Impending Invasion of Ukraine from Belarus Will Likely Force NATO to Act

Its ukraines fight not ours.

a reply to: MidnightWatcher

originally posted by: Lysergic
Its ukraines fight not ours.

a reply to: MidnightWatcher

The Budapest agreement begs to differ.

As does anyone who remembers the chamberlain disaster that led to ww2.

originally posted by: MidnightWatcher

originally posted by: M5xaz

originally posted by: Oldcarpy2
a reply to: Nexttimemaybe

My "ilk"?

Encouraging "the escalation"?

You mean by standing up to a World class bully?

History is calling you.

Pick up.

Ukraine is calling armchair soldiers like you. They are enlisting foreigners

When are you going ?

Pick up !!!!

So is russia.

Your point?

You're slow, I know
So I'll try to explain it to you

Nexttimemaybe is pushing for a confrontation to "stand up to a bully"
I have been pushing for the opposite, diplomatic negatiations, or a least a cease fire.
No war
Capiche ?

This is not Grade 3 and this is not "king of the mountain".
Stop pushing for a global nuclear holocaust

originally posted by: M5xaz

originally posted by: MidnightWatcher

originally posted by: M5xaz

originally posted by: Oldcarpy2
a reply to: Nexttimemaybe

My "ilk"?

Encouraging "the escalation"?

You mean by standing up to a World class bully?

History is calling you.

Pick up.

Ukraine is calling armchair soldiers like you. They are enlisting foreigners

When are you going ?

Pick up !!!!

So is russia.

Your point?

You're slow, I know
So I'll try to explain it to you

Nexttimemaybe is pushing for a confrontation to "stand up to a bully"
I have been pushing for the opposite, diplomatic negatiations, or a least a cease fire.
No war
Capiche ?

This is not Grade 3 and this is not "king of the mountain".
Stop pushing for a global nuclear holocaust

russia can begin 'negotiations' by leaving Ukrainian territory.

Other than russia paying to rebuild what they destroyed in Ukraine and security guarantees for Ukraine by Western countries, what else is there to 'negotiate'?

Even 3rd graders understand this.




What you are demanding is not 'negotiations', it's for Ukraine to surrender to russia.

Neither the US nor Russia will attack each other with strategic nukes unless someone goes mad.

In this war, ONLY Putin has threatened to use nukes, NOT the West.

Putin has threatened the use of so-called tactical nukes

A tactical nuclear weapon (TNW) or non-strategic nuclear weapon (NSNW)[1] is a nuclear weapon which is designed to be used on a battlefield in military situations, mostly with friendly forces in proximity and perhaps even on contested friendly territory. Generally smaller in explosive power, they are defined in contrast to strategic nuclear weapons, which are designed mostly to be targeted at the enemy interior far away from the war front against military bases, cities, towns, arms industries, and other hardened or larger-area targets to damage the enemy's ability to wage war. No tactical nuclear weapon has ever been used in a combat situation.

Yield
The yield varies for a tactical nuclear weapon from a fraction of a kiloton to approximately 50 kilotons.[7] In comparison, a strategic nuclear weapon has a yield from 100 kilotons to over a megaton, with much larger warheads available.[7]

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On the q.t., it is said the US had told Putin that if he used tactical nukes or chemical weapons, NATO would annihilate his forces with conventional weapons.

IMO, Putin's threat of nukes is aimed at NATO. In other words, if NATO is going on any attack, Putin leaves open the threat of using tactical nukes on that hypothetical attack. If you listen closely, when he threatened, he referred to threats against Russia proper.

a reply to: peaceinoutz


putin apparently believes that NATO is already attacking russia.

originally posted by: MidnightWatcher
a reply to: peaceinoutz


putin apparently believes that NATO is already attacking russia.

Mmmhmm

“I’m greatly concerned. Unless we have new production, which takes months to ramp up, we’re not going to have the ability to supply the Ukrainians,” Des Roches told CNBC.

Europe is running low, too. “The military stocks of most [European NATO] member states have been, I wouldn’t say exhausted, but depleted in a high proportion, because we have been providing a lot of capacity to the Ukrainians,” Josep Borrell, the EU’s high representative for foreign affairs and security policy, said earlier this month.

Tired of being wrong yet?

originally posted by: worldstarcountry

Yea i figured that when Ukraine blew up every bridge to Belarus this weekend. I only care about one of two outcomes. Zelensky is publicly hung like Sadaam, or he goes to a prison where bidders can compete in an auction for one on one time in bare knuckle action with Zelensky. I prefer the latter, but will settle for the former.

Wait... Who invaded whom here... Your post sounds so lopsided that it sounds like Russian official news.

originally posted by: JinMI

originally posted by: MidnightWatcher
a reply to: peaceinoutz


putin apparently believes that NATO is already attacking russia.

Mmmhmm

“I’m greatly concerned. Unless we have new production, which takes months to ramp up, we’re not going to have the ability to supply the Ukrainians,” Des Roches told CNBC.

Europe is running low, too. “The military stocks of most [European NATO] member states have been, I wouldn’t say exhausted, but depleted in a high proportion, because we have been providing a lot of capacity to the Ukrainians,” Josep Borrell, the EU’s high representative for foreign affairs and security policy, said earlier this month.

