6 year old shoots his teacher

originally posted by: TheRedneck
a reply to: chr0naut

There is absolutely no reason why several measures cannot work together.

There is when one measure negates the other.

One can be educated in things without tactile contact and repeated unsafe use of firearms also does not train anyone in safe use.

No, one cannot "be educated in things without tactile contact." That is a lie. Experience matters, like it or not.

That's probably why all those laws and regulations have so many unintended consequences. People think they can really learn a subject thoroughly by just reading. They cannot; you cannot.

We learn more from mistakes than we do from successes. That's a known fact. That's where "direct, continuous, and responsible" training comes in. Under direct, continuous, responsible training, mistakes can be corrected before consequences set in.

Wise regulation would include mandatory education.

That would be a start.

Hunting is big in Alabama, almost a rite of passage. Anyone applying for a hunting license in Alabama must show proof of completion of an NRA-approved firearm safety course before it is issued. No one's rights are violated; guns are not restricted; the courses are often free so there's no economic disadvantage; yet hunting accidents have dropped significantly since that was implemented. I fully support that law.

firearms top the list for rapidity and lethality in suicides.

Only because they are efficient. If someone is intent on committing suicide, they will do so.

If training is simply by use of firearms, and is not structured and moderated, then the same accidents may occur during 'training' as in use.

Is there something wrong with your monitor? It's almost as though you cannot see all the words used.

Try reading all the words if you want to have a mature conversation. I do not debate with children... of any chronological age.

I was suggesting primarily a process of registration, licensing and education. Regulation of firearms is not 'outlawing' them all.

Then why does "regulation" always involve outlawing?

You're probably one of those people that thinks the "AR" in "AR-15" stands for "Assault Rifle." It doesn't; it stands for "Armalite Rifle Model 15." Armalite was the company who developed the frame.

Very few who have misused firearms manufacture their own weapons and some who have manufactured their own firearms have ended up with them blowing up in their face.

I know this may be a new term for you, but look up the definition of "Black Market."

Regulation, while it has not totally stopped all gun crime, has reduced the incidence of firearm related crime in every country where it has been applied.

So the USA does not have school shootings?

Chicago (severe regulation on every firearm known) has no crime? Really?

Look up Kennesaw, Georgia sometime. A while back, they passed a city ordinance that every household in the city must have a firearm (exceptions for those legally unable to comply). Violent crime dropped overnight to record levels. *Even though the city did not aggressively enforce the policy... just knowing most homes had a gun was apparently enough to dissuade crime.

And in any case, is the goal to reduce "gun crimes" or to reduce "violent crimes"? Apparently it is to reduce only "gun crimes" since no one ever looks at the statistics for violent crime in these discussions. If you're not trying to reduce violent crimes, then it becomes obvious you just hate guns.

Get your paws off mine.

The implementation of regulation also takes time to have full effect, especially where people may secretly harbor unregistered firearms.

We have been restricting firearm use for 40 years. How long do you expect it's going to take to complete this grand experiment of yours? How many people will needlessly die in that time?

You, sir, are reckless and dangerous.

TheRedneck

There is a semi-humourous adage that "a trained organism, in a controlled environment, will do what it damn well pleases". This could easily be applied to humans, and especially to children.

You once posted that you left loaded firearms within access of your children because you trusted them. Several ATS posters have already suggested prosecution of the parents for just such irresponsibility. Why should we consider what you did any differently?

a reply to: chr0naut

You once posted that you left loaded firearms within access of your children because you trusted them. Several ATS posters have already suggested prosecution of the parents for just such irresponsibility. Why should we consider what you did any differently?

Once? Try several times, including in this thread.

Wanna prosecute me for that? Go for it. I'm already old. Just take one piece of advice when you do:

Bring body bags. A lot of body bags. One for me; the rest for you.

Our conversation is over.

TheRedneck

originally posted by: TheRedneck
a reply to: chr0naut

You once posted that you left loaded firearms within access of your children because you trusted them. Several ATS posters have already suggested prosecution of the parents for just such irresponsibility. Why should we consider what you did any differently?

Once? Try several times, including in this thread.

Wanna prosecute me for that? Go for it. I'm already old. Just take one piece of advice when you do:

Bring body bags. A lot of body bags. One for me; the rest for you.

Our conversation is over.

TheRedneck

What do you think reckless and dangerous would actually look like?

Wow!

Someone needs a vacation

My husband just told me that the news is reporting it was the 6 year old mother's gun.
Somebody's going to the Big House!

About two to three years ago, I had a heated discussion about kids being able to act out in violence. I told her about a news article about a kid taking a knife to an expensive blow up Christmas decoration that now will not blow up.

The person came back maybe an older child. A six year old is still a baby. They would do no harm. It came down to them believing they wouldn't know how, or be mentally capable of it.

Unfortunately, I'm vindicated. No gloating. No I told you so. I don't even know where that person is now. Just a sadness that this is true. I wish it was like they said. I hope the teacher pulls through.

a reply to: RonnieJersey

If true that just confirms what most suspected, that being the gun originated from the parental home.

I wonder what she will be charged with, if indeed she is charged?

a reply to: chr0naut

You making that suggestion standing in front of me.

That is a line one does not cross here. I suggest you stay in New Zealand for your own safety. We're done.

