It's About To Go Down...

a reply to: WanderingMrM

Putin would have used the same weapon he used in Chechnya on Ukraine that same year.

Which weapon?

So there wouldn't have been a Ukraine right now!

What would there be then if not Ukraine?

Ukraine became an independent state, formalized with a referendum in December 1991.

Russia's war with Chechnya started in 1994.

1992 for the small-scale civil war type affair.

Far as i can establish Ukraine would still be Ukraine, should Putin get his way, just with a Russian puppet leader instead of the freely elected sorts aka Volodymyr Zelenskyy.

Things that happened in Ukraine became Russian matters when Russians started being targeted specifically.

Bull # and a pathetic excuse really.

originally posted by: MidnightWatcher
a reply to: WanderingMrM

russians started being targeted specifically

Were russian troops on the wrong side of a border at the time?

Did putin expect sunflower parades in his honor?

Russian military weren't even in the Eastern region during the 8 years of genocide that started from 2014.

Also why are you smiling at the fact that Ukrainians literally have been genociding ethnic Russians in the Eastern region for 8 years?

originally posted by: Ahabstar
a reply to: WanderingMrM

Putin is no Boy Scout.

Boy Scouts don’t indiscriminately kill hostages in order to maybe get the bad guys too.

Ah yes, the famous use of a sleeping gas that was untested and risky to use but was less riskier than actually storming the place! At least they attempted to save lives? Unlike the "we don't negotiate with terrorists policy"?

now what is the general consensus on what is about to go down, given the recent developments at 3pm moscow time?

i predict headlines will be about politicians spouting off. then next week, putin threatens nukes, usa says "you better not"

a reply to: WanderingMrM

Mmm so far with no casualties on the Russian side

You need better sources, or at least some common sense.

Why do you think russia is evacuating everyone and everything important from their western border area and Crimea?

I've seen way too many of these in WAY too much detail.

You're gonna be absolutely shocked when you finally understand just how catastrophically russia's invasion has failed.

It's getting pretty close to kicking defenseless puppies now.

Except for the indiscriminate city bombing and nuke threats of course.

a reply to: WanderingMrM




They invaded in 2014 and never left.

Also why are you smiling at the fact that Ukrainians literally have been genociding ethnic Russians in the Eastern region for 8 years?

Because your level of delusional reality is absolutely hilarious!

Not quite pee tape level hilarious yet, but I'm sure you'll get there eventually with determination like yours!

originally posted by: andy06shake
a reply to: WanderingMrM

Putin would have used the same weapon he used in Chechnya on Ukraine that same year.

Which weapon?

So there wouldn't have been a Ukraine right now!

What would there be then if not Ukraine?

Ukraine became an independent state, formalized with a referendum in December 1991.

Russia's war with Chechnya started in 1994.

1992 for the small-scale civil war type affair.

Things that happened in Ukraine became Russian matters when Russians started being targeted specifically.

Bull # and a pathetic excuse really.

So 8 year long genocide is a bull # reason and a pathetic excuse? Seeing the open armament and training of the Nazi radicals that carried it out is not reason enough?

I mean at least Russia didn't wave a little ampule with made-up powder or saying there are terrorists, when in fact Sadam was actually killing the mentioned terrorists and the WMDs were never there. Now those my friend are some truly bull # and pathetic excuses, and when asked for evidence the reason constantly changed!

Multiple thriving nations razed to the ground, hell at least Russians actually stood by their word and promise to rebuild Chechnya.

What did the U.S and NATO give us? Nations that will never recover, mass migrations and new terrorist organizations and extremist leaders!

At least once Putin takes over Ukraine and deals with the Nazi government, they'll rebuild it and people will get back to living life.

originally posted by: MidnightWatcher
a reply to: WanderingMrM

They invaded in 2014 and never left.

Nah wasn't an invasion, also 2014 what you're talking about is Crimea. Heck it was always Russian and it's no surprise they requested Russian protection and annexation before the hardcore Washington funded Nazi boys made their way there.

What I'm talking about is the genocide of the Eastern region since 2014 that Ukraine has been carrying out for the past 8 years that you don't seem to grasp or just choose to ignore.

originally posted by: WanderingMrM

originally posted by: MidnightWatcher
a reply to: WanderingMrM

They invaded in 2014 and never left.

Nah wasn't an invasion, also 2014 what you're talking about is Crimea. Heck it was always Russian and it's no surprise they requested Russian protection and annexation before the hardcore Washington funded Nazi boys made their way there.

What I'm talking about is the genocide of the Eastern region since 2014 that Ukraine has been carrying out for the past 8 years that you don't seem to grasp or just choose to ignore.

