6 year old shoots his teacher

originally posted by: AOx6179
a reply to: tanstaafl

I think you took that wrong. It means it takes all of us to raise these children. It's a team effort. We all have our part in the future of this world and it's in ensuring our kids have proper guidance from all of us. "It takes a village to raise a child" (an old saying).

No, didn't take it wrong.

I and my wife are what it takes to raise out children. They aren't yours, and they aren't the State's.

originally posted by: NightSkyeB4Dawn
a reply to: tanstaafl

If one of my neighbors or any older person caught us doing something we had no business, we would pray they would just spank us and get it over with. Because if they told my Father, not just a spanking was coming, you would be given a chore punishment that would take days to complete.

If I found out anyone - one of my neighbors, a teacher, or best friend - spanked one of my kids without clearing it with me first, there would be hell to pay.

originally posted by: andy06shake
a reply to: tanstaafl

I think Police or social services may have inquired as to where the child got the gun by now.

Probably one of the first things they asked him.

Also, the fact that the kid somehow thought it would be ok to shoot his teacher certainly doesn't bode well as to his parents teaching him what's right or wrong now does it? No matter where the gun came from.

No, it doesn't. I've been waiting to hear about the location and the school... is this like an inner city school in the ghetto? Is the kid a welfare kid, no father in the house and a 'mother' that couldn't care less about her kids other than the meal ticket they provide for her?

originally posted by: tanstaafl

originally posted by: NightSkyeB4Dawn
a reply to: tanstaafl

If one of my neighbors or any older person caught us doing something we had no business, we would pray they would just spank us and get it over with. Because if they told my Father, not just a spanking was coming, you would be given a chore punishment that would take days to complete.

If I found out anyone - one of my neighbors, a teacher, or best friend - spanked one of my kids without clearing it with me first, there would be hell to pay.

I see your kid with a gun pointing it at mine and I hit him to make him drop it am I paying hell?

If I see your kid pointing a gun at himself I should mind my own business because I don’t want to pay hell?

Dangerous to use language like that.

originally posted by: tanstaafl

originally posted by: AOx6179
a reply to: tanstaafl

I think you took that wrong. It means it takes all of us to raise these children. It's a team effort. We all have our part in the future of this world and it's in ensuring our kids have proper guidance from all of us. "It takes a village to raise a child" (an old saying).

No, didn't take it wrong.

I and my wife are what it takes to raise out children. They aren't yours, and they aren't the State's.

A question: are you with your children 24/7? Everyone around your children will make a difference in your child's life. They will admire people other than you, look to other people than you, talk to other people than you, learn from other people than you. Do they not have teachers other than you? Do you provide your own healthcare? If youre the only voice in your child's life then how will they learn beyond.....you?

a reply to: tanstaafl

No, it doesn't. I've been waiting to hear about the location and the school... is this like an inner city school in the ghetto?

According to the NEWS articles, the school is called Richneck Elementary which is in Newport News, Virginia.

Is the kid a welfare kid, no father in the house and a 'mother' that couldn't care less about her kids other than the meal ticket they provide for her?

I'm not sure as to the building being located in a ghetto, or if the child is on welfare.

As to the state of the family unit, or the parent's presence in the little fellow's life, again not sure.

I think it's a safe bet the child has not had the best of upbringings thus far.

Considering he appeared to think it ok to shoot teachers and proceeded to do so, over what appears to be a simple disagreement with the lady.

Hence he has serious problems distinguishing what's right from wrong.

originally posted by: AOx6179

originally posted by: tanstaafl

originally posted by: AOx6179
a reply to: tanstaafl

I think you took that wrong. It means it takes all of us to raise these children. It's a team effort. We all have our part in the future of this world and it's in ensuring our kids have proper guidance from all of us. "It takes a village to raise a child" (an old saying).

No, didn't take it wrong.

I and my wife are what it takes to raise out children. They aren't yours, and they aren't the State's.

A question: are you with your children 24/7? Everyone around your children will make a difference in your child's life. They will admire people other than you, look to other people than you, admire other people than you, learn from other people than you. Do they not hq e teachers other than you? Do you provide your own healthcare? If youre the only voice in your child's life then how will they learn beyond.....you?

