Putin orders Russian army to observe 36-hour ceasefire.

a reply to: CriticalStinker


Ummm...we're talking Russia...right...not the USSR...?

If we're using the way backs for conversation points...in the way backs The us interred the entire Japanese American population during WWII...placed them in concentration camps...

Most recently...the US government jailed people who were walked through the Capital by the capital police...and then placed them in solitary for over a year without due process...

The reason that Ukraine hasn't capitulated is because the entirety of NATO has been pumping them with arms and ammunition...to the tune of over a hundred billion dollars...

Also...Boris Johnson

The news highlights the impact of former British Prime Minister Boris Johnson’s efforts to stop negotiations, as journalist Branko Marcetic noted on Twitter. The decision to scuttle the deal coincided with Johnson’s April visit to Kyiv, during which he reportedly urged Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky to break off talks with Russia for two key reasons: Putin cannot be negotiated with, and the West isn’t ready for the war to end.

"The west isn't ready for the war to end"...

Has nothing to do with them not liking Russia...obviously a great deal of Russian Ukrainians like Russia as evidenced by 5 territories voting to join the Russian federation...



YouSir

originally posted by: YouSir

originally posted by: ScepticScot
a reply to: YouSir

Russia has had, by far, the largest drop in GDP of any OECD country.

I won't even bother asking for a source for your claim of trade quadrupling between Russia and Europe.

Ummm...European trade

More trade

Even more trade

GDP

More GDP


So...there is that...

YouSir

Are you aware that your links don't back up your claims?

a reply to: YouSir

Ummm...we're talking Russia...right...not the USSR...?

I think it’s fair to say current Russia is former Soviet Union. Putin was KGB for said force, and still has a romantic memory of the USSR. So it’s not a stretch to say much of the sentiment and culture carried over

If we're using the way backs for conversation points...in the way backs The us interred the entire Japanese American population during WWII...placed them in concentration camps...

Yea. That was horrible.

Most recently...the US government jailed people who were walked through the Capital by the capital police...and then placed them in solitary for over a year without due process...

Yea, many of them unfairly got the book thrown at them. And our Justice system could use a serious overhaul as we do like to jail people for a lot of victimless crime.

But if you know how to be discreet, you can even do illegal stuff like smoke without fear of being jailed. A lot of people are just careless and put themselves into bad situations. I’d say rushing a government building while it’s in session isn’t the smartest thing to do, even if I think the punishment is harsh, they were adults who knew what they were doing.

I’ve pushed the boundaries of speech many a time and gotten no serious punishment for such. But I won’t go to the hood and scream a hard R, and I won’t rush a government building with a whole bunch of politically charged people. Part of that needs to be addressed on a state level, and those people need to take a certain amount of personal responsibility.

The west isn't ready for the war to end"...

I don’t think it’s a secret Ukraine is being used as proxy. And if everyone is being honest they better reconcile that real probability while discussing the issue.

Ukraine is taking advantage of that aim to get support.

And Russia willingly throws tens of thousands into the meat grinder for some chunks of land. Because if it was the people they were “saving” they could just print them some passports and have them step across the border and be done with it.

If Russia really had more grand of an ambition, I’d venture they could muster up some more friends than Belarus and Iran.

Because at the end of the day if we look at the players, Russia has Iran, Belarus, Transnistria, and China when it’s convenient for them which has so far been buying discounted oil. Not really the freedom squad.

I can still buy and trade almost any asset and commodity on the planet, say almost wherever I want about whomever I want, pick from a slew of safe places to live in my country and easily afford shelter, utilities, a car, internet and cell phone with a little left over. It’s not so bad over here, my flavor of politics isn’t in power, but it never has been so I’m used to it.

a reply to: ufoorbhunter

It's beyond me how Putin expects to conscript that kind of number of people, never mind train them as any sort of proficient fighting force in such a short span of time.

Especially so given the number of people that have already chosen to flee the country rather than become Russian cannon fodder in Putin's ""special military operation"" in Ukraine.

If they tried that here i don't imagine many people would bother to show.

Imagine going to fight your nearest neighbors because Rishi Sunak told you so. LoL

I think Putin is apt to end up pissing off the wrong sort of person or people within his own ranks and either he gets shot in the head or blown to smithereens.

Probably end up with someone the same to similar or worse, but Putin just is not making much sense, and i think at some point in the not too distant that's going to cost him more than just an arm and a leg.

