Another global wave of lockdowns coming early 2023?

originally posted by: Asmodeus3
The only way to get good immunity in the population in every country in the world is through exposure to the virus. The sooner this is understood the better it would be and the long term consequences far less in comparison to non exposure, lockdowns, restrictions, crippled vaccinations and the rest.

That's the case since the beginning of the pandemic.

The problem comes when you get to the people for whom exposure is dangerous. Such as the elderly or the obese. This is where vaxxing is essential. The risk of harm form the vax for someone with diabetes, for example, is a fraction of the risk for covid.

You also need to bear in mind that in order to get herd immunity through natural exposure you'd need to infect at least 80 percent of the population. This could take the best part of a decade.

originally posted by: Asmodeus3
The only way to get good immunity in the population in every country in the world is through exposure to the virus. The sooner this is understood the better it would be and the long term consequences far less in comparison to non exposure, lockdowns, restrictions, crippled vaccinations and the rest.

That's the case since the beginning of the pandemic.

The problem comes when you get to the people for whom exposure is dangerous. Such as the elderly or the obese. This is where vaxxing is essential. The risk of harm form the vax for someone with diabetes, for example, is a fraction of the risk for covid.

You also need to bear in mind that in order to get herd immunity through natural exposure you'd need to infect at least 80 percent of the population. This could take the best part of a decade.

Some weird research conclusions coming out. It does seem somewhat reasonable.

www.eurekalert.org...

www.eurekalert.org...

Maybe the second link might work, even though it is the same. Both open for me because I have already viewed it.

Yes I am aware. Sorry used sick a general term for contracting an illness.

a reply to: NightSkyeB4Dawn

originally posted by: McGinty
a reply to: network dude

And thank god Putin has decided pull out of Ukraine and donate his offshore trillions to rebuilding it.

Thank god Biden has had his name and address tattooed on his butt in case he gets lost on the way from the door to the desk.

Thank god Gates has given all the farms he bought back to the farmers free of charge.

And thank god the U.K. finally has a PM who isn’t a greedy, ambitious, out of touch bampot. Thank god!
🍻

So many people now do not believe in God (aka imaginary sky fairy, mythical grandpa in the sky, etc.) so He isn't really obligated to do anything for them, unless He wanted to for some reason.

originally posted by: AaarghZombies

originally posted by: Asmodeus3
The only way to get good immunity in the population in every country in the world is through exposure to the virus. The sooner this is understood the better it would be and the long term consequences far less in comparison to non exposure, lockdowns, restrictions, crippled vaccinations and the rest.

That's the case since the beginning of the pandemic.

The problem comes when you get to the people for whom exposure is dangerous. Such as the elderly or the obese. This is where vaxxing is essential. The risk of harm form the vax for someone with diabetes, for example, is a fraction of the risk for covid.

You also need to bear in mind that in order to get herd immunity through natural exposure you'd need to infect at least 80 percent of the population. This could take the best part of a decade.

We have already discussed that there is no herd immunity when you dealing with rapidly evolving viruses and vaccines that cannot prevent transmission or infection.

Did you forget the numerous sources that I have provided? And if you don't want to refer to the sources don't you use common sense?

Regardless of your 'calculations' of a decade of exposure before 80% of the population has been infected (which are obviously false), don't you think that after 3 years of exposure most of the people have been infected?



pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov...

Conclusions: All systematic evaluations of seroprevalence data converge that SARS-CoV-2 infection is widely spread globally. Acknowledging residual uncertainties, the available evidence suggests average global IFR of ~0.15% and ~1.5-2.0 billion infections by February 2021 with substantial differences in IFR and in infection spread across continents, countries and locations.

As you can see in February of 2021 we had around 1.5 to 2 billion people infected. After almost two years we can assume that almost everyone on earth has come contact with the virus and has been infected. Especially when new variants are highly transmissible and infectious.


There is no herd immunity. Forget about this story.

www.infectioncontroltoday.com...

Those Who Believe in Herd Immunity Cannot Do the Math.

