Mall Of America: Remove Your "Jesus Saves" Shirt Or Leave The Mall

a reply to: TheRedneck

Love thy neighbor as you love thyself - says it all.

originally posted by: quintessentone
a reply to: tanstaafl
You have no idea what you are talking about.

Talking to yourself again... careful, that can be dangerous...

I've had to endure the sick and dysfunction patriarchal societal system throughout my whole life, starting in the late 50's to now and it was wrong then and it's wrong now, especially within the church - it allows abuse of all sorts.

There is much dysfunction in the church, but if you were experiening it there, that was purely voluntary, as no one was forcing you to go to or join any particular church.

As for society as a whole... by all means, provide some examples, some details.

With that said the crossed out gender equality 'e' is offensive to anyone who has experienced any kind of discrimination

Only in their woke-infected minds.

There is no such thing as 'gender equality', because the TWO sexes are not equal - never have been, never will be.

- whether it's true or not - it demeans any efforts of people who are trying to make societal changes for the good of everyone.

Except the changes being pursued by these insane people is destroying the very fabric of our nation.

Take it elsewhere, please. I hear Communist China will welcome you with open arms.

If you never experienced discrimination in any form they you haven't a clue.

As a cis white male, I've been experiencing a lot lately.

And am I wrong or does the 't' in the word coexist signify the Catholic cross and he crossed that out too? What religion is this guy - some kind of new hate?

Dunno and don't care, I've never been into these sill symbols/symbolism.

That said, the Catholic Church is clearly, to anyone who has researched the subject, 'the great Harlot' as described in the Bible.

originally posted by: tanstaafl

originally posted by: Sookiechacha
a reply to: tanstaafl

So, preacher shirt guy was asked to leave the mall because he was espousing "The Truth"?

Did I say that? Did I say anything even remotely like that?

No, but of course, the truth is clearly something that some people are incapable of discerning.

Carry on...

Preacher shirt guy and his relationship with the Mall of America and their security has nothing, zero, nada, zilch...to do with "The Truth". I doubt you would know "Truth" if it bit you on the nose.

a reply to: tanstaafl

The 't' in co-exist is representative of the holy cross which signifies the five wounds of Christ. This guy crossed it out too. This is nothing more than a new kind of hate, I'll call it pan-hate for now.

a reply to: quintessentone

I think you are describing two aspects of human behavior: the need for attention and the "court of public opinion." I agree these seem to be the root cause of the Karen phenomena.

I think I am a partial exception to the first, probably because I have been the center of attention when I was very young (only child for the first 8 years) and was also ignored as the "nerd" in school. Experiencing both of those extremes seems to have "burnt out" the part of my brain that needs attention. I enjoy it when it comes, yes, but if attention is not there it's no big deal for me. I tend to just sit on the sidelines content to watch the idiocy in front of me. It's like sick entertainment.

I will take action when I think someone is in danger. Were I to witness a Karen moment happening in front of me, I would be recording it for when the police did arrive (which usually happens in my experience). I think most people would prefer to remain separated completely from the incident, however, as a method of self-preservation. Karen moments can be terrifying, as they take the worst of the virtual rules of behavior and translate them into reality.

Which, yes, would cause the situation to escalate.

I think the phenomenon has taken on such a prominent position in our society because of one simple thing: we have segregated ourselves from each other. Look at us here... I am sitting in my home office in rural Alabama, talking to you and I have no idea where you are in the world. We are safe from each other. There have been many comments made to be in this forum over the years that would, had we been in a face-to-face situation, left at least one of us not standing (and I am saying this not accusing you specifically; this has been from many, many different posters). The once-accepted "rules of society" have been rendered null and void. Words, often typed over text sent back and forth between computers, are now the real weapons we use to try and hurt each other, rather than physical contact.

Physical contact is a funny thing. It tends to enforce those "rules of society" in a way that words cannot.

At the same time, our legal system has taken a lot of time catching up to the fact that words are now primary weapons. Combined with the anonymity of the Internet, it is quite difficult to enforce any consistent rules across the Internet. There are so many different sites available, each with differing rules of conduct (some with no rules of conduct) that one can simply change a web address to whatever "rules of society" one wishes to participate in.