He's a dangerous bastard and then some, and he refuses to see sense or back down.

a reply to: YouSir

Point of order...

I am nitpicking absolutely.

If we're using the way backs for conversation points...in the way backs The us interred the entire Japanese American population during WWII...placed them in concentration camps...

Detention camp would be a more accurate description for what happened, and yes it was wrong to a great degree.

But concentration camp implies what the Nazi's did, which unless there is a conspiracy I havent heard about around this the US didnt try to exterminate them.

originally posted by: YouSir
a reply to: CriticalStinker

Has nothing to do with them not liking Russia...obviously a great deal of Russian Ukrainians like Russia as evidenced by 5 territories voting to join the Russian federation...

Have you already forgotten that those votes were fake and botched?

originally posted by: andy06shake
a reply to: lostgirl

And why can't the articles all be "Russian propaganda" considering who publishes the articles?

Well, apparently, you were in such a hurry to cry, "Propaganda" that you didn't bother to even sample any of the articles for yourself...
Why don't you do a search on the credentials of the "Strategic Culture" authors I listed, and post evidence of their 'supposed' authorship of Russian propaganda?

And as well...In point of fact, most of the other alternate news journals I linked are European (Consortium News) or U.S. (Anti War.com, Scheer Post) based, and their articles on Ukraine are very different than the mainstream 'narrative', and also 'not' Russian propaganda.

Also do you have any sorts of actual evidence that the CIA orchestrated a coup in Ukraine back in 2014, as is stated in the article you linked?

Link to video evidence USA backed coup

A video of a leaked conversation between then Assistant Secretary of State Victoria Nuland and the then U.S. ambassador to Ukraine, Geoffrey Pyatt, which had been removed from YouTube, has been restored.

In the video, the two discuss changing the Ukrainian government weeks before the democratically-elected President Viktor Yanukovych was violently driven from power.

Link to history of CIA influence in Ukraine

Here's a link to more pertinent Ukraine history: Lead up to Ukraine war

Author's credentials:

Jacques Baud is a former colonel of the General Staff, ex-member of the Swiss strategic intelligence, specialist on Eastern countries. He was trained in the American and British intelligence services. He has served as Policy Chief for United Nations Peace Operations. As a UN expert on rule of law and security institutions, he designed and led the first multidimensional UN intelligence unit in the Sudan. He has worked for the African Union and was for 5 years responsible for the fight, at NATO, against the proliferation of small arms. He was involved in discussions with the highest Russian military and intelligence officials just after the fall of the USSR. Within NATO, he followed the 2014 Ukrainian crisis and later participated in programs to assist the Ukraine. He is the author of several books on intelligence, war and terrorism, in particular Le Détournement published by SIGEST, Gouverner par les fake news, L’affaire Navalny. His latest book is Poutine, maître du jeu? published by Max Milo.

If you want to know the actual truth - you really do have to find sources outside the mainstream media -

- the link above is to "The Postil Magazine", take a look at their homepage and you'll see they are in no way 'propaganda'...

....or prove me wrong!!!!

a reply to: lostgirl

Well, apparently, you were in such a hurry to cry, "Propaganda" that you didn't bother to even sample any of the articles for yourself...

I read the initial Russian propaganda piece you presented, the rest of the articles did not interest me.

Why don't you do a search on the credentials of the "Strategic Culture" authors I listed, and post evidence of their 'supposed' authorship of Russian propaganda?

No thank you. Its plain as day that the article you presented comes from "The Strategic Culture Foundation" which is responsible for the publication.

And what they are is also plain as day, that being a Russian think tank based in Moscow.

And as well...In point of fact, most of the other alternate news journals I linked are European (Consortium News) or U.S. (Anti War.com, Scheer Post) based, and their articles on Ukraine are very different than the mainstream 'narrative', and also 'not' Russian propaganda.

Nobody is in their right mind is willing to read the numerous different articles you also reference when the first one was sad enough.

See your main dilemma is those ""alternative NEWS"" sources you place so much stock in seem to be laden with ""alternative facts"" aka falsity and hyperbole.

Have to say also, that's not conclusive evidence you have presented, by way of proof the CIA orchestrated a coup in Ukraine back in 2014, but a simple news article with an accompanying 5-minute video.