I know EXACTLY what you're referring to.

Ukraine has a right to defend itself from foreign invasions.

Only russia pretended russia wasn't there, it never fooled anyone

originally posted by: Salamandy
now what is the general consensus on what is about to go down, given the recent developments at 3pm moscow time?

i predict headlines will be about politicians spouting off. then next week, putin threatens nukes, usa says "you better not"

As I said countless times here, won't be nuke and expect America and NATO telling Zelensky to throw Ukraine under the bus and actually attack Russia.

To which as an answer Putin will actually use those fun hypersonic missiles against Kyiv and Lviv, which will either be a continuous hail storm of them or 1 with the same newly developed payload of the updated weapon they used to end the Chechen war.

So it is up to America and NATO to decide now, if they will throw Ukraine and Zelensky under the bus.

originally posted by: MidnightWatcher

originally posted by: WanderingMrM

originally posted by: MidnightWatcher
a reply to: WanderingMrM

They invaded in 2014 and never left.

Nah wasn't an invasion, also 2014 what you're talking about is Crimea. Heck it was always Russian and it's no surprise they requested Russian protection and annexation before the hardcore Washington funded Nazi boys made their way there.

What I'm talking about is the genocide of the Eastern region since 2014 that Ukraine has been carrying out for the past 8 years that you don't seem to grasp or just choose to ignore.

I know EXACTLY what you're referring to.

Ukraine has a right to defend itself from foreign invasions.

Only russia pretended russia wasn't there, it never fooled anyone

I don't think you do, because the two locations are completely different situations.

One was an actual involvement of Russian forces, the other was asking Russia to do the same there but Russia said we can't on legal grounds as the referendum did not take place yet. So out of fear Kyiv and their Nazi boys started shelling the sh*t out of it, and so the Eastern region military formed their civilian battalions to fight against Kyiv.

So we should be asking Ukraine why it decided to genocide ethnic Russians in the Eastern regions and continued to do so for the past 8 years!

Furthermore, most of the civilian battalions that were formed, were also filled with international volunteers.

a reply to: WanderingMrM

So which weapon?

So 8 year long genocide is a bull # reason and a pathetic excuse?

To invade another nation over what amounts to internal matters, yes.

Else America, Russia, France, Germany, take your pick would have invaded the UK over the troubles in Northern Ireland which lasted a hell of a lot longer than 8 years.

Where America is concerned, well the treatment of the indigenous population should surely have provoked Mexico, Canada, and Russia to invade there.

Accept that did not happen did it, so nor should Russia attempt to invade their neighbors over internal conflict.

The U.S and NATO dont want to give you anything now aside from a wide berth, same with the rest of the civilized world and for a very long time should Putin and Russia keep up there antics.

They are about a ball hair away from getting flung out regarding permanent membership in the UN security council truth be told.

World pariahs and outcasts, all of their own making down to Putins whims.

Good luck with that mate.

My dinners out, gammon steak with pineapple and new baby potatoes.

Have fun, im away for a munch.

a reply to: andy06shake

It is done... the 4 regions are now permanent Russian land, so if NATO and America give Zelensky the green light to be suicidal enough. Russia can take its gloves off, dust off the good old war hat, and use some retro fitted hypersonic dagger missiles with new generation thermobaric payloads. The new generation one is about 10x - 15x as powerful as the 2 that were used in Chechnya, plus they haven't been used yet for them to be categorized as illegal by the U.N.


Let's see who makes the first move


I do wonder if Zelensky is suicidal enough, and if NATO and America is truly willing to sacrifice Ukraine this way... *rubs chin with curiosity*


Whatever happens now happens, don't worry Russia won't go back on its word and will rebuild just like they did with Chechnya

At least we can rely on Russia's word and promise, unlike America which promised to rebuild Iraq, Lybia, Syria, Afghanistan and Yugoslavia but instead left the regions still razed and completely rekt.

a reply to: WanderingMrM

It is done... the 4 regions are now permanent Russian land,

To the tune of 96% approval ratings no less.

Is that a flying pig i spy out the window?

The only move to be made of any significance would be Vladimir shooting a nuke off prematurely.

The first move is yours methinks.

Mind that nasty winter that's approaching.

Coz Ukraine is not stopping and neither will the weather.

Meep meep.

originally posted by: andy06shake
a reply to: WanderingMrM

It is done... the 4 regions are now permanent Russian land,

To the tune of 96% approval ratings no less.

Is that a flying pig i spy out the window?

The only move to be made of any significance would be Vladimir shooting a nuke off prematurely.

First move is your methinks.

Mind that nasty winter that's approaching.

Coz Ukraine is not stopping and nether will the weather.