Every generation has their societal determined and accepted way of parenting. I would never tell a person how to raise their child. I am just happy that I am able to be there to pick up the pieces on that rare occasion that I am lucky enough to assist them after they have been traumatized. That number is increasing yearly.

I work with adults and adolescents that have been victims of trauma, rape, domestic violence, and intimate partner violence. We sometimes have cases that we share with Children and Family Services, and the Child Protection Team.

One thing that is shared with most parents, is that the first thing almost all of them say is, "It is not my child's fault." I agree with them.

Our new societal way of parenting is, that nothing is their child's fault. It is the parent's job to keep their child "happy". Their child should be able to have whatever they want, and if the parent can't give it to him, then whatever way they obtain it is fine, as long as no one hurts them when they steal from others. Their children are to be loved, revered, and respected, by everyone that lays eyes on them. Most of their children have no idea what those words really mean, therefore they will never respect themselves, and and will see almost everything and anyone that does not bring them pleasure, in the moment, as something that should be destroyed.

No one is supposed to say a word to their child. No one is to touch their child, and everyone else is responsible for their coming to harm. Except for the child, and the parent.

That is the parental norm for so many today. So my patient list just keeps getting longer.

originally posted by: NightSkyeB4Dawn

originally posted by: AOx6179

originally posted by: tanstaafl

originally posted by: AOx6179
a reply to: tanstaafl

I think you took that wrong. It means it takes all of us to raise these children. It's a team effort. We all have our part in the future of this world and it's in ensuring our kids have proper guidance from all of us. "It takes a village to raise a child" (an old saying).

No, didn't take it wrong.

I and my wife are what it takes to raise out children. They aren't yours, and they aren't the State's.

A question: are you with your children 24/7? Everyone around your children will make a difference in your child's life. They will admire people other than you, look to other people than you, admire other people than you, learn from other people than you. Do they not hq e teachers other than you? Do you provide your own healthcare? If youre the only voice in your child's life then how will they learn beyond.....you?

Every generation has their societal determined and accepted way of parenting. I would never tell a person how to raise their child. I am just happy that I am able to be there to pick up the pieces on that rare occasion that I am lucky enough to assist them after they have been traumatized. That number is increasing yearly.

I work with adults and adolescents that have been victims of trauma, rape, domestic violence, and intimate partner. violence. We sometimes have cases that we share with Children and Family Services, and the Child Protection Team.

One thing that is shared with most parents, is that the first thing almost all of them say is, "It is not my child's fault." I agree with them.

Our new societal way of parenting is, that nothing is their child's fault. It is the parent's job to keep their child "happy". Their child should be able to have whatever they want, and if the parent can't give it to him, then whatever way they obtain it is fine, as long as no one hurts them when they steal from others. Their children are to be loved, revered, and respected, by everyone that lays eyes on them. Most of their children have no idea what those words really mean, therefore they will never respect themselves, and and will see almost everything and anyone that does not bring them pleasure, in the moment, is to be destroyed.

No one is supposed to say a word to their child. No one is to touch their child, and everyone else is responsible for their coming to harm. Except for the child, and the parent.

That is the parental norm for so many today. So my patient list just keeps getting longer.

Nail on the head.

I would like to say that I also am not trying judge anyone as a parent. Its apparent that we need to discuss this collectively as parents. I just wanted to open that door.
This matters.

originally posted by: network dude

originally posted by: chr0naut

originally posted by: JinMI
a reply to: chr0naut

Yes, i know you dont like us having guns. And my answer is the same now as its always been.

I dont care.

Guns arent going away but we can do better with culture as well as education and training which Ive stood behind for years.

I am not advocating a blanket ban on all guns, for all people.

Clearly there are some firearms types that should be restricted (high capacity automatic and semi-automatic weapons).

And there are some people who should not be allowed to carry and use firearms (those dealing with psychological issues, and/or those with a felony, drug addiction, or previous firearm misuse on record).

so we should make some laws covering this type of thing? Why not just make it illegal to hurt other folks? Oh, we already have those laws in place. Why, it's almost as if the #ing CRIMINALS don't even care about the laws. That sure does put a wrinkle in your pontification.

Perhaps rather than coddle the criminals, we should prove that breaking our laws, results in real punishment and make it bad enough that nobody would risk the punishment, so they would refrain from doing the crime. But that makes the feel good liberals all giddy for the rights of the criminal. Well, I suppose we tried, On with the indiscriminate killing.