What's next Ukrainian bioweapons labs and other such nonsense? LoL

If you want to know the actual truth - you really do have to find sources outside the mainstream media -

Your spurious anti-Ukrainian Russian supporting nonsense doesn't constitute truth, the crap you are punting is pretty much opinion pieces in support of Russia, good luck with that.

the link above is to "The Postil Magazine", take a look at their homepage and you'll see they are in no way 'propaganda'...

No thank you I'm not interested in classical humanism, rooted in faith, just Russia going back home and leaving Ukraine in peace.

or prove me wrong!!!!

You already are wrong, you prove yourself to be so with the guff you are attempting to punt aka opinion pieces published by Moscow think tanks for a start.

Same with Putin's Russian Federation forces who are in the ""wrong"" postcode, invading their neighbors, after repeatedly telling porkies.

About mere military operations/exercises on the border of Ukraine, being nothing to be concerned with, and then going on to invade the place under the guise of hunt the nazi.

Anything else after that, which is not a complete and utter immediate unconditional Russian surrender.

And a return of the occupying forces back across the Russian border.

Followed by a sincere apology to Ukraine, never mind the rest of the world.

Plus a promise never to do anything like Putin's ""special military operation"" again ratified via an ironclad treaty is beside the point.

Freedom to Ukraine and down with Putin's most heinous invasion.

Have a nice day.

a reply to: Cutepants

How Putin and his invasion forces, managed to hold free and fair referendums, in only half-occupied territories, where his forces only hold partial sway, is indeed one of life's great mysteries.

One would imagine the logistics of doing so to be quite frankly impossible.

Hence the condemnation from the UN, and the fact that so few nations choose to recognise these territories as being part of the Russian Federation.

Plain to the entire planet that Putin's sham referendums were exactly that hence in no way binding.

His plan was simply to move the goalposts by my guess, same as always.

The thing is he's running out of pitch, as the days go on.

originally posted by: andy06shake
a reply to: ufoorbhunter


If they tried that here i don't imagine many people would bother to show.

Imagine going to fight your nearest neighbors because Rishi Sunak told you so. LoL

I think Putin is apt to end up pissing off the wrong sort of person or people within his own ranks and either he gets shot in the head or blown to smithereens.

Probably end up with someone the same to similar or worse, but Putin just is not making much sense, and i think at some point in the not too distant that's going to cost him more than just an arm and a leg.

He's a dangerous bastard and then some, and he refuses to see sense or back down.

If Rishi asked me to show up mate I'd tell him to jump. No way would I fight an unjust war.

On getting rid of Putin well that is going to be a little tricky. There was a chap on TV some Ruskie who said Putin is in complete control of everything going on in Russia. He stated that even in the bad old days of the Cold War, Gorby, Brezhnev and the like still had to answer to something like the Commisars, Polit Beuro or something like, basically they had to answer to someone and that balanced things out a little rationally. Putin he stated answers to nobody! Total control of Russia and all its mechanics. Pretty much unchallengeable. Scary stuff!

a reply to: ufoorbhunter

If Rishi asked me to show up mate I'd tell him to jump. No way would I fight an unjust war.

No way i would fight in any war unless it was to defend my own nation, especially not for the likes of Rishi Sunak and his banker chums.

For a start look at the state of some of the poor sods that go off to fight, that return in pieces(if they are lucky), both mentally and physically, who cannot even get afforded the simple common courtesy of a council house.

The poor souls canny even get decent prosthetic limbs, or the much-needed mental health care some require, for their troubles and the service that they gave.

That's how we treat our war veterans, i can only imagine what it must be like in Russia.

As to getting rid of Putin, it's a doozy of a problem, because he is entrenched and surrounded by sycophants, yes men, and die-hard followers.

And he does indeed seem to answer to nobody but himself.

a reply to: YouSir

I've read thousands of your posts over the years and don't always agree with what you say but that post, I agree 100%.

That illusion of grandeur is dangerous for the American people and the rest of the West.

a reply to: andy06shake

Putin, Sunak, Biden, Trudeau, Macron, Xi etc etc...

It doesn't matter which country we live in, they're all globalist tools.

a reply to: Wide-Eyes

Very true Wide-Eyes.

But we do all live on the same globe.

With our respective nations interconnected at all sorts of different levels and dependent on one another for various different products, services and trade.

We are already a global economy and connected at the hip.

We need to come together as one, and stop squabbling over ever-diminishing resources, petty religious indifference, and imaginary lines on a map.

But it needs to be for the correct reasons as opposed to the banker's or 1%er's reasons.