Tired of being wrong yet?

Wrong about what?

NATO is not a country, and NATO is not involved in russia's invasion of Ukraine.

Some of it's member countries are providing Ukraine with the means to defend itself though.





Have any evidence of those 5000 NATO troops in Lviv yet?

Were they all stationed at the power plant and museum that russia targeted there?

originally posted by: ManBehindTheMask

Nato getting more involved could likely lead to nuclear war

They cheer this sort of stuff on like it's their fav football team

Do you really see Russia using nukes outside of their actual homeland invaded? This has always been their bluff, let us do what we want because we have nukes! I really see a regime change in Russia long before nukes come into play, as that will be their only way out of all this mess that Putin miscalculated on. Russia has zero fears of any kind of homeland invasion no matter how badly Ukraine plays out for them, so their only choice in the next year will be to remove Putin, and then tell the world it was his fault and they want to play nice once again.

There is no other option at this point for them to get anything back that they once had.

originally posted by: MidnightWatcher

putin apparently believes that NATO is already attacking russia.

If that was the case then Russia would have been pushed back to hell by now. Ukraine has been given like less than 1% of that we could put on the battle field and Russia can not even handle that amount...lol

originally posted by: JinMI

Tired of being wrong yet?

We have given Ukraine 16 HIMARS systems and we have 1000... hmmm We are not running out of anything....

originally posted by: MidnightWatcher

originally posted by: JinMI

originally posted by: MidnightWatcher
a reply to: peaceinoutz


putin apparently believes that NATO is already attacking russia.

Mmmhmm

“I’m greatly concerned. Unless we have new production, which takes months to ramp up, we’re not going to have the ability to supply the Ukrainians,” Des Roches told CNBC.

Europe is running low, too. “The military stocks of most [European NATO] member states have been, I wouldn’t say exhausted, but depleted in a high proportion, because we have been providing a lot of capacity to the Ukrainians,” Josep Borrell, the EU’s high representative for foreign affairs and security policy, said earlier this month.

Tired of being wrong yet?

Wrong about what?

NATO is not a country, and NATO is not involved in russia's invasion of Ukraine.

Some of it's member countries are providing Ukraine with the means to defend itself though.





Have any evidence of those 5000 NATO troops in Lviv yet?

Were they all stationed at the power plant and museum that russia targeted there?

It's almost like if you didn't strawman, you wouldnt' have an argument.........

putin apparently believes that NATO is already attacking russia.

That's because they are.

originally posted by: Xtrozero

originally posted by: JinMI

Tired of being wrong yet?

We have given Ukraine 16 HIMARS systems and we have 1000... hmmm We are not running out of anything....

Take it up with CNBC..yes very low hanging fruit.

Point being, NATO is absolutely involved and to deny it is an outright lie...which some here have zero issue with.

a reply to: Xtrozero

Do you really see Russia using nukes outside of their actual homeland invaded?

No.




But they do have a madman-in-chief, so you never really know.

a reply to: MidnightWatcher
Naw, we just point out the precedent was set in 2003 when cruelty and terrorism to their own citizens was cause enough to invade Iraq with pre-emptive invasion by Security Council nations with veto power using two proven lies (WMD and 9/11) as justification as threat to our national security. It was good enough to launch the most regionally destabalizing invasion since the Great war despite UN disapproval, which never made it to a vote when it was realised the invasion would enebrr be approved.

As a result of such a precedent set previously by Securirty Council members invading a nation without UN approval/mandate not even 20 years ago, Russia simply initiated a similar war for its own National Security interests to a bordering nation. At least it was not literally on the other side of the Earth with no real means of defense like the people of Iraq. But in reality, they used the same justifications whether truely justified or not.

Its why bad precedents should not be set to begin with.

originally posted by: JinMI

originally posted by: Xtrozero

originally posted by: JinMI

Tired of being wrong yet?

We have given Ukraine 16 HIMARS systems and we have 1000... hmmm We are not running out of anything....

Take it up with CNBC..yes very low hanging fruit.

Point being, NATO is absolutely involved and to deny it is an outright lie...which some here have zero issue with.

Have any evidence for this NATO involvement, or of those 5000 NATO troops in Lviv?

Who were apparently stationed at the power plant and museum that russia targeted today?



Also, NATO is not a country.

twitter.com...

Yeah right. Exactly what the Russians said before invading Ukraine. Fool me once.

This man is committing political suicide, and opening up his country for attacks by allowing Russians to use his territory and airspace for attacks on Ukraine. Talking real big now that Russians are pouring into Belarus by the thousands.

originally posted by: JinMI

Take it up with CNBC..yes very low hanging fruit.

Point being, NATO is absolutely involved and to deny it is an outright lie...which some here have zero issue with.

Well explain involvement? Where is the NATO troop buildups? How many air attacks has NATO done? Of course we have given a good deal of arms and equipment, and most likely intel to Ukraine, but there isn't any direct involvement, otherwise the war would have been over a while ago. We are also training their forces like crazy in the use of our equipment and tactics that are playing out on the battlefield.

I just do not understand the point that you want to make here...