Sudden Deaths More Than Double In Germany

a reply to: ScepticScot
If you want to know the time period you just need to know..... how long were the trials?
That's where the figures come from.
95% relative risk reduction.....that's what people were told to get them on board.

originally posted by: ScepticScot

originally posted by: Itisnowagain
a reply to: ScepticScot
Does it stop people catching it?

It reduces the likelihood of catching it.

by what factor?

originally posted by: Itisnowagain
a reply to: ScepticScot
If you want to know the time period you just need to know..... how long were the trials?
That's where the figures come from.
95% relative risk reduction.....that's what people were told to get them on board.

Which is why studies use relative risk.

If your are saying the absolute risk is from the initial vaccine studies then that is highly misleading as to your real of catching covid.

originally posted by: network dude

originally posted by: ScepticScot

originally posted by: Itisnowagain
a reply to: ScepticScot
Does it stop people catching it?

It reduces the likelihood of catching it.

by what factor?

As has been discussed repeatedly on this site it depends.

At its peak period a few weeks after vaccination it's highly effective.

A year later with no boosters not very at all.

a reply to: ScepticScot
Mr Andrew Bridgen MP speaks about it in parliament on the John Campbell video...... between the 5 minute mark to just after the 6 minute mark.

originally posted by: Itisnowagain
a reply to: ScepticScot
Mr Andrew Bridgen MP speaks about it in parliament on the John Campbell video...... between the 5 minute mark to just after the 6 minute mark.

And as much as I unequivocally trust Tory MPs I would rather have a source for the number.

Maybe if I explain the issue.

Say seatbelts reduce the risk of death in high speed accident by 50%.

On any given day may chance of being in a high speed accident is low particularly today when it's really cold and I'm not planning on leaving the house.

However over my lifetime the chance is much higher, so wearing a seatbelt makes sense.


If the absolute risk of covid is based on a short period, particularly if it was during a period when cases are low generally then it doesn't tell you much about how effective the vaccines are.

That isnt to say absolute risk isn't important, if your lifetime risk of getting an infection uis small then that impacts the risk/benefit. However an absolute risk figure, quoted without context, is pretty meaningless.

originally posted by: ScepticScot

originally posted by: Itisnowagain
a reply to: ScepticScot
Mr Andrew Bridgen MP speaks about it in parliament on the John Campbell video...... between the 5 minute mark to just after the 6 minute mark.

And as much as I unequivocally trust Tory MPs I would rather have a source for the number.

Maybe if I explain the issue.

Say seatbelts reduce the risk of death in high speed accident by 50%.

On any given day may chance of being in a high speed accident is low particularly today when it's really cold and I'm not planning on leaving the house.

However over my lifetime the chance is much higher, so wearing a seatbelt makes sense.


If the absolute risk of covid is based on a short period, particularly if it was during a period when cases are low generally then it doesn't tell you much about how effective the vaccines are.

That isnt to say absolute risk isn't important, if your lifetime risk of getting an infection uis small then that impacts the risk/benefit. However an absolute risk figure, quoted without context, is pretty meaningless.

Seatlbelt made of razor blades. I see msm and questionable sources using this analogy but it's about a year and a half old.

originally posted by: ScepticScot

originally posted by: Itisnowagain
a reply to: ScepticScot
Mr Andrew Bridgen MP speaks about it in parliament on the John Campbell video...... between the 5 minute mark to just after the 6 minute mark.

And as much as I unequivocally trust Tory MPs I would rather have a source for the number.

Maybe if I explain the issue.

Say seatbelts reduce the risk of death in high speed accident by 50%.

On any given day may chance of being in a high speed accident is low particularly today when it's really cold and I'm not planning on leaving the house.

However over my lifetime the chance is much higher, so wearing a seatbelt makes sense.


If the absolute risk of covid is based on a short period, particularly if it was during a period when cases are low generally then it doesn't tell you much about how effective the vaccines are.

That isnt to say absolute risk isn't important, if your lifetime risk of getting an infection uis small then that impacts the risk/benefit. However an absolute risk figure, quoted without context, is pretty meaningless.

The argument about seatbealts is a fallacy.
They (vaccines) would have been great if they had no serious adverse reactions and they could prevent transmission and infection.

But they do have serious adverse reactions. Seatbelts don't cause myocarditis, pericarditis, clots and auto-immune disorders among many other conditions and especially to young and healthy people who are miniscule chance of getting infected and die due to Covid.

