It's About To Go Down...

He has cancer. He is either stage 3 or 4.

Intel not sure what grade. But he is seriously sick.

originally posted by: WanderingMrM
a reply to: DeathSlayer

Nah he won't die for a while, but he and China will for sure do what is needed and has been planned for a while now to overthrow the ones operating and running Europe and America from the shadows.

a reply to: Bluntone22

Just look at the LA rail yards since the changes to felony theft and “no money down” bail. They ride the cars and pitch what they don’t want.

This thread reminds me of all the ones here saying the Covid19 jab is safe and then when people started showing numerous side effects and an increase in death rate from the jab ATS became quiet.

The OP is half-ass correct.

a reply to: Ahabstar

Belgium produces the best beers in the world like Duvel, Delerium, Kwak, Chouffe etc...Budweiser is watered down stale piss and a major insult to beer. It's a US take on Budvar (Czech lager) but the US has since learnt how to make proper lager/beer like the Brooklyn beer/lager.

/Off topic but vital info as Kwak and Duvel are must trys while Coors Light is seen as the only beer worse than Bud.

a reply to: WanderingMrM

Because we'll get to see it soon, I'm literally just waiting for the Russians to fake out NATO and U.S with the latest stuff.

Why?
What has been the point of this 'great strategy' employed by the military genius that is Putin?

He lies and lies about his intention to invade Ukraine.
He finally invades Ukraine stating his great Russian troops are going to steamroller over Ukraine.
He proceeds to issue a series of justifications for his invasion and war - which isn't a war - in the Ukraine, some of which contradict each other.
He then has to retreat in the Ukraine and then bizarrely claim its all part of his grand, overall great plan and strategy.
Ukrainian forces force Russian troops into a ragged and panicked retreat.
This forces Putin to call up a large rag tag Army of drunks, students, OAP's and various other non-Military personnel.

Russian military are using outdated Cold War and even earlier produced weaponry and machinery.
Supply chain is breaking down and it seems logistics and forward planning are unheard of concepts in Russia.
Large numbers of Senior Russian military had been killed or injured.
Russian military is structured more akin to suit The Napoleonic Wars rather the needs of modern warfare.

But you expect us to believe this all part of Putin's super Masterplan and evidence of his genius?
You expect us to believe that he's kept large numbers of elite, highly motivated, highly trained forces in reserve.
Why?

Simple question; why has he done this?

And have you got any actual EVIDENCE of this?

Maybe you are watching and seeing this as you observe your mystical occulted future Russian Tsar?

originally posted by: WanderingMrM

originally posted by: MidnightWatcher
a reply to: WanderingMrM


"the 150,000 - 250,000 that were sent in were just mercenaries not even the primary Russian force'



VDV
Spetsnaz
1st Tank Army
2nd Combined Arms Army
8th Combined Arms Army
20th Combined Arms Army
29th Combined Arms Army
35th Combined Arms Army
36th Combined Arms Army
41st Combined Arms Army
39th Combined Arms Army
58th Combined Arms Army



What do the units above have in common?

They all entered Ukraine at full strength and were destroyed to the point of being considered 'spent forces'.




None of them are 'mercenaries' as you absurdly claimed.

But hey, perhaps the conscripts with zero training will save the day for russia.

So unless my 2 Russian sources are lying I don't think those were really sent in.

Oh for sure they're lying, there dead bodies are run through facial recognition databases or dog tags and confirmed to be active military

Since most of its regular army is wiped out, that would be the reason Putin is throwing untrained conscripts to bolster the remaining force, with literally no kit or weapons lol

originally posted by: TheGreazel
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Not saying they can't do it but i dunno seems like a dumb move.

Are you insinuating that Beijing Joe wouldn't make a dumb move? Because, if you are ...

a reply to: WanderingMrM

Source-trust me bro

a reply to: MidnightWatcher

no but then it didn't in 39 either but conflict did rejuvenate a West broken by the great war..

a reply to: Freeborn

Simple question; why has he done this?

Not telling you. So there.

a reply to: alldaylong

The reason why he has done it is to permit 3-month training of the conscripted force, some of which are ex-afghan and ex-Chechen war vets. Not to mention the training of the younger recruits who each served 2-3 years in the military prior to it, so there are no surprises there as to why he didn't send in the main force in.

a reply to: WanderingMrM

i guess that highlights how Russia underestimated the west ramping up its training and arming volunteers armies to replace those lost in combat..

1 strand of project Spring Generation, marry that into all the other countries doing there part we can only wonder at the scale of training experienced troops and civilians alike which is currently clouded


the thing is the West has not been able to scale up to this kind of training since the 50s and 60s..

a reply to: WanderingMrM

Err....that makes no sense at all.

