Sudden Deaths More Than Double In Germany

originally posted by: ScepticScot
a reply to: Asmodeus3

Please provide a source for your claim that prevention of transmission was a requirement.

Phase 3
Clinical trials include many thousands of participants. They aim to test whether a vaccine is effective in preventing people from getting the disease – in this case COVID-19. Phase 3 trials also thoroughly assess the vaccine for safety and side effects.

Prevention of transmission is always an integral part of the vaccine trials.

You need to stop engaging in vaccine apologetics.

originally posted by: Asmodeus3

originally posted by: ScepticScot
a reply to: Asmodeus3

Please provide a source for your claim that prevention of transmission was a requirement.

Phase 3
Clinical trials include many thousands of participants. They aim to test whether a vaccine is effective in preventing people from getting the disease – in this case COVID-19. Phase 3 trials also thoroughly assess the vaccine for safety and side effects.

Prevention of transmission is always an integral part of the vaccine trials.

You need to stop engaging in vaccine apologetics.

That doesn't say anything about stopping transmission.

You want to try again.

a reply to: ScepticScot
Back in December 2020 .....it was being sold as if it did.

Given the limited supply of vaccine, national or local authorities have said they will first provide it to groups most at risk of becoming seriously ill or of transmitting the virus, such as front-line health care workers or the people living in nursing homes.

www.science.org...

originally posted by: Itisnowagain
a reply to: ScepticScot
Back in December 2020 .....it was being sold as if it did.

Given the limited supply of vaccine, national or local authorities have said they will first provide it to groups most at risk of becoming seriously ill or of transmitting the virus, such as front-line health care workers or the people living in nursing homes.

www.science.org...

An arguably reasonable assumption that people who don't get the virus are less likely to pass it on.

That is different from it being a requirement of approval for the vaccine as Asmodeous is claiming.

originally posted by: ScepticScot

originally posted by: Asmodeus3

originally posted by: ScepticScot
a reply to: Asmodeus3

Please provide a source for your claim that prevention of transmission was a requirement.

Phase 3
Clinical trials include many thousands of participants. They aim to test whether a vaccine is effective in preventing people from getting the disease – in this case COVID-19. Phase 3 trials also thoroughly assess the vaccine for safety and side effects.

Prevention of transmission is always an integral part of the vaccine trials.

You need to stop engaging in vaccine apologetics.

That doesn't say anything about stopping transmission.

You want to try again.

Phase 3
Clinical trials include many thousands of participants. They aim to test whether a vaccine is effective in preventing people from getting the disease – in this case COVID-19. Phase 3 trials also thoroughly assess the vaccine for safety and side effects.

Of course it does. You may want to try yourself again.

One of the aims as described above is to see whether a vaccine effective in preventing people from getting the disease. How do vaccines prevent a disease? If they stop transmission and infection. You seem to be in a constant denial...

a reply to: ScepticScot
I suppose 'arguably reasonable assumptions' are all one can have in such a short time when 'testing for safety and efficiency'.

originally posted by: ScepticScot

originally posted by: Itisnowagain
a reply to: ScepticScot
Back in December 2020 .....it was being sold as if it did.

Given the limited supply of vaccine, national or local authorities have said they will first provide it to groups most at risk of becoming seriously ill or of transmitting the virus, such as front-line health care workers or the people living in nursing homes.

www.science.org...

An arguably reasonable assumption that people who don't get the virus are less likely to pass it on.

That is different from it being a requirement of approval for the vaccine as Asmodeous is claiming.

No need to engage in vaccine apologetics and arguing that there is no need to check for transmission.

Did we suppose to get vaccinated to stop transmission and save granny?!

originally posted by: Asmodeus3

originally posted by: ScepticScot

originally posted by: Asmodeus3

originally posted by: ScepticScot
a reply to: Asmodeus3

Please provide a source for your claim that prevention of transmission was a requirement.

Phase 3
Clinical trials include many thousands of participants. They aim to test whether a vaccine is effective in preventing people from getting the disease – in this case COVID-19. Phase 3 trials also thoroughly assess the vaccine for safety and side effects.

Prevention of transmission is always an integral part of the vaccine trials.

You need to stop engaging in vaccine apologetics.

That doesn't say anything about stopping transmission.

You want to try again.

Phase 3
Clinical trials include many thousands of participants. They aim to test whether a vaccine is effective in preventing people from getting the disease – in this case COVID-19. Phase 3 trials also thoroughly assess the vaccine for safety and side effects.

Of course it does. You may want to try yourself again.

One of the aims as described above is to see whether a vaccine effective in preventing people from getting the disease. How do vaccines prevent a disease? If they stop transmission and infection. You seem to be in a constant denial...

Preventing people from getting the disease snd stopping onward transmission are not the same thing.

Provide a source that preventing transmission was a requirement fir approval.

originally posted by: Itisnowagain
a reply to: ScepticScot
I suppose 'arguably reasonable assumptions' are all one can have in such a short time when 'testing for safety and efficiency'.

In such a short period of time you cannot do much.
There is no Phase3 clinical trial. The actual Phase3 clinical trial started when the vaccines were released for general use around 2 years ago. That's why we just stated seeing the very unpleasant short term effects such as myocarditis, pericarditis, blood clots, autoimmune disorders, etc.

originally posted by: Itisnowagain
a reply to: ScepticScot
I suppose 'arguably reasonable assumptions' are all one can have in such a short time when 'testing for safety and efficiency'.