It's ironic that you ask everyone else about sources when they provide nothing other than your false claims and you are constantly peddling the narrative which had collapsed long time ago.

originally posted by: v1rtu0s0

originally posted by: ScepticScot

originally posted by: Itisnowagain
a reply to: ScepticScot
Mr Andrew Bridgen MP speaks about it in parliament on the John Campbell video...... between the 5 minute mark to just after the 6 minute mark.

And as much as I unequivocally trust Tory MPs I would rather have a source for the number.

Maybe if I explain the issue.

Say seatbelts reduce the risk of death in high speed accident by 50%.

On any given day may chance of being in a high speed accident is low particularly today when it's really cold and I'm not planning on leaving the house.

However over my lifetime the chance is much higher, so wearing a seatbelt makes sense.


If the absolute risk of covid is based on a short period, particularly if it was during a period when cases are low generally then it doesn't tell you much about how effective the vaccines are.

That isnt to say absolute risk isn't important, if your lifetime risk of getting an infection uis small then that impacts the risk/benefit. However an absolute risk figure, quoted without context, is pretty meaningless.

Seatlbelt made of razor blades. I see msm and questionable sources using this analogy but it's about a year and a half old.

Seatbelts can cause injury aa well. No razor blades required.

Overall you are much better wearing one.

a reply to: ScepticScot
You don't even have to watch the video.....you can just read it on the transcript on the yt page.

originally posted by: Asmodeus3

originally posted by: ScepticScot

originally posted by: Itisnowagain
a reply to: ScepticScot
Mr Andrew Bridgen MP speaks about it in parliament on the John Campbell video...... between the 5 minute mark to just after the 6 minute mark.

And as much as I unequivocally trust Tory MPs I would rather have a source for the number.

Maybe if I explain the issue.

Say seatbelts reduce the risk of death in high speed accident by 50%.

On any given day may chance of being in a high speed accident is low particularly today when it's really cold and I'm not planning on leaving the house.

However over my lifetime the chance is much higher, so wearing a seatbelt makes sense.


If the absolute risk of covid is based on a short period, particularly if it was during a period when cases are low generally then it doesn't tell you much about how effective the vaccines are.

That isnt to say absolute risk isn't important, if your lifetime risk of getting an infection uis small then that impacts the risk/benefit. However an absolute risk figure, quoted without context, is pretty meaningless.

The argument about seatbealts is a fallacy.
They (vaccines) would have been great if they had no serious adverse reactions and they could prevent transmission and infection.

But they do have serious adverse reactions. Seatbelts don't cause myocarditis, pericarditis, clots and auto-immune disorders among many other conditions and especially to young and healthy people who are miniscule chance of getting infected and die due to Covid.

It's ironic that you ask everyone else about sources when they provide nothing other than your false claims and you are constantly peddling the narrative which had collapsed long time ago.

I will provide sources to you when you do.

Otherwise there is, as I already said, no point in having a conversation as you continue to make false claims.

originally posted by: Itisnowagain
a reply to: ScepticScot
You don't even have to watch the video.....you can just read it on the transcript on the yt page.

It's the source of the absolute risk figure I am intetested in.

Not what he said.

If its included in the video/transcript then please post it. Thanks.

a reply to: ScepticScot
You want me to post the transcript?
I can't because I cannot copy and paste anything from yt.
If I was a sceptic I would do my own research.... it's not hard to go and check it out.

Are you avoiding learning stuff?

originally posted by: Itisnowagain
a reply to: ScepticScot
You want me to post the transcript?
I can't because I cannot copy and paste anything from yt.
If I was a sceptic I would do my own research.... it's not hard to go and check it out.

Are you avoiding learning stuff?

I am not asking you to post the transcript.

I am asking for the source of the figure.

originally posted by: ScepticScot

originally posted by: Asmodeus3

originally posted by: ScepticScot

originally posted by: Itisnowagain
a reply to: ScepticScot
Mr Andrew Bridgen MP speaks about it in parliament on the John Campbell video...... between the 5 minute mark to just after the 6 minute mark.

And as much as I unequivocally trust Tory MPs I would rather have a source for the number.

Maybe if I explain the issue.

Say seatbelts reduce the risk of death in high speed accident by 50%.

On any given day may chance of being in a high speed accident is low particularly today when it's really cold and I'm not planning on leaving the house.

However over my lifetime the chance is much higher, so wearing a seatbelt makes sense.


If the absolute risk of covid is based on a short period, particularly if it was during a period when cases are low generally then it doesn't tell you much about how effective the vaccines are.

