It's About To Go Down...

Everything is black and white. If Putin is the bad guy, that means Biden is the good guy.

But no one is the good guy. As soon as you realize that you can start speaking the truth about what's happening. But then you'll find speaking the truth makes you a bad guy because somethings aren't always the bad guys fault. But acknowledging this means you're the bad guy. So just do whatever the government says and shut up.

originally posted by: andy06shake
a reply to: Salamandy

I get where you are coming from also Salamandy.

Florida for instance is a mess right now.

Fact of the matter is that we will always have money for war.

Which is rather pathetic really.

Again though America is part of NATO and they are behind Ukraine and wish to see the Russian invasion repelled.

NATO follows the old ethos one for all and all for one mate.

I think drafting people is a bad idea, for a start it did not work out too well for Russia aka their conscription dilemma.

Money for war but not for cleaning up own room!

Nah NATO and America want to see Russia fall, they get hard just thinking about it.

They lick their lips every time they even start scheming or planning something to cause the collapse or divide of Russia.

Just lucky Russia no longer has Stalin, he wouldn't have been that humane and just dealt with Ukraine in the first day.

That's why I laugh when people are comparing Putin with Hitler/Stalin, seriously feels like no one reads history books anymore or the true attrocities that happened under those two.

Putin in comparison is a boy scout, hell America and NATO alone did more truly horrific things in the last 20 years than Putin has during his whole career.

I mean who thought it would be a good idea to install a puppet government in Kyiv that worships Stepan Bandera as a national hero, someone who gave the SS a run for its money back in the day. And then thought Russians would not get a bit edgy or paranoid afterward or especially when neighboring nations started tearing down all memorials and statues to Russian soldiers who fell during WW2. Better yet when in Ukraine they banned WW2 veterans who were on the Russian side to celebrate victory day publicly?

Sorry to say but what is happening in Ukraine is literally the result of E.U, America and NATO completely. Yes, we can blame Putin for the special operation but what caused it is the funded radical child they gave birth to after the Maydan Revolution. Not to mention a a Nazi worshipping and loving child, that they then trained for 8 years funded and gave weapons to kill ethnic Russians in Lugansk and Donetsk. But hey! None of that happened right?

a reply to: WanderingMrM

Money for war but not for cleaning up own room!

Well Putin seems to have had the money to invade Ukraine.

If there is a place on Earth that needs to clean house more than Russia i think you may be hard pushed to find it.

NATO is threatening no one with the use of nuclear weapons.

Fact of the matter is they dont need to.

Russia on the other hand well again see your Man Putin and hear the very words utter forth from his puss.

They will always have money for war pal, and thats just the way the world spins, unfortunate as the case may be.

a reply to: WanderingMrM

The real question we should be asking is - Would Zelensky be dumb enough to attack what now is Russian territory and Russia itself

Ukraine has been successfully attacking military targets inside actual russia for months, what makes you think anything's gonna change in the new pretend russia?

So while Nazi boys with actual swastikas, carrying Bandera insignia and slogans killed the ethnic population of the Eastern region. No one batted an eye or stood up and said "Stop it Ukraine, this isn't right!", may I ask why all the evidence that was provided was swept under the rug? Why all journalists who filmed it suddenly were discredited and basically had all the footage confiscated?

Can we answer these things? Why it was alright for Ukraine to kill those in the Eastern region? Where was the United Nations and the world's solidarity?

Like I am legitimately curious about this! Where Ukrainians bombed the Eastern region daily for 8 years and no one batted an eye or when the Ukrainian military shelled a parade that was held for the school year starting for children?

Can someone answer where was America, NATO, E.U, U.N, Amnesty International or O.B.S.E ? The f*ck were they guys?

Or when similar horrific stuff was happening in Iraq, Lybia, Syria, Yugoslavia, etc? Where were these so called organizations?

I seem to recall only China and Russia voicing their opinions on this and pushing for something to be done, but each time they got ignored and written off as disinformation or rumors, etc.