TheRedneck

a reply to: RonnieJersey

That is extremely disturbing news.

TheRedneck

a reply to: RonnieJersey

Some more info.



www.cbsnews.com...

originally posted by: RonnieJersey
My husband just told me that the news is reporting it was the 6 year old mother's gun.
Somebody's going to the Big House!

The 6 year old was a mother?

It's only logical that the child would have gotten it from his household; I mean, kid can't easily purchase one, and they aren't known to just be lying around (except perhaps in a home).

a reply to: jerryznv

I don't think anyone suggested that it be a condition of employment

Me either, I was just putting that out there as (my) opinion.

You present an interesting point though...firearms are not allowed inside a jail...so as you enter, there is a lock box outside that you place your firearm into and take the key.

I fail to understand how this example is relevant to a school. What am I missing?

What a beautiful woman, and so worried about her students:

Abigail 'Abby' Zwerner: Virginia teacher, 25, yelled at students to get to safety after 6-yr-old shot her

NEWPORT NEWS, VIRGINIA: A first-grade teacher shot by her six-year-old student following an altercation reportedly screamed for her students to get to safety. Abigail "Abby" Zwerner, 25, was shot in the chest in a classroom at Richneck Elementary School, around 2 pm on Friday, January 6, following which she was rushed to the Riverside Regional Medical Center in critical condition. No students were harmed in the senseless school shooting, said police.

The six-year-old gunman is in police custody and his identity has not been disclosed so far. A fellow student's parent, Sebastian Gonzalez-Hernandez, spoke of the teacher's selflessness in the terrifying situation and said, "She screamed at her kids to run away," after the student fired a single bullet, revealed Daily Mail. "Even after she'd been shot she was thinking about the safety of her children," Gonzalez-Hernandez said.

meaww.com...

originally posted by: chr0naut

originally posted by: TheRedneck
a reply to: chr0naut

You once posted that you left loaded firearms within access of your children because you trusted them. Several ATS posters have already suggested prosecution of the parents for just such irresponsibility. Why should we consider what you did any differently?

Once? Try several times, including in this thread.

Wanna prosecute me for that? Go for it. I'm already old. Just take one piece of advice when you do:

Bring body bags. A lot of body bags. One for me; the rest for you.

Our conversation is over.

TheRedneck

What do you think reckless and dangerous would actually look like?

Say, werent you ready to force and die over forcibly jabbing everyone not long ago?

While also working and being paid as a govt propagandist?

originally posted by: AOx6179
This has to stop. Our children need help. They should be priority number 1.

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The police chief said there was an altercation between the teacher and the student, who had the firearm, and that a single round was fired.

Drew, who had earlier said the teacher was in critical condition, said Friday evening her injuries were considered life-threatening but that there was "some improvement in the last update that we got."

The article states that it was not an accidental shooting. But no details right now as to why he shot her. Or better yet, thought it was okay to shoot her.
I've seen far too many stories like this about our youth. These violent crimes keep happening and the kids involved keep getting younger and younger.

And no, I'm not posting this as an anti-gun campaign. I believe in our rights. If we argue over gun laws we will get lost in that and be misdirected from doing something about the mental state of our youth. I encourage you to look into all the teen on teen violent crimes going on everywhere.

We need to do something,anything, about this. And this definitely starts at home.

You encourage us to look into teen on teen violence.

Wrong argument for a 6 year old. Not a teen.

Different demographic. Different problem.

Don’t confuse the issue with stats from teens.

a reply to: RonnieJersey

The six-year-old gunman

The media are really going to have to update the AP stylebook these days.

Gunman? A Gunchild.

a reply to: RonnieJersey

Aye, she done her job and then some, i doff my cap.

They do say its a calling as opposed to simply a profession, teaching that is.

Anyhoo hope the brave lady makes a full recovery, and its a story she can tell her own grandchildren.

originally posted by: andy06shake
a reply to: RonnieJersey

If true that just confirms what most suspected, that being the gun originated from the parental home.

I wonder what she will be charged with, if indeed she is charged?

She should be facing some type of criminal charge, no?
Allowing a child access to a loaded gun is serious, and I hope that teacher will be all right.

a reply to: RonnieJersey

She should be facing some type of criminal charge, no?

Indeed, I'm just pondering which criminal charge.

The firearm seems to have been legally purchased so that rules out a few.

Allowing a child access to a loaded gun is serious, and I hope that teacher will be all right.

It's not apt to end well as incidents like this clearly illustrate.

Wee fellow is 6, by my guess, the only guns he should be playing with, able to access, or able to bring to school is a water pistol.

Parents, all parents, need to be responsible for the raising of their children, morally, spiritually and with responsibility of knowing right from wrong.

Don’t let TV, Xbox, PS5 and a cell phone raise your child. They will turn out hyper sexualized with no ambition beyond tomorrow and a slanted view on reality. Teach children proper gun control and usage if you plan on having them in the house.

Society and culture in America, and I don’t mean gun culture, create children with that will behave poorly. Throw in a sociopath or psychopathic problem at a young age that goes undetected and this becomes your next school shoot up.

Can a 6 year old even comprehend what they are doing when they shoot someone? What were the thoughts in their head leading up to that day? What made them think this was the solution? What were the factors involved…….I am sure the media will tell us the truth….yet another problem.