That isnt to say absolute risk isn't important, if your lifetime risk of getting an infection uis small then that impacts the risk/benefit. However an absolute risk figure, quoted without context, is pretty meaningless.

The argument about seatbealts is a fallacy.
They (vaccines) would have been great if they had no serious adverse reactions and they could prevent transmission and infection.

But they do have serious adverse reactions. Seatbelts don't cause myocarditis, pericarditis, clots and auto-immune disorders among many other conditions and especially to young and healthy people who are miniscule chance of getting infected and die due to Covid.

It's ironic that you ask everyone else about sources when they provide nothing other than your false claims and you are constantly peddling the narrative which had collapsed long time ago.

I will provide sources to you when you do.

Otherwise there is, as I already said, no point in having a conversation as you continue to make false claims.

Everyone provides sources here. You provide the least ones and the most controversial. Earlier you linked Pfizer's website. Really?!
I see you are now engaging in further strawman arguments.

Phase 3
Clinical trials include many thousands of participants. They aim to test whether a vaccine is effective in preventing people from getting the disease – in this case COVID-19. Phase 3 trials also thoroughly assess the vaccine for safety and side effects.

Which parts of the Phase3 clinical trials were successful completed?

originally posted by: Itisnowagain
a reply to: ScepticScot
You want me to post the transcript?
I can't because I cannot copy and paste anything from yt.
If I was a sceptic I would do my own research.... it's not hard to go and check it out.

Are you avoiding learning stuff?

Trying mainly to deflect the conversation and argue on the basis of 'sources' or lack of them. Earlier he provided Pfizer's website...

originally posted by: Asmodeus3

originally posted by: ScepticScot

originally posted by: Asmodeus3

originally posted by: ScepticScot

originally posted by: Itisnowagain
a reply to: ScepticScot
Mr Andrew Bridgen MP speaks about it in parliament on the John Campbell video...... between the 5 minute mark to just after the 6 minute mark.

And as much as I unequivocally trust Tory MPs I would rather have a source for the number.

Maybe if I explain the issue.

Say seatbelts reduce the risk of death in high speed accident by 50%.

On any given day may chance of being in a high speed accident is low particularly today when it's really cold and I'm not planning on leaving the house.

However over my lifetime the chance is much higher, so wearing a seatbelt makes sense.


If the absolute risk of covid is based on a short period, particularly if it was during a period when cases are low generally then it doesn't tell you much about how effective the vaccines are.

That isnt to say absolute risk isn't important, if your lifetime risk of getting an infection uis small then that impacts the risk/benefit. However an absolute risk figure, quoted without context, is pretty meaningless.

The argument about seatbealts is a fallacy.
They (vaccines) would have been great if they had no serious adverse reactions and they could prevent transmission and infection.

But they do have serious adverse reactions. Seatbelts don't cause myocarditis, pericarditis, clots and auto-immune disorders among many other conditions and especially to young and healthy people who are miniscule chance of getting infected and die due to Covid.

It's ironic that you ask everyone else about sources when they provide nothing other than your false claims and you are constantly peddling the narrative which had collapsed long time ago.

I will provide sources to you when you do.

Otherwise there is, as I already said, no point in having a conversation as you continue to make false claims.

Everyone provides sources here. You provide the least ones and the most controversial. Earlier you linked Pfizer's website. Really?!
I see you are now engaging in further strawman arguments.

Phase 3
Clinical trials include many thousands of participants. They aim to test whether a vaccine is effective in preventing people from getting the disease – in this case COVID-19. Phase 3 trials also thoroughly assess the vaccine for safety and side effects.

Which parts of the Phase3 clinical trials were successful completed?

Yet you still havent provided a source for your claim.

originally posted by: ScepticScot

originally posted by: v1rtu0s0

originally posted by: ScepticScot

originally posted by: Itisnowagain
a reply to: ScepticScot
Mr Andrew Bridgen MP speaks about it in parliament on the John Campbell video...... between the 5 minute mark to just after the 6 minute mark.

And as much as I unequivocally trust Tory MPs I would rather have a source for the number.

Maybe if I explain the issue.

Say seatbelts reduce the risk of death in high speed accident by 50%.

On any given day may chance of being in a high speed accident is low particularly today when it's really cold and I'm not planning on leaving the house.

However over my lifetime the chance is much higher, so wearing a seatbelt makes sense.


If the absolute risk of covid is based on a short period, particularly if it was during a period when cases are low generally then it doesn't tell you much about how effective the vaccines are.