This is what disgusts me about the current political environment, no one bats an eye, no one says anything. Yet they give the excuse of "Those were different situations", right... the only reason it is different is because Russia fought back!

originally posted by: MidnightWatcher
a reply to: WanderingMrM

The real question we should be asking is - Would Zelensky be dumb enough to attack what now is Russian territory and Russia itself

Ukraine has been successfully attacking military targets inside actual russia for months, what makes you think anything's gonna change in the new pretend russia?

Mmm so far with no casualties on the Russian side.

Putin just wants them now to fire and cause actual civilian casualties, he's just waiting for it to happen so he can do what needs to be done and it can finally be classified as a proper war.

He's waiting for NATO and America to tell Zelensky to keep shelling, so he can take the gloves off and really hit Ukraine with bare knuckles and make it a legal war.

And no NATO and America won't do anything, they'll throw Ukraine under the bus. It's sad really but it is what it is, Ukrainians chose a puppet and a Nazi government to lead them. Then had them keep jabbing the bear with a stick, it's going to be bloody as encounters with a bear go so there are no surprises there!

Let's just hope it will be over quick once the sledge hammer comes down!

a reply to: andy06shake

Imagine if instead of war, Putin spent the money on relocating russians who felt persecuted or treated unfairly in Ukraine. Then spent the rest on a propaganda campaign to show the ills of the zelenski regime.

Sure NATO pushed putin, but invading ukraine made the made most of the world turn against Russia.

a reply to: WanderingMrM

Except Ukraine's nazi problem doesnt justify a war that will cause 1000x more damage.

Its like how the U.S. invaded iraq and afghanistan because of WMDs and terrorists.

Yet, U.S. invasion if iraq and afghanistan caused 1000x more casualities than any terrorist caused.

Russia is just using the similair excuses to justify war which does far more harm than any potential good.

originally posted by: CptGreenTea
a reply to: andy06shake

Imagine if instead of war, Putin spent the money on relocating russians who felt persecuted or treated unfairly in Ukraine. Then spent the rest on a propaganda campaign to show the ills of the zelenski regime.

Sure NATO pushed putin, but invading ukraine made the made most of the world turn against Russia.

He actually has for the past 8 years, but it was all swept under the rug.

Hell man Russian television showed Ukrainian Azov battalion members crucifying a prisoner of war, stringing up an Eastern region child and cutting him until he bled out because he called them Nazis due to his parents dying during the shellings, etc. So many things were provided as evidence, but always swept under a rug or blocked from being shown to the European public.

I'm telling you there is a reason Russians call the current Ukrainian military and government one on par with the Nazis, the sh*t that was done is beyond the so-called label of heroes we've given them.

a reply to: CptGreenTea

Imagine if instead of war, Putin spent the money on relocating russians who felt persecuted or treated unfairly in Ukraine.

Some people may call that ethnic cleansing mate, which seldom ever bodes well far as im lead to believe.

Then spent the rest on a propaganda campaign to show the ills of the zelenski regime.

Good luck highlighting one without the other.

Sure NATO pushed putin, but invading ukraine made the made most of the world turn against Russia.

Most of the civilized world do indeed seem to be against Russia's war in Ukraine.

They don't seem over fond of the idea of Putin using nukes nether if we are honest.

originally posted by: CptGreenTea
a reply to: WanderingMrM

Except Ukraine's nazi problem doesnt justify a war that will cause 1000x more damage.

Its like how the U.S. invaded iraq and afghanistan because of WMDs and terrorists.

Yet, U.S. invasion if iraq and afghanistan caused 1000x more casualities than any terrorist caused.

Russia is just using the similair excuses to justify war which does far more harm than any potential good.

My friend Russia had more reasons to launch the special operation than America ever had when it came to Iraq, Lybia, Syria, Afghanistan or Yugoslavia.

The genocide of ethnic Russians in the Eastern region, and the atrocities committed were enough as is. However instead of an all-out war Putin went with the special operation and made it more humane, so please don't compare U.S wars with the Special Operation that Russia launched. The damage caused and numbers of lives taken hasn't even reached the same numbers, nor the reasoning for it because the U.S wars were based on way more b.s grounds while at least Russia had real reasons to do it.