Meep meep.

Who's gonna give Ukraine heat and food? When their own government sold off millions in aid to foreign militia overseas?


My friend as I stated Putin doesn't need to use a nuke against Ukraine, the nukes are for Murika and NATO to stay out


Also no surprise there at such high numbers, the Eastern region is riddled with ethnic Russians and Ukrainians who faced oppression from Kyiv constantly. Furthermore, historically the region saw the most messed up sh*t under Bandera's collaboration during WW2, so Kyiv oppressing and defiling the memory of WW2 veterans also played its part in hating the current Nazi government and wanting to be reunited with Russia.


Even if as you probably suspect the votes were lower, it would have been well over 70% anyway

a reply to: WanderingMrM

So which weapon???

Who's gonna give Ukraine heat and food? When their own government sold off millions in aid to foreign militia overseas?

They had plenty of heat and food before Russia invaded did they not?

My friend as I stated Putin doesn't need to use a nuke against Ukraine, the nukes are for Murika and NATO to stay out

Then why does he keep on saying he is willing to do just that? LoL

Also no surprise there at such high numbers, the Eastern region is riddled with ethnic Russians and Ukrainians who faced oppression from Kyiv constantly. Furthermore, historically the region saw the most messed up sh*t under Bandera's collaboration during WW2, so Kyiv oppressing and defiling the memory of WW2 veterans also played its part in hating the current Nazi government and wanting to be reunited with Russia.

Well for a start how you have a referendum in states that are only half occupied is beyond me.

People turning up at your door with ballot boxes under armed escort hardly amounts to free voting, or anything reminiscent of such.

96% my arse, even your lies are piss poor pathetic!

Even if as you probably suspect the votes were ""lower"", it would have been well over 70% anyway

See that's really an admission that you know they are full of # if ever there was one.

a reply to: andy06shake

Oh I know

But I also know for a fact that 70% would have voted for it in those regions, so no surprises there!

Also the reason for armed escorts is because of the threats received against the referendum and violence promised against the individuals who went door to door so people could vote.

Anyway, now we wait to see what happens next, I do wonder though if Zelya will retire in Switzerland with his billion-dollar bank accounts and the sexy citizenship he and his family got given

Putin keeps saying he will do just that if NATO or America don't back off and choose not to stay the f out of this situation!

However, as I stated the new generation of thermobaric payloads just 6-8 of them so 3 - 4 for Kyiv and Lviv will be enough to raze the cities entirely and make Ukraine surrender.

That's what will happen if instead of backing off Zelensky under the direct command of NATO and America shells what now is Russia and causes actual civilian deaths.

The game is about to get real!

a reply to: andy06shake

Oh also Putin just called NATO's and America's bluff, they threatened him with direct involvement if he does go through with the referendum and annexation.


So let's see who blinks first?

a reply to: WanderingMrM

So which weapon?

Still dying to know what that is to be honest.

Oh I know

And so now do we.

But I also know for a fact that 70% would have voted for it in those regions, so no surprises there!

Yet fail to be able to account for they managed to poll states that are only half occupied. LoL

The game was lost 3 days after Putin's failed invasion truth be told, but i canny teach pork.

Board now, have fun.

Pint time on my end.

a reply to: WanderingMrM

Utter nonsense.

Russia admits to about 500 kia in Donbas. Before 2022. Ukraine had almost put the rebellion down in the east by late summer 2014, until the Russians decided they couldn't have that. They had already taken Crimea and wanted more.

Putin is doing everything he can to draw NATO into this directly but so far, he's the only one that has taken the bait. That probably wasn't in the playbook back in Feb until the parade to Kiev turned into a half year of destruction, escalations, gains, losses, and by this point, the loss of materiel in Ukraine for the Russians has to be in the 10 of billions, if not 100 billion or more. That number would depend on what value you place upon the soldiers, which Russia has shown to put little value on. And that doesn't even consider the cost of the destruction and displaced peoples.

Many players caused the conditions that found Putin rolling over the border in Feb, including Putin himself. And over a very long period of time. Putins gamble looks to be a bad one. He's made his gambit to get the south of Ukraine. I have doubts about his holding it and I expect to see partisan activity to ramp up quickly. It took the US a couple of years of occupation before they had to have their surge in Iraq. Putin needs it in less than a year. But this ain't the US adding 20-25K personnel,trained soldiers and another several thousand pmcs, this is a yet to be known number of conscripts. The Russians, after seven months of fighting, still have not secured, nor do they look capable of securing, air superiority. As a supporter of Russia and believer in Putins cause , that piece of information should bring you shame. But I'm sure it's just because the Russians haven't had their best planes and pilots in the war yet.