Perhaps one might start by registering firearms, licensing users, and ensuring that there is adequate training in firearm safety (with refresher courses every few years) without exception?

Suicides and accidents make up some significant portion of the firearms statistics. It isn't just about what criminals do.

And many criminals will continue in their preference to use forearms to commit crimes if firearms are highly available and unregulated.

originally posted by: tanstaafl

originally posted by: NightSkyeB4Dawn
a reply to: tanstaafl

If one of my neighbors or any older person caught us doing something we had no business, we would pray they would just spank us and get it over with. Because if they told my Father, not just a spanking was coming, you would be given a chore punishment that would take days to complete.

If I found out anyone - one of my neighbors, a teacher, or best friend - spanked one of my kids without clearing it with me first, there would be hell to pay.

Although I disagree with the unapproved applying corporal punishment, what if they were taking urgent action to prevent loss of life?

originally posted by: chr0naut

originally posted by: network dude

originally posted by: chr0naut

originally posted by: JinMI
a reply to: chr0naut

Yes, i know you dont like us having guns. And my answer is the same now as its always been.

I dont care.

Guns arent going away but we can do better with culture as well as education and training which Ive stood behind for years.

I am not advocating a blanket ban on all guns, for all people.

Clearly there are some firearms types that should be restricted (high capacity automatic and semi-automatic weapons).

And there are some people who should not be allowed to carry and use firearms (those dealing with psychological issues, and/or those with a felony, drug addiction, or previous firearm misuse on record).

so we should make some laws covering this type of thing? Why not just make it illegal to hurt other folks? Oh, we already have those laws in place. Why, it's almost as if the #ing CRIMINALS don't even care about the laws. That sure does put a wrinkle in your pontification.

Perhaps rather than coddle the criminals, we should prove that breaking our laws, results in real punishment and make it bad enough that nobody would risk the punishment, so they would refrain from doing the crime. But that makes the feel good liberals all giddy for the rights of the criminal. Well, I suppose we tried, On with the indiscriminate killing.

Perhaps one might start by registering firearms, licensing users, and ensuring that there is adequate training in firearm safety (with refresher courses every few years) without exception?

Suicides and accidents make up some significant portion of the firearms statistics. It isn't just about what criminals do.

And many criminals will continue in their preference to use forearms to commit crimes if firearms are highly available and unregulated.

I am failing to understand what you are trying to say.

This was neither a suicide or an accident...so that statistic is what? A firearms statistic (statistics are made up numbers anyway)?

Who was the criminal in this story? I have yet to read about that person!

So if firearms are unregulated and highly available criminals prefer using their forearms? Am I reading that right?

Should this 6 year old have taken a course in firearm safety? Registered the firearm? I don't understand who your talking about here.

I feel like I'm having a stroke trying to understand your point! Are you being sarcastic?

originally posted by: chr0naut

originally posted by: tanstaafl

originally posted by: NightSkyeB4Dawn
a reply to: tanstaafl

If one of my neighbors or any older person caught us doing something we had no business, we would pray they would just spank us and get it over with. Because if they told my Father, not just a spanking was coming, you would be given a chore punishment that would take days to complete.

If I found out anyone - one of my neighbors, a teacher, or best friend - spanked one of my kids without clearing it with me first, there would be hell to pay.

Although I disagree with the unapproved applying corporal punishment, what if they were taking urgent action to prevent loss of life?

Spanking to prevent loss of life? Are you serious?

I can't even imagine a scenario where spanking anyone would prevent loss of life!

I blame the mind manipulation!
The TV show you things like this all the time.
monkey see monkey do!
And this is some thing the Goverment IS Doing to us.

They are playing the Long game.

The week before 911 attack It was on a TV show.
then some terroists do it...

a reply to: andy06shake

Every six-year-old has trouble distinguishing right from wrong. That's what parents and mentors are for: to teach them.