Impact on onward transmission is a more complicated and lest robust measure than effectivness against infection.

It would have made no sense to hold up approval waiting for an answer that would ultimately had little impact on if it was approved.

Later studies have suggested it does reduce transmission.

a reply to: ScepticScot
Does it stop people catching it?

originally posted by: ScepticScot

originally posted by: Asmodeus3

originally posted by: ScepticScot

originally posted by: Asmodeus3

originally posted by: ScepticScot
a reply to: Asmodeus3

Please provide a source for your claim that prevention of transmission was a requirement.

Phase 3
Clinical trials include many thousands of participants. They aim to test whether a vaccine is effective in preventing people from getting the disease – in this case COVID-19. Phase 3 trials also thoroughly assess the vaccine for safety and side effects.

Prevention of transmission is always an integral part of the vaccine trials.

You need to stop engaging in vaccine apologetics.

That doesn't say anything about stopping transmission.

You want to try again.

Phase 3
Clinical trials include many thousands of participants. They aim to test whether a vaccine is effective in preventing people from getting the disease – in this case COVID-19. Phase 3 trials also thoroughly assess the vaccine for safety and side effects.

Of course it does. You may want to try yourself again.

One of the aims as described above is to see whether a vaccine effective in preventing people from getting the disease. How do vaccines prevent a disease? If they stop transmission and infection. You seem to be in a constant denial...

Preventing people from getting the disease snd stopping onward transmission are not the same thing.

Provide a source that preventing transmission was a requirement fir approval.

Preventing people from getting Covid through vaccination is stopping transmission and infection. You may want to reconsider what prevention means.

a reply to: ScepticScot


From your own source

Data demonstrate vaccine was well tolerated across all populations with over 43,000 participants enrolled; no serious safety concerns observed; the only Grade 3 adverse event greater than 2% in frequency was fatigue at 3.8% and headache at 2.0%

No serious safety concerns?!

Yes....apart from myocarditis, pericarditis, heart failure, autoimmune disorders, thrombosis with thrombocytopenia, allergic reactions, strokes, heart attacks, sudden deaths, etc.

It looks like they didn't have the time to check or these are fraudulent claims.

originally posted by: Itisnowagain
a reply to: ScepticScot
Does it stop people catching it?

It reduces the likelihood of catching it.

originally posted by: Itisnowagain
a reply to: ScepticScot
Does it stop people catching it?

Obviously not.

It doesn't prevent transmission and neither it reduces it significantly.

originally posted by: ScepticScot

originally posted by: Itisnowagain
a reply to: ScepticScot
Does it stop people catching it?

It reduces the likelihood of catching it.

By how much? Everyone seems to be transmitting easily and getting infected easily. Which studies show that it reduces transmission and Infection significantly?

originally posted by: Asmodeus3

originally posted by: ScepticScot

originally posted by: Asmodeus3

originally posted by: ScepticScot

originally posted by: Asmodeus3

originally posted by: ScepticScot
a reply to: Asmodeus3

Please provide a source for your claim that prevention of transmission was a requirement.

Phase 3
Clinical trials include many thousands of participants. They aim to test whether a vaccine is effective in preventing people from getting the disease – in this case COVID-19. Phase 3 trials also thoroughly assess the vaccine for safety and side effects.

Prevention of transmission is always an integral part of the vaccine trials.

You need to stop engaging in vaccine apologetics.

That doesn't say anything about stopping transmission.

You want to try again.

Phase 3
Clinical trials include many thousands of participants. They aim to test whether a vaccine is effective in preventing people from getting the disease – in this case COVID-19. Phase 3 trials also thoroughly assess the vaccine for safety and side effects.

Of course it does. You may want to try yourself again.

One of the aims as described above is to see whether a vaccine effective in preventing people from getting the disease. How do vaccines prevent a disease? If they stop transmission and infection. You seem to be in a constant denial...

Preventing people from getting the disease snd stopping onward transmission are not the same thing.

Provide a source that preventing transmission was a requirement fir approval.

Preventing people from getting Covid through vaccination is stopping transmission and infection. You may want to reconsider what prevention means.

Your inability to source your claim is noted.

originally posted by: Asmodeus3

originally posted by: ScepticScot

originally posted by: Itisnowagain
a reply to: ScepticScot
Does it stop people catching it?

It reduces the likelihood of catching it.

By how much? Everyone seems to be transmitting easily and getting infected easily. Which studies show that it reduces transmission and Infection significantly?

Why you just diregard them anyway.

a reply to: Asmodeus3
John Campbell had Professor Norman Fenton on his show yesterday explaining how risks and benefits are calculated.

It's amazing how easy it is to fudge numbers......just confuse with the terms relative risk and absolute risk.

originally posted by: Itisnowagain

a reply to: Asmodeus3
John Campbell had Professor Norman Fenton on his show yesterday explaining how risks and benefits are calculated.

It's amazing how easy it is to fudge numbers......just confuse with the terms relative risk and absolute risk.

They have fudged the entire Phase3 clinical trials and argued that the vaccine has passed the major safety checkpoints in only a few months. I mean you need to be very naive to believe such claims. Or have no relevance with the subject.