Putin said he wanted a quick victory with as little bloodshed and damage to infrastructure as possible.
To achieve that you send in your BEST forces.
You don't have to be a military genius to work that out.

What about the drunks, the convicts, the students and the OAP's?
Why would he want or need to call them up if he has all these highly trained, highly motivated and highly equipped Armed Forces standing around doing NOTHING whilst Russian people are dying?

What is Putin's reasoning?
Less of the spin, less of the wriggling, less of deliberate avoidance......what is Putin's great plan and why?

a reply to: TritonTaranis

Nah these numbers seem way too high I would say, especially if it's coming from Ukraine in terms of the armor and systems destroyed.

The 58K killed yes but the vehicles and systems number is way too high, the guys I communicate with stated the following:

70 Aircraft
98 helicopters
457 tanks
38 UAVs
29 special equipment
7 boats/cutters
138 armored personnel vehicles
326 artillery systems
112 MLRS
572 vehicles & fuel tanks
47 anti-aircraft systems
122 cruise missiles

So not sure where Ukraine is getting their tech destruction numbers, not to mention most of the cash and weapons sent to Ukraine end up on the black market. Like the recent relief aid scandal that was exposed as being sold to some militia forces by the Zelensky administration, instead of going to the citizens of Ukraine it went to overseas militia forces.

Zelya as they call him has some nice Swiss bank accounts and gets paid rather quiet well for his recent role. No matter the outcome our boy is going to be pulled out of there just in time, unless of course they decide to burn him or hand him over to the Russians.

a reply to: WanderingMrM

The Russian military has lost thousands of combat vehicles of all types, including over well over 1000 tanks in Ukraine, and that's a conservative estimation.

This perfectly illustrates what happens when you take tanks to a Javelin fight.

originally posted by: Freeborn
a reply to: WanderingMrM


What about the drunks, the convicts, the students and the OAP's?
Why would he want or need to call them up if he has all these highly trained, highly motivated and highly equipped Armed Forces standing around doing NOTHING whilst Russian people are dying?

What is Putin's reasoning?
Less of the spin, less of the wriggling, less of deliberate avoidance......what is Putin's great plan and why?

Lambs to the slaughter, sacrificial.

Whilst saving the real troops for the real fight - to fight alongside their Chinese counterparts.

a reply to: andy06shake


Tank`s are no match for Saint Javelin .

a reply to: CthruU

Thing is CthruU China is not too chuffed with Putin threatening the use of nukes.

NATO and Russia squabbling is one thing and a win win situation where China is concerned.

However, if Putin brings about full-blown nuclear with his antics then there goes China's customer base.

Xi Jinping is simply not that stupid.

China won't be the sort of lifeline Russia imagines unless they wish to become a Chinese satellite state of sorts.

originally posted by: Freeborn
a reply to: WanderingMrM

Err....that makes no sense at all.

Putin said he wanted a quick victory with as little bloodshed and damage to infrastructure as possible.
To achieve that you send in your BEST forces.
You don't have to be a military genius to work that out.

What about the drunks, the convicts, the students and the OAP's?
Why would he want or need to call them up if he has all these highly trained, highly motivated and highly equipped Armed Forces standing around doing NOTHING whilst Russian people are dying?

What is Putin's reasoning?
Less of the spin, less of the wriggling, less of deliberate avoidance......what is Putin's great plan and why?

He's stalling, as I mentioned the pre-operation events, the during operation events and the events right before mobilization are very important in regards to what is going to unfold.

Furthermore, he's awaiting the 20th Chinese Communist Party meeting that is about to take place, we're all focusing on Ukraine and Russia too much while also thinking Russia is going to lose this.

Also what's important is who is going to be present during the meeting as representatives of the Russian side instead of Putin himself this time.

I'm telling you Putin and Xi are playing the game way ahead of everyone, and all those so called people that left Russia and ran to the border are mostly opposition folks. The protests are not as grand or massive as people think, 5 cities and roughly around 2000 protestors in each while we're being told it's in the 10s of thousands in each city.

Honestly the narrative is not to cause panic in Europe or America, because if the truth came out it would all go up in flames the Biden Administration knows this and the Democrats are well aware of the situation unfolding.

Furthermore the way things are unfolding in Europe just pre-winter shows what's going to happen, almost all recent elections are being won by conservative candidates who are in favor of lifting sanctions and going against E.U, and to rebuild relations with Russia. So many that the head of E.U literally had to publicly with cryptical wording threaten any leader of said European nations that are willing to go against the E.U and American plan for Russia.

There is a reason China is waiting for mid-October when the monsoon season starts to end, why the 20th meeting is taking place right before it, and the truth as to why the paramilitary sector has expended vastly over the last 6 months not to mention Russian VDV and Spetsnaz specialists advising China.