I'll agree that this child wasn't using the best of reasoning, but that's what one should expect from someone that young. I can't blame the parents for failing to teach right from wrong until I know more about the parents/home life. I will also say, to those who like to use hyperbole (not you... talking about "it takes a good six-year-old with a gun to stop a bad six-year-old with a gun" a few pages back) that this is the very reason no child that young should ever be in control of a firearm except under direct, continuous, responsible adult supervision. However they got the gun that would seem to be the biggest problem to be addressed... if from home, that shows a major home problem (why were they permitted to access the guns unsupervised; how did they manage to sneak a gun out of the house); if from a friend, that friend needs to be in as much trouble; if from another adult, that other adult needs to be strung up by their... OK, will stop there. Y'all all get the idea, I'm sure. Think WWI torture on steroids.

TheRedneck

a reply to: chr0naut

Perhaps one might start by registering firearms, licensing users, and ensuring that there is adequate training in firearm safety (with refresher courses every few years) without exception?

Pick one. You don't get to have your cake and eat it too.

When society demonizes firearms by making it so damn difficult to own and practice with one, one also prevents firearm education. That's what we have been doing, and we are seeing the results. So we get to choose whether we will restrict ownership and proper usage of the gun, or if we will educate society in the proper and safe use of a firearm. One or the other.

I choose education. It worked for quite a while.

Suicides and accidents make up some significant portion of the firearms statistics. It isn't just about what criminals do.

Suicidal people will make suicide attempts whether they have access to a gun or not. The number of ways to kill the human body is practically infinite.

Accidents will happen as long as people are careless, be it with guns, cars, chainsaws, nail guns... heck I still have a scarred thumbnail from being careless with a utility knife 40+ years ago! The best way to prevent accidents is with proper training... see above.

And many criminals will continue in their preference to use forearms to commit crimes if firearms are highly available and unregulated.

So you want to outlaw machine tools too? Any hobbyist, garage machinist can make a gun.

Criminals will continue to have guns no matter how tightly they are regulated. Criminals do not obey laws; they do what they want. That's why they are criminals.

TheRedneck

a reply to: TheRedneck

I would imagine in this instance TheRedneck we are not that far off the same page.

Further information is indeed required as to the child's home life, and upbringing, before any definitive conclusions can be drawn.

As to where he got the weapon, that does indeed have to be estabished.

If an adult, or another child, willingly gave him the gun, that needs to be determined and appropriate action taken.

Chances are he has simply removed it from somewhere that was not locked or secure after all who in their correct mind would give a gun or allow a 6-year-old to take it to school?

Like i suggest all the same it will be one of the first things the boy was asked, and i don't see him holding out too long or withholding information very well.

After all he is probably in the most amount of trouble he has ever found himself in his short life, and 6-year-olds have been known to be rather loquacious.

a reply to: andy06shake

I would imagine in this instance TheRedneck we are not that far off the same page.

I have a feeling you are correct. I just wanted to point out the futility of expecting a 6-year-old to know right from wrong.

In the end, this is a tragedy from any perspective, brought on IMO by the practices of modern society. We do desperately need to throttle back the number of shootings in society, but I fear the only realistic course of action is one we will never take: simple morality teachings and firearm education for all from a young age. We're too busy and it's too much trouble.

TheRedneck

originally posted by: TheRedneck
a reply to: andy06shake

I would imagine in this instance TheRedneck we are not that far off the same page.

I have a feeling you are correct. I just wanted to point out the futility of expecting a 6-year-old to know right from wrong.

In the end, this is a tragedy from any perspective, brought on IMO by the practices of modern society. We do desperately need to throttle back the number of shootings in society, but I fear the only realistic course of action is one we will never take: simple morality teachings and firearm education for all from a young age. We're too busy and it's too much trouble.

TheRedneck

I think we should start with personal responsibility.

But it falls right in with the other two actions you suggested, it to is something that will never happen.

This is the result of the rap culture, no real parent around just the gang thug boyfriend with the welfare momma. Check the ballistics on the gun to see if it matches other crimes.

Hope they bring real serious charges for the negligent parents

a reply to: ATSAlex

I'm not sure about blaming music ATSAlex.

Now if you are correct about the gang thug boyfriend, then the little fellow's actions may simply be down to monkey see, monkey do, because that's what 6 years olds do, that being an attempt to copy and/or parody the actions of the adults/authority figures in their life.

As to Police checking the ballistics on the gun to see if it matches other crimes, i would have thought that to be standard practice, especially so if it turns out to be an unregistered firearm.

Chances are through Police or social services have already established where the weapon came from.