would be questioned and then instructed to tone it down or depart the premises.

I stand by my previous comment that it's useful for idiots to wear highly visible hazard signs, including ̶𝐂̶𝐎̶𝐄̶𝐗̶𝐈̶𝐒̶𝐓̶ iconography.

originally posted by: JIMC5499

originally posted by: iwanttobelieve70
Working for a law firm isn’t a protected right by law.

Why is this so hard for you chuckle heads.

Neither is bothering people by preaching your religion to them on private property. Chuckle head.

Freedom of

Or

freedom from

Which one is correct?

originally posted by: Sookiechacha
a reply to: Maxmars

Sigh....

You think these people deserve a clean slate because it's a new day. But, here they are again, at the scene of the crime, again. They're oh so innocent and the weary enforcers are oh so intolerant.

How does it go.....Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on me..

Actually I don't.

I only offer for consideration that if the egregious behavior were truly egregious, why weren't they confronted at the time? Are we allowed to store up our disdain and resentment to be applied after and pretend the offense is never-ending? That's seem proportionally obtuse in the opposite direction of "it's a new day, clean slate."

'innocent' implies judgement. But that judgement is not of the moment.

Maybe this guy was a pain in the ass, and maybe they couldn't really 'do' anything about it because it was outside the mall... I get that. But to wait until he comes in and sock it to him now that you can? Yeah, real classy instance of 'securing' the mall... "I see the word 'Jesus' on your t-shirt... I am offended and disturbed..." Which mall employee virtue-signaled his way into this scenario I wonder?

This isn't the UK. You don't get to play fascist games here because its 'en vogue' to bitch about people you are prepared to dislike.

originally posted by: Sookiechacha
a reply to: TheRedneck

That "Stop Climate Change" shirt is quite offensive to me. Who are you, to tell me what I can and can't find offensive? Who made you the arbitrator of offense?

There is nothing in those Mall of America guidelines about protecting snowflakes like you from being offended. There is a rule against wearing religious slurs, which the shirt contains.

But he was not asked to leave for preaching. He wasn't preaching. He was asked to leave for wearing a t-shirt.

He was asked to leave several days in a row for preaching. He has a record with Mall Security.

On this day, people, no doubt employees and shop owners, saw him wearing the same shirt again, and complained to security that "preacher guy" is back. They didn't ask him to leave for preaching at this time. They asked him to take off his rule violating shirt, or they would ask him to leave again.

Actually, the cult of Climate Change is a kind of religion, as it’s not really based on scientific evidence, and the Agenda 21 Climate Change cultists worship Gaia, the goddess of Mother Earth. Don’t believe me?

. Gaia worship is at the very heart of today's environmental policy. The Endangered Species Act, The United Nation's Biodiversity Treaty and the Presidents Council on Sustainable Development are all offspring of the Gaia hypothesis of saving "Mother Earth". This religious movement, with cult-like qualities, is being promoted by leading figures and organizations such as former Vice President Albert Gore, broadcaster Ted Turner, and the United Nations and it's various NGO's.

The Gaia hypothesis can be credited to James Lovelock. Lovelock worked for NASA during the 1960's as a consultant to the "life on Mars" Viking spacecraft project. Lovelock's theory claims that the earth's "biota", tightly coupled with its environment, act as a single, self regulating living system in such a way as to maintain the conditions that are suitable for life.

environment-ecology.com...