This might sound harsh, but 8 years of putting up with the genocide, daily shelling and war crimes that were ignored is enough to make any rational leader to finally say "Ok it's time to take action".

It's something many of you don't realize that has been happening over in the Eastern region, and when the world ignores it and all organizations sweep it under a rug. Clearly it means that things are being ignored on purpose because hey "It's only Russians", and I'm sorry to say this but this is more than just NATO moving closer, America funding Nazis.

Do you guys think other Russian leaders before Putin would have allowed this? Hell no! The only ones that would have are Gurba (Gorbachev) or Yeltsin the drunk, everyone before them would have razed Ukraine to the ground in the first hours.

So for 8 years Putin was trying to make the West see reason, raised concerns, offered deals and proposed agreements. However all that horrific sh*t continued and everything was sweapt under the rug! Yet we dare blame Russians for launching this special operation and threatening to nuke America or Europe?

If this were Americans or Europeans being killed, Ukraine would have been wiped out in the first day of the first report hitting the desk of any politician in those countries.

You all are truly wilding and acting all surprised Russians and Putin resorted to this!

a reply to: WanderingMrM

The strangest thing about this is that China doesn't need to declare or start a war with the US to take it over. They could do it with mass migration. China isn't going to miss a couple hundred million people and I am quite sure the Democrat Government would gladly accomodate the move.

What part of that does the CCP not understand? The US is ripe for takeover by mass migration. The borders are open, the busses are running............it's so easy and obvious.

a reply to: WanderingMrM

Putin don't look or sound very rational to me WanderingMrM.

Quite frankly he looks to be on the brink and could be doing with a good sleep.

And things that happen in Ukraine are internal matters.

Wonder what would have happened should Ukraine have chosen to invade Russia over their war with Chechnya?

a reply to: TonyS

The strangest thing about this is that China doesn't need to declare or start a war with the US to take it over.

They did apparently find the place shortly before Columbus.

Then again the Vikings beat them both.

a reply to: WanderingMrM

This might sound harsh, but 8 years of putting up with the genocide, daily shelling and war crimes that were ignored is enough to make any rational leader to finally say "Ok it's time to take action

Were the "rational leader's" troops on the wrong side of a border when this occured?

Ukraine has the right to defend itself from foreign invasions.




Didn't see any need to read past that whopper.

originally posted by: andy06shake
a reply to: WanderingMrM

Putin don't look or sound very rational to me WanderingMrM.

Quite frankly he looks to be on the brink and could be doing with a good sleep.

And things that happen in Ukraine are internal matters.

Wonder what would have happened should Ukraine have chosen to invade Russia over their war with Chechnya?

Putin would have used the same weapon he used in Chechnya on Ukraine that same year.

So there wouldn't have been a Ukraine right now!

Things that happened in Ukraine became Russian matters when Russians started being targeted specifically.

a reply to: WanderingMrM

russians started being targeted specifically

Were russian troops on the wrong side of a border at the time?

Did putin expect sunflower parades in his honor?

originally posted by: TonyS
a reply to: WanderingMrM

The strangest thing about this is that China doesn't need to declare or start a war with the US to take it over. They could do it with mass migration. China isn't going to miss a couple hundred million people and I am quite sure the Democrat Government would gladly accomodate the move.

What part of that does the CCP not understand? The US is ripe for takeover by mass migration. The borders are open, the busses are running............it's so easy and obvious.

Nah as I said China is gonna make bank when the U.S collapses and the revolution/civil war breaks out!

They'll take over some places as part of the deal, but right now there is no point to attack directly.

As I mentioned China and Russia have Eastern Europe, SEA and the Pacific in mind, they don't need America it will bury itself just like Western Europe will!

Grandpa Xi and Grandpa Putin, have calculated it all exactly as needed.

They weren't expecting Americans to take out Europe this winter by taking out the pipelines though! So maybe this was an act of friendly gesture on America's part as saying "Here is Europe you can leave us alone for now"???

a reply to: WanderingMrM

Putin is no Boy Scout.

Boy Scouts don’t indiscriminately kill hostages in order to maybe get the bad guys too.