But the Internet is not real; it is virtual. It only exists as tiny spots of electrical charge coded to portray information and stored in semiconductor circuits. People are social beings at heart, not virtual beings. Nothing virtual can ever take the place of human contact. So the need for social contact is not satisfied, the rules of society are twisted, and the lack of response from our legal system cannot keep up and ends up encouraging the behavior by its lack of response. The Karen phenomenon is simply the effect of Internet "rules" (or lack thereof) bleeding through into reality from the virtual world.

TheRedneck

a reply to: TheRedneck

I wish as a child I left out of the idiocy but alas no, as a female I had no choice in many matters of my life and being gifted made it only worse for myself, because I could identify when my human rights were being taken away. Such as when I was 7 yrs old and the neighborhood Boys Club (not a Boys and Girls Club, a BOYS CLUB) started allowing girls to use the swimming pool and they started up a crochet class, well I wanted to join the build a wooden birdhouse, so I went. I was immediately escorted out of the class by two instructors and made to learn to crochet. The next weekend I went back to the birdhouse making class and the male instructor was pissed and would not assist me in learning how to do it, so I asked a boy my age and he helped me. You see, I didn't take no for an answer even as a young child, because some behavior is just wrong. I have since expanded my love for woodworking as an adult, it's a joy in my life.

Physical contact/violence need not be involved in dealing with offensive or out of control people (and this guy is woo woo IMO) because in this case the security guards handled it, and if it escalated then police would handle it, so there is no excuse for just letting it go and ignoring it if it is offensive, which it is to me and I would be another voice in the crowd complaining about this guy. This guy is not your typical street/mall preacher, there's a lot going on there that all I can say points to pan-hate mixed up with Jesus, somehow.

Even though we are all virtual we know we are all real people with real feelz and a need to make sense of this weird and wonderful world, and together hopefully we can learn to control our feelz and relate to each other in a manner that serves to aid in understanding and positivity rather than negativity. It took me a while being on this forum to keep my ego in control and not let others' insults derail my intent on sharing ideas here and if others are unable or unwilling to do the same then, as was advised to me by another member here, I will simply move on and not feed the fire.

a reply to: quintessentone

By your definition, Islam is also "pan-hate".

originally posted by: Creep Thumper
a reply to: quintessentone

By your definition, Islam is also "pan-hate".

I read some of the passages of their religious books and taken to the extreme (or interpreted with bias and hate) by extremists it most certainly is pan-hate, but the majority of people don't go there.

originally posted by: Sookiechacha

Does it hurt to be you? To wake up every morning and look in the mirror?

I don't see how it can't, but...

originally posted by: quintessentone
a reply to: tanstaafl

The 't' in co-exist is representative of the holy cross which signifies the five wounds of Christ. This guy crossed it out too. This is nothing more than a new kind of hate, I'll call it pan-hate for now.

Your comment is just another perfect example of insane wokists making # up as they go in order to manufacture something to be offended by...

originally posted by: tanstaafl

originally posted by: quintessentone
a reply to: tanstaafl

The 't' in co-exist is representative of the holy cross which signifies the five wounds of Christ. This guy crossed it out too. This is nothing more than a new kind of hate, I'll call it pan-hate for now.

Your comment is just another perfect example of insane wokists making # up as they go in order to manufacture something to be offended by...

I looked at the origin of this graphic by the Polish artist and Bono used it in it's original state (without permission BTW) - are you telling me the 't' is now not a Catholic cross as it was originally intended?

originally posted by: quintessentone
a reply to: tanstaafl
I looked at the origin of this graphic by the Polish artist and Bono used it in it's original state (without permission BTW) - are you telling me the 't' is now not a Catholic cross as it was originally intended?

Did I say that? Did I say anything even remotely resembling that?

Flounder much?

originally posted by: tanstaafl

originally posted by: quintessentone
a reply to: tanstaafl
I looked at the origin of this graphic by the Polish artist and Bono used it in it's original state (without permission BTW) - are you telling me the 't' is now not a Catholic cross as it was originally intended?

