Impending Invasion of Ukraine from Belarus Will Likely Force NATO to Act

originally posted by: worldstarcountry
a reply to: MidnightWatcher
Naw, we just point out the precedent was set in 2003 when cruelty and terrorism to their own citizens was cause enough to invade Iraq with pre-emptive invasion by Securitt Council nations with veto power using two proven lies (WMD and 9/11) as justification as threat to our national security. It was good enough to launch the most regionally destabalizing invasion since the Great war despite UN disapproval, which never made it to a vote when it was realised the invasion would enebrr be approved.

As a result of such a precedent set previously by Securirty Council members invading a nation without UN approval/mandate not even 20 years ago, Russia simply initiated a similar war for its own National Security interests to a bordering nation. At least it was literally on the other side of the Earth with no real means of defense like the peoplenof Iraq. But in reality, they used the same justifications whether truely justified or not.

Its why bad precedents should not be set to begin with.

Had someone just attacked us, or did we do a land grabbing sneak attack in the middle of the night?


Did Ukraine attack russia, or even threaten russia in any way?

originally posted by: MidnightWatcher


Do you really see Russia using nukes outside of their actual homeland invaded?

No.

But they do have a madman-in-chief, so you never really know.

Well hopefully not everyone is mad. This is why I see a regime change long before nukes. Does anyone think a single oligarch, military leader etc. wanted any of this to happen as they see their whole luxurious lifestyles turned upside down to even think about nukes too?

a reply to: Xtrozero

Of course we have given a good deal of arms and equipment, and most likely intel to Ukraine, but there isn't any direct involvement, otherwise the war would have been over a while ago.

If arms, equipment and yes, intel, isn't direct involvement, what else is?

Troops and air support?

Semantics. Semantics that are costing lives and billions of taxpayer dollars. Minus 10 percent of course.

a reply to: MidnightWatcher

Have any evidence for this NATO involvement

Lots.

Pay attention, it's free.

originally posted by: JinMI

Troops and air support?

Semantics. Semantics that are costing lives and billions of taxpayer dollars. Minus 10 percent of course.

OK, so what is your point again? You are not saying anything new here. Everyone knows down to the bullets what Ukraine has been given.

You are the one playing with semantics here, and I would need to say that you should talk to the source of who created this whole mess in the first place, Putin.

You sound exactly like my POW training in them saying if I resist they will shoot another POW and then it will be all my fault they died...lol Not them pulling the God Damn trigger like what Putin did with Ukraine.

a reply to: Xtrozero

You are the one playing with semantics here, and I would need to say that you should talk to the source of who created this whole mess in the first place, Putin.

Not much I can do about putin.

The biden regime however, with help from Graham, Mccain and Nulin, I can.

originally posted by: JinMI
a reply to: MidnightWatcher

Have any evidence for this NATO involvement

Lots.


Pay attention, it's free.

Pay attention: it's imaginary.

Unless you have that evidence I've been requesting.

a reply to: MidnightWatcher

:yawn:

Reading is fundamental, scroll up and on the previous page.

originally posted by: JinMI
a reply to: MidnightWatcher

:yawn:

Reading is fundamental, scroll up and on the previous page.

I saw the donations, and already knew, but that isn't evidence of NATO involvement.

Or of the imaginary 5000 NATO troops in Lviv that russia said it targeted today at the Lviv power plant amd museum.

NATO is not a country.

a reply to: MidnightWatcher

that isn't evidence of NATO involvement.

Well, that's a straight up lie.

/shrug.

originally posted by: JinMI
a reply to: MidnightWatcher

that isn't evidence of NATO involvement.

Well, that's a straight up lie.

/shrug.

Do you have any evidence of NATO's involvement in russia's invasion of Ukraine?

Still waiting.

a reply to: MidnightWatcher
Known lies were actually the justification for the invasion of Iraq. The fact lies were used as the basis to war points to less then charitable motives as opposed to philanthropy for the liberation of the people of Iraq under that Dbag Hussein.

Same context really. Its going to happen again and again. I believe Turkey and Iran will both utilize similar tactics with similar PR/media in the 2030's as Iraq gets carved up like Syria. Maybe sooner. Was a nasty precedent to set. It was the beginning of the end of the UN. When top stops playing by the rules it signed onto, it disincentives others from following the rules .

But then again, every society on Earth across all of time has spent time killing their fellow humans in wars for greed. Say hello to the mirror, and wave hello.

I don't know where NATO officials live, but its imperative that they promise not to leave, or the people promise to keep them from leaving their respective countries. No ordering war with Russia and then hightailing it to the Southern Hemisphere. Forcing them and their families to stay put, will be a major deterrent to a large scale war occurring.

a reply to: MidnightWatcher

I saw the donations, and already knew, but that isn't evidence of NATO involvement.

Do you have any evidence of NATO's involvement in russia's invasion of Ukraine?

Strawmen, lies and now moving goalposts.

The biden regime is very impressed. Is that water getting heavy?

originally posted by: JinMI
a reply to: MidnightWatcher

I saw the donations, and already knew, but that isn't evidence of NATO involvement.

Do you have any evidence of NATO's involvement in russia's invasion of Ukraine?

Strawmen, lies and now moving goalposts.

The biden regime is very impressed. Is that water getting heavy?

THAT is where this discussion started, it's only you that keeps trying to move goalposts.


Still waiting for that evidence.

originally posted by: carewemust
I don't know where NATO officials live, but its imperative that they promise not to leave, or the people promise to keep them from leaving their respective countries. No ordering war with Russia and then hightailing it to the Southern Hemisphere. Forcing them and their families to stay put, will be a major deterrent to a large scale war occurring.

They live in their own respective countries, cuz NATO isn't a country.

To russia supporters, the mayor of chicago is a NATO official.



Also, NATO is not threatening to start a large scale war, only russia is.

a reply to: worldstarcountry


Known lies?

Care to provide any evidence?

a reply to: MidnightWatcher

This isn't about facts for the Russia supporters. It is a matter of faith.

Cheers

originally posted by: F2d5thCavv2
a reply to: MidnightWatcher

This isn't about facts for the Russia supporters. It is a matter of faith.

Cheers

Agreed.

Asking for evidence is like kryptonite to them.

Entertaining too.

originally posted by: JinMI

Not much I can do about putin.

The biden regime however, with help from Graham, Mccain and Nulin, I can.

What we do know is Putin threatens a good deal more countries than just Ukraine as Putin wants the old team of USSR satellite countries back under his fold to be kind of like EU in size, population and one day power. EU incompetence to be so reliant on Russia for their energy was a huge mistake and something that Trump warned them about. Russia took Georgia and Crimea and said we are good, but now they are trying to take a huge county and threatening others and that all just needs to stop one way or another.

We need to keep the eye on the ball here and that ball is Russia. I was shocked with everyone else when they invaded as they had little reason to do it and could have just kept selling their energy to EU and played nice for once.

But here we are and our only choice is to push Russia back into the 80s jail to once again removed them from the world except for a couple of counties, and to deter their advancements. China might be next to get a world timeout if they push their agenda of Taiwan and most likely Japan to become the superpower in control of most of Asia outside of India. If China does that then NK could also get involved with good timing to invade the south, and so do you think if all that happened then US should also be not involved as you do with Ukraine? The problem is we can not dictate what these countries plan on doing and when they go full war we can help to stop them or sit back as they land grab around the world in a WWII type situation.