COVID-19 mutations are evading our immunity and at the same time our immunity is waning. Herd immunity to disease and the eradication of SARS-CoV-2 is no longer possible.

www.businessinsider.com...

The developer of the AstraZeneca shot says the Delta variant has made herd immunity impossible because vaccinated people can still transmit the virus

Also are you from the UK?

www.theguardian.com...

Herd immunity now seems impossible. Welcome to the age of Covid reinfection

a reply to: rickymouse
I clicked on the link at the Eurekalert page to view the paper… I got a 404.

originally posted by: AaarghZombies
a reply to: tanstaafl
Which makes it even more ridiculous to suggest that big pharma and the government were in this together.

Not if you step back, and rethink everything you think you know, and finally understand the true agenda.

The USA has been the one, huge stumbling block to the efforts of those wanting to usher in their glorious 'New World Order', which, basically, is just a world of, by and for the elites, keeping just enough of us paeans around to do the dirty work.

originally posted by: AaarghZombies
a reply to: Asmodeus3
The problem comes when you get to the people for whom exposure is dangerous. Such as the elderly or the obese. This is where vaxxing is essential. The risk of harm form the vax for someone with diabetes, for example, is a fraction of the risk for covid.

Not if you take a step back, stop listening to politicians, and listen to real Doctors who actually care about their pateints - like those with the FLCCC, who not only never lost a single patient (that actually followed their protocols) during the entire pandemic, the vast majority never even went into the death houses hospitals..

You also need to bear in mind that in order to get herd immunity through natural exposure you'd need to infect at least 80 percent of the population. This could take the best part of a decade.

So what? With proper treatment - especially pre-care (like taking D3, NAC, etc) - no one dies (well, far fewer than even die from the flu every year).

Way, way better than destroying the world economy which also is responsible for murdering untold millions.

originally posted by: butcherguy
a reply to: rickymouse
I clicked on the link at the Eurekalert page to view the paper… I got a 404.

I got that originally when I clicked on a link from a guy who does medical research too. So I tracked down the article and copied the link...it worked for me when I verified it worked in the post, but maybe that is because I already had another tab with it open. I do not know why that happens with some links if the links seem to show that the government or health agency made mistakes I notice it doesn't work well to be linked on a page. It is like some program is causing the links to not work if it is to a link that is against the narrative they want us to believe in.

The new normal or the normal normal?

a reply to: AaarghZombies

originally posted by: AaarghZombies
a reply to: putnam6

age isn't a factor but it isn't the only one and it isn't likely to be the most important one either, At least statistically it doesn't seem to be.

In the US, the biggest risk factors other than age are obesity, hyper tension, diabetes, and heart disease.

This isn't really my field, but I do know that Japan has significant problems with hypertension, as well as notable issues with heart disease. There are complex reasons why, but the TLDR version is high stress levels, smoking, and high sodium intake through high sodium soy sauce being in almost everything.

Link

So again Japan didn't have any of those problems till February 2022. For such an old and unhealthy country how did they dodge the COVID bullet till now? Respectfully they are 140th COVID deaths per million. That's about 12 times less than the leading country Peru.




Again no other country continues to have such high compliance with vaccine boosters as Japan does.

www.nytimes.com...

a reply to: Asmodeus3

We have already discussed that there is no herd immunity when you dealing with rapidly evolving viruses and vaccines that cannot prevent transmission or infection.

And I've already debunked that because herd immunity doesn't mean 100 percent resistance, it means that individuals have sufficient immunity to render covid to the level of a nuisance.

Did you forget the numerous sources that I have provided? And if you don't want to refer to the sources don't you use common sense?

Which were either wrong, or which you misrepresented. As demonstrated by your repeated assertion that the vax doesn't "prevent" transmission", when it was never designed to do that in the first place. The vax is designed to reduce the length and severity of infection. Covid is a respiratory virus, you're not going to prevent transmission with a vaccination because you can infect people if you're merely contaminated with the virus.

Also are you from the UK?

Because my constant references to having spent my youth living under communism scream that I was born in a capitalist western democracy?

a reply to: McGinty

I know they'll probably attempt lockdowns, again.