That isnt to say absolute risk isn't important, if your lifetime risk of getting an infection uis small then that impacts the risk/benefit. However an absolute risk figure, quoted without context, is pretty meaningless.

Seatlbelt made of razor blades. I see msm and questionable sources using this analogy but it's about a year and a half old.

Seatbelts can cause injury aa well. No razor blades required.

Overall you are much better wearing one.

Yes indeed! If you consider the vaccines as seatbelts then these seatbelts can cause myocarditis, pericarditis, clots and auto-immune disorders among many other conditions and especially to young and healthy people who are miniscule chance of getting infected and die due to Covid.

The seatbelt analogy is a fallacy and it's an old one.

originally posted by: ScepticScot

originally posted by: Asmodeus3

originally posted by: ScepticScot

originally posted by: Asmodeus3

originally posted by: ScepticScot

originally posted by: Itisnowagain
a reply to: ScepticScot
Mr Andrew Bridgen MP speaks about it in parliament on the John Campbell video...... between the 5 minute mark to just after the 6 minute mark.

And as much as I unequivocally trust Tory MPs I would rather have a source for the number.

Maybe if I explain the issue.

Say seatbelts reduce the risk of death in high speed accident by 50%.

On any given day may chance of being in a high speed accident is low particularly today when it's really cold and I'm not planning on leaving the house.

However over my lifetime the chance is much higher, so wearing a seatbelt makes sense.


If the absolute risk of covid is based on a short period, particularly if it was during a period when cases are low generally then it doesn't tell you much about how effective the vaccines are.

That isnt to say absolute risk isn't important, if your lifetime risk of getting an infection uis small then that impacts the risk/benefit. However an absolute risk figure, quoted without context, is pretty meaningless.

The argument about seatbealts is a fallacy.
They (vaccines) would have been great if they had no serious adverse reactions and they could prevent transmission and infection.

But they do have serious adverse reactions. Seatbelts don't cause myocarditis, pericarditis, clots and auto-immune disorders among many other conditions and especially to young and healthy people who are miniscule chance of getting infected and die due to Covid.

It's ironic that you ask everyone else about sources when they provide nothing other than your false claims and you are constantly peddling the narrative which had collapsed long time ago.

I will provide sources to you when you do.

Otherwise there is, as I already said, no point in having a conversation as you continue to make false claims.

Everyone provides sources here. You provide the least ones and the most controversial. Earlier you linked Pfizer's website. Really?!
I see you are now engaging in further strawman arguments.

Phase 3
Clinical trials include many thousands of participants. They aim to test whether a vaccine is effective in preventing people from getting the disease – in this case COVID-19. Phase 3 trials also thoroughly assess the vaccine for safety and side effects.

Which parts of the Phase3 clinical trials were successful completed?

Yet you still havent provided a source for your claim.

That's another strawman argument.

Do you know medium and long term effects?
How then can you claim that the vaccines are safe and effective or 'seatbelts'??

How absurd is this position.

originally posted by: Asmodeus3

originally posted by: ScepticScot

originally posted by: v1rtu0s0

originally posted by: ScepticScot

originally posted by: Itisnowagain
a reply to: ScepticScot
Mr Andrew Bridgen MP speaks about it in parliament on the John Campbell video...... between the 5 minute mark to just after the 6 minute mark.

And as much as I unequivocally trust Tory MPs I would rather have a source for the number.

Maybe if I explain the issue.

Say seatbelts reduce the risk of death in high speed accident by 50%.

On any given day may chance of being in a high speed accident is low particularly today when it's really cold and I'm not planning on leaving the house.

However over my lifetime the chance is much higher, so wearing a seatbelt makes sense.


If the absolute risk of covid is based on a short period, particularly if it was during a period when cases are low generally then it doesn't tell you much about how effective the vaccines are.

That isnt to say absolute risk isn't important, if your lifetime risk of getting an infection uis small then that impacts the risk/benefit. However an absolute risk figure, quoted without context, is pretty meaningless.

Seatlbelt made of razor blades. I see msm and questionable sources using this analogy but it's about a year and a half old.

Seatbelts can cause injury aa well. No razor blades required.

Overall you are much better wearing one.

Yes indeed! If you consider the vaccines as seatbelts then these seatbelts can cause myocarditis, pericarditis, clots and auto-immune disorders among many other conditions and especially to young and healthy people who are miniscule chance of getting infected and die due to Covid.

The seatbelt analogy is a fallacy and it's an old one.

Can cause and likely to cause are two different things.