Because if we don't, it will all end in tears at some point, whether or not it's with a bang or a whimper, the cards will fall unless we build a better house, and start trying exist together in peace.

Humanity won't end but society and progress sure will, at least for another few thousand years, until be pull ourselves back up once again and decide to repeat the same mistakes we make today.

Think where we could be with a couple of 1000 years of peace on Earth as opposed to constantly warring with one another, and the things our race could have achieved should we put our mind to it.

We could have colonized the Moon by now, maybe even Mars or the outer Moons of Saturn and Jupiter.

But no, here we are, still stuck at the arse end of our star's gravity, well pointing Nukes at one another and playing its a M.A.D world.

a reply to: andy06shake

I’m listening to Joe Rogans Podcast with Peter now.

Wow.

His world views and predictions are so different than anything I’ve heard for some time.

Nothing sticks out as being wrong. But it’s going to take me some time to look into some of his claims before I take them to heart.

a reply to: CriticalStinker



Gay demons!

And they ran with it.

That's a new one to me.

I did hear something about Russian troopers being fed lies that they were fighting Poland all the same.

But gay demons, i mean if the Russian troops actually choose to believe such nonsense what else are they willing to swallow?

originally posted by: andy06shake
As to getting rid of Putin, it's a doozy of a problem, because he is entrenched and surrounded by sycophants, yes men, and die-hard followers.

No real problem seeing what would happen, just go back to the dying days of Stalin... there will be assassinations, backdoor alliances, lies, murder, backstabbing you name it... its the ruZZian way.

Although unlike Stalin laying on his floor in his room #ting himself as he dies while armed guards stand outside stopping anyone from getting in due to his paranoia... putler will probably be still alive when it all happens (hopefully), his ultra right supporters are already baying menacingly in his direction and have been for a few months. When you make your empire out of the help of criminals and murderers... theres a good chance those same people will end your empire and you along with it.

Oh what id give to be a fly on the wall over there...

a reply to: BigfootNZ

Putler

That's a dillion.

Aye, i would not mind being a fly on that wall nether when he finally gets his comeuppance and just deserts.

originally posted by: lostgirl
originally posted by: andy06shake
a reply to: lostgirl

And why can't the articles all be "Russian propaganda" considering who publishes the articles?

Well, apparently, you were in such a hurry to cry, "Propaganda" that you didn't bother to even sample any of the articles for yourself...
Why don't you do a search on the credentials of the "Strategic Culture" authors I listed, and post evidence of their 'supposed' authorship of Russian propaganda?

And as well...In point of fact, most of the other alternate news journals I linked are European (Consortium News) or U.S. (Anti War.com, Scheer Post) based, and their articles on Ukraine are very different than the mainstream 'narrative', and also 'not' Russian propaganda.

Also do you have any sorts of actual evidence that the CIA orchestrated a coup in Ukraine back in 2014, as is stated in the article you linked?

Link to video evidence USA backed coup

A video of a leaked conversation between then Assistant Secretary of State Victoria Nuland and the then U.S. ambassador to Ukraine, Geoffrey Pyatt, which had been removed from YouTube, has been restored.

In the video, the two discuss changing the Ukrainian government weeks before the democratically-elected President Viktor Yanukovych was violently driven from power.

Link to history of CIA influence in Ukraine

Here's a link to more pertinent Ukraine history: Lead up to Ukraine war

Author's credentials:

Jacques Baud is a former colonel of the General Staff, ex-member of the Swiss strategic intelligence, specialist on Eastern countries. He was trained in the American and British intelligence services. He has served as Policy Chief for United Nations Peace Operations. As a UN expert on rule of law and security institutions, he designed and led the first multidimensional UN intelligence unit in the Sudan. He has worked for the African Union and was for 5 years responsible for the fight, at NATO, against the proliferation of small arms. He was involved in discussions with the highest Russian military and intelligence officials just after the fall of the USSR. Within NATO, he followed the 2014 Ukrainian crisis and later participated in programs to assist the Ukraine. He is the author of several books on intelligence, war and terrorism, in particular Le Détournement published by SIGEST, Gouverner par les fake news, L’affaire Navalny. His latest book is Poutine, maître du jeu? published by Max Milo.

If you want to know the actual truth - you really do have to find sources outside the mainstream media -

- the link above is to "The Postil Magazine", take a look at their homepage and you'll see they are in no way 'propaganda'...

....or prove me wrong!!!!

Troll aha