Environmentalism has "become a religion" and does not pay enough attention to facts, according to James Lovelock

amp.theguardian.com...
Here’s a whole slew of articles about Gaia goddess worship www.sciencegate.app...

uring a 2002 United Nations meeting at which religious and spiritual leaders were called upon to move "from an exclusive preoccupation with Divine-human relations and human-human relations to renew human - Earth relations." "In other words, Earth worship should replace any belief in a divine being," explains Contender Ministries' Jennifer Rast. " . . . They envision for the religions of the world 'a major transformation from their theological and anthropological phase to their ecological and cosmological phase.' Following one of the major themes of the New Age Movement, humanity is spiritually evolving from being worshipers of God to being gods ourselves." A core belief among those who are pushing for a global earth-centered religion is that the earth is a self-regulating, self-sustaining entity which is in a state of continuous adjustment to the environment. Known as the Gaia hypothesis,

www.womenofgrace.com...
www.meta-religion.com...
From the mouth of a Gaia worshiper gaianism.org...
thebiggreenlie.wordpress.com...
Globalism Agenda 21 Earth Charter Green Agenda Socialism Environmentalism Depopulation agenda and Gaia earth goddess worship all tied together www.catholicculture.org...
And this is just the tip of the iceberg

originally posted by: Maxmars

originally posted by: Sookiechacha

But it can be proverbially a final straw.

This didn't happen in a vacuum. The guy had to be removed before for causing a disturbance, several days in a row, and here he is back again wearing the same shirt as the other times. Each time security has to deal with this guy, they are going to become less and less charitable to his quirks, and more sensitive to the disruption and the cost his presence has come to represent.

I was resisting noting that situation seem oddly analogous to the woman in the UK who being a known religious activist, was arrested for silently standing and allegedly praying in a public place which suffered activism before.

The reasoning could have come from the same playbook "The guy had to be removed before for causing a disturbance, several days in a row, and here he is back again wearing the same shirt as the other times."

I notice the similarity extends to the fact that the "justice" being served relates to the antecedent alleged events... but delivered an a subsequent day with no complaints of disturbance being made ... just an observation that "that's the guy..." and in England "Yeah, that's her..."

I'm sure righteous virtue feels good to spread, but I see something very synchronous about the reporting here... as if it came from the same place.

This exactly how we get slow walked to the gallows.

originally posted by: iwanttobelieve70

originally posted by: JIMC5499

originally posted by: iwanttobelieve70
Working for a law firm isn’t a protected right by law.

Why is this so hard for you chuckle heads.

Neither is bothering people by preaching your religion to them on private property. Chuckle head.

Freedom of

Or

freedom from

Which one is correct?

Freedom doesn't mean coopting an unrelated designated business because you're too lazy to license and advertise your own designated business. The word for that is soliciting.

a reply to: TzarChasm


Lots of good info in this video. Put on head phones. Adjust your levels. Pay attention to the what the female security guard and the cop are affirming. "Several days in row" clearly at around 2:16-21
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This one, highly edited, deliberately messed up sound. (Gotta wonder why) But, at 1:48, shirt guy admits to being asked to leave for "preaching the gospel", but says he hasn't said a word "today".
www.toddstarnes.com...

originally posted by: Annee
should be inclusive to anyone who visits it.

Except him though ...right? Inclusive to ALL means exactly that...you cannot have it both ways.

a reply to: infolurker

If you actually read the article you will see that this guy as obviously been a nuisance at this mall. He has been kicked out several times before for soliciting religion and preaching at the mall. He is obviously a problem “shopper” and security is well aware of who he is, I’m surprised after several alterations he was even allowed back at the mall. It’s private property and other shoppers shouldn’t have to be subjected to his behavior, I don’t want someone preaching to me that my believes are wrong and that I’ll go to hell for not following what he believes. His shirt proves he was there to start more BS but security was on him before he started harassing others. Freedom of religion is Also a right but this guy wants everyone to believe in Jesus which is the opposite of what American stands for. They should trespass the dude and not alllow him back, he’s lucky they haven’t.

originally posted by: Habs2133

originally posted by: Annee
should be inclusive to anyone who visits it.

Except him though ...right? Inclusive to ALL means exactly that...you cannot have it both ways.

Being inclusive to people who can't resist the compulsion to condescend and lecture while dressing it up as spiritual enlightenment, aka accommodating people who suck at being accommodating. Something doesn't add up there.