Did I say that? Did I say anything even remotely resembling that?

Flounder much?

Well, I asked you a question.

originally posted by: quintessentone
a reply to: tanstaafl
Well, I asked you a question.

No, you attempted to imply that I said something that I hadn't by framing a fake question.

I don't care what it symbolizes. That said, I did point out in a prior response that if it does symbolize the Catholic Church, then canceling it might be a good thing because I believe it is quite clear that the Catholic Church is 'the great Harlot' as warned about in the Bible.

originally posted by: tanstaafl

originally posted by: quintessentone
a reply to: tanstaafl
Well, I asked you a question.

No, you attempted to imply that I said something that I hadn't by framing a fake question.

I don't care what it symbolizes. That said, I did point out in a prior response that if it does symbolize the Catholic Church, then canceling it might be a good thing because I believe it is quite clear that the Catholic Church is 'the great Harlot' as warned about in the Bible.

You should join this guy at the mall then, you have a lot in common.

a reply to: quintessentone

Kudos to you for sticking to your guns. I enjoy woodworking as well (slowly building a heirloom-quality storage table out of rough-sawn red oak boards from this very mountain for my home office). There is no reason whatsoever a woman cannot be every bit as skilled in woodwork as a man.

I'll go you one further: many years ago, I was laying a foundation for a building: just one aging redneck, his wife, and two small kids. Foundation work is hard work; I spent several years doing it in my youth. My wife and son toted the blocks and mortar for me while I laid the block. My daughter was enthralled with the cement mixer, so I showed her how to mix mortar. The very first batch was usable, and two days later she was mixing just as good as seasoned professionals.

A few years later, we were at the local trade school on open house day, looking to see if she was interested in any of the trades. We walked into the masonry shop, and several of the boys there started laughing at a girl considering masonry. I stopped one of them real quick, got in his face and said, "Son, I worked masonry for several years. I'll put her up against you for mixing mud any day of the week, and she's not even started in this class. When you wanna do it and how much money you willing to put where that big mouth is?"

I looked over and the instructor was smiling.

She didn't take that class; she decided to go the college route. But she can do anything she puts her mind to.

Physical contact/violence need not be involved in dealing with offensive or out of control people

I strongly disagree. Even when a situation is handled peacefully, that threat is still there. Every time someone is stopped for a traffic violation, the cop is on alert for physical resistance and is willing and ready to counter that if needed. It may not be nice to think about, and it may not fit with modern philosophy, but physical violence is always an option in reality. Most people, myself included, prefer to solve things without violence, yes, but that is still because the threat of violence exists.

That threat is exactly why so many people choose to take a neutral position when they see a Karen incident. Karens can become quite violent.

Even though we are all virtual we know we are all real people with real feelz and a need to make sense of this weird and wonderful world

I really wish that were true, but thus far my experience has been that more do not understand that than do understand it.

TheRedneck

a reply to: quintessentone

It's not the individual symbols he crossed out; it is the composite of all of them, as I explained. That composite is the problem, as it demands not just tolerance, but personal acceptance of all other beliefs. It essentially pits itself against Christianity, Islam, and Judaism, using their symbols improperly to do so.

TheRedneck

a reply to: TheRedneck

That threat is exactly why so many people choose to take a neutral position when they see a Karen incident. Karens can become quite violent.

The people in the mall who complained didn't take a neutral position though, they put their complaints to the management to deal with it.

You sound like a great dad for your daughter, kudos to you too.

originally posted by: TheRedneck
a reply to: quintessentone

It's not the individual symbols he crossed out; it is the composite of all of them, as I explained. That composite is the problem, as it demands not just tolerance, but personal acceptance of all other beliefs. It essentially pits itself against Christianity, Islam, and Judaism, using their symbols improperly to do so.

TheRedneck

It went beyond that to cross out universality, gender equality and peace in the world, along with the religious cross. It's nonsensical to the message he thinks he is trying to relay.

So "Jesus Saves" with a picture of a floppy disk would be OK?
On the back it says "Hunter Biden never deletes anything"a reply to: Annee