And just like last time, some of us will ignore them, again.

originally posted by: AaarghZombies
a reply to: Asmodeus3

We have already discussed that there is no herd immunity when you dealing with rapidly evolving viruses and vaccines that cannot prevent transmission or infection.

And I've already debunked that because herd immunity doesn't mean 100 percent resistance, it means that individuals have sufficient immunity to render covid to the level of a nuisance.

Did you forget the numerous sources that I have provided? And if you don't want to refer to the sources don't you use common sense?

Which were either wrong, or which you misrepresented. As demonstrated by your repeated assertion that the vax doesn't "prevent" transmission", when it was never designed to do that in the first place. The vax is designed to reduce the length and severity of infection. Covid is a respiratory virus, you're not going to prevent transmission with a vaccination because you can infect people if you're merely contaminated with the virus.

Also are you from the UK?

Because my constant references to having spent my youth living under communism scream that I was born in a capitalist western democracy?

I think it's getting increasingly embarrassing when one sticks to an idea or claim which is no longer believed to be true and has been shown not to be true by all sides who are involved into this matter. Almost everyone has accepted there is no herd immunity against SARS-CoV-2 and its emerging variants.

You have claimed there is herd immunity or herd immunity can be achieved (depending on the conversation) and that you have 'debunked' the fact that there is no herd immunity against SARS-CoV-2.

I don't know whether you live in a state of denial or you can't accept you are wrong and that's not true.

You can find numerous sources if you don't want to use common sense. Both from the mainstream and outside the mainstream.

From my sources a few posts back

Those Who Believe in Herd Immunity Cannot Do the Math.

COVID-19 mutations are evading our immunity and at the same time our immunity is waning. Herd immunity to disease and the eradication of SARS-CoV-2 is no longer possible.

The developer of the AstraZeneca shot says the Delta variant has made herd immunity impossible because vaccinated people can still transmit the virus

Herd immunity now seems impossible. Welcome to the age of Covid reinfection

Either you don't understand what herd immunity is or you do and you want to peddle a debunked part of the narrative. This was part of the narrative to convince as many as possible to get vaccinated: Contributing towards herd immunity.

a reply to: McGinty

just in time for that mutant strain created in virginia,
fuzing the most virulent strain with the deadliest one ..
EVENT 201 and eugenics

Well, would you looky here! The heart problems many vaccinated people have experienced aren't caused by the shot after all, but 'artificial sweeteners'!! So, get your booster! And stop using artificial sweeteners; trust the science!!



Artificial Sweeteners Behind Spike in Sudden Deaths, Heart Attacks, ‘Experts’ Claim
[slaynews.com...]

It's like we started keeping track of the cold and locking down over the cold season. Damn people are so stupid.

originally posted by: nugget1
Well, would you looky here! The heart problems many vaccinated people have experienced aren't caused by the shot after all, but 'artificial sweeteners'!! So, get your booster! And stop using artificial sweeteners; trust the science!!

Artificial Sweeteners Behind Spike in Sudden Deaths, Heart Attacks, ‘Experts’ Claim
[slaynews.com...]

Maybe they should look at what changes they have made in the formula for artificial sweeteners.

If no changes have been made, then they need to explain why these side effects have not been identified before.

originally posted by: NightSkyeB4Dawn

originally posted by: nugget1
Well, would you looky here! The heart problems many vaccinated people have experienced aren't caused by the shot after all, but 'artificial sweeteners'!! So, get your booster! And stop using artificial sweeteners; trust the science!!

Artificial Sweeteners Behind Spike in Sudden Deaths, Heart Attacks, ‘Experts’ Claim
[slaynews.com...]

Maybe they should look at what changes they have made in the formula for artificial sweeteners.

If no changes have been made, then they need to explain why these side effects have not been identified before.

I think for those who 'trust the science' they'll be coming up with a lot of causes-other than the vaccine-for why sp many medical problems that have skyrocketed since vaxxing.

I don't know how they can continue with the 'safe and effective' narrative, but have all the confidence in the world they'll figure out a way.