People these days are such p*ssies. Pitching fits because they see or hear something they don't like.

People used to be adults. They would just ignore this guy.

originally posted by: Habs2133

originally posted by: Annee
should be inclusive to anyone who visits it.

Except him though ...right? Inclusive to ALL means exactly that...you cannot have it both ways.

I’m guessing some people didn’t like that the shirt replaced the coexist symbol with Jesus …

originally posted by: TzarChasm

originally posted by: iwanttobelieve70

originally posted by: JIMC5499

originally posted by: iwanttobelieve70
Working for a law firm isn’t a protected right by law.

Why is this so hard for you chuckle heads.

Neither is bothering people by preaching your religion to them on private property. Chuckle head.

Freedom of

Or

freedom from

Which one is correct?

Freedom doesn't mean coopting an unrelated designated business because you're too lazy to license and advertise your own designated business. The word for that is soliciting.

Show me that definition I dare you.

This was only ! guy guy people.... this is not going on all over the country everywhere in all the malls everywhere...

originally posted by: TzarChasm

originally posted by: Sookiechacha
Well, according to the "clip", the guy had shown up several days in a row, and was loudly preaching at shoppers, which caused numerous complaints from venders and shoppers, and they had to remove him, several days in a row. The guy keeps saying that he hasn't said anything "today". The security guard says, and I paraphrase, "Okay take off your shirt then, and we'll be fine.", but the guy wouldn't.

I'm not seeing that information in the clips provided, maybe you can include a time stamp with transcript of the dialogue in question. If accurate, then it makes sense that someone who is habitually intruding on the peaceful conduct of business would be questioned and then instructed to tone it down or depart the premises.

I stand by my previous comment that it's useful for idiots to wear highly visible hazard signs, including ̶𝐂̶𝐎̶𝐄̶𝐗̶𝐈̶𝐒̶𝐓̶ iconography.

Yeh some of the younger gens didn’t get to experience people wearing orange robes and giving away books if the Bhavagad Gita to people in the malls, parking lots and airports. Haha

originally posted by: Habs2133

originally posted by: Annee
should be inclusive to anyone who visits it.

Except him though ...right? Inclusive to ALL means exactly that...you cannot have it both ways.

I personally don't care.

Waiting for the "counter" shirt person.

We can have a contest to see who can be the most annoying.

I think everyone will all get along nicely if Christians just worshipped how the authoritarian left wants them to worship.

Sheesh.

I mean, what's the problem!

originally posted by: ThirdEyeofHorus

originally posted by: TzarChasm

originally posted by: Sookiechacha
Well, according to the "clip", the guy had shown up several days in a row, and was loudly preaching at shoppers, which caused numerous complaints from venders and shoppers, and they had to remove him, several days in a row. The guy keeps saying that he hasn't said anything "today". The security guard says, and I paraphrase, "Okay take off your shirt then, and we'll be fine.", but the guy wouldn't.

I'm not seeing that information in the clips provided, maybe you can include a time stamp with transcript of the dialogue in question. If accurate, then it makes sense that someone who is habitually intruding on the peaceful conduct of business would be questioned and then instructed to tone it down or depart the premises.

I stand by my previous comment that it's useful for idiots to wear highly visible hazard signs, including ̶𝐂̶𝐎̶𝐄̶𝐗̶𝐈̶𝐒̶𝐓̶ iconography.

Yeh some of the younger gens didn’t get to experience people wearing orange robes and giving away books if the Bhavagad Gita to people in the malls, parking lots and airports. Haha

I remember them, but they were giving away pamphlets and were not in my face preaching.

originally posted by: ThirdEyeofHorus

originally posted by: Habs2133

originally posted by: Annee
should be inclusive to anyone who visits it.

Except him though ...right? Inclusive to ALL means exactly that...you cannot have it both ways.

I’m guessing some people didn’t like that the shirt replaced the coexist symbol with Jesus …

It's such a Jesus message.