What a terrible day - 21 dead most are children

a reply to: iwanttobelieve70

2a. Probably best to go to university after graduating high school if you want a decent job.

Although a hands-on apprenticeship or the like is just as good in this day of age depending on the career.

So there is that.

3 and 4 i tend to agree with.

99.9 percent of all problems not just mass shooters will be taken care of.

That's the debatable part, everyone being a product of society you see.

Not all nutters had a bad childhood, there are other factors that come into play.

a reply to: iwanttobelieve70

The AR-15, just like its military version, "is designed to kill people quickly and in large numbers", and can easily be converted to automatic hence the term assault rifle.

And im sure the type of people that commit mass shootings would not be retarded via the mandatory 10 years in federal prison plus the accompanying $10000 fine.

Guess you wish to call it a "style rifle"?

They should be banned imho.

You simply wish to split hairs.

Boston Marathon Bombers caused a whole lotta hurt without using one single gun

The explosions killed 3 civilians and injured an estimated 265 others, who were treated at 27 local hospitals. At least 14 people required amputations, with some suffering traumatic amputations as a direct result of the blasts.

Bad people will hurt and kill no matter what laws or actions we try to take.

Democrat Senate leader Chuck Schumer blocks SCHOOL SAFETY ACT legislation.

www.foxnews.com...

a reply to: iwanttobelieve70

You are practicing nazi ways and you don’t even realize that. It’s a shame mate. One day we will have to come save your sorry buts again.

There we were, having a nice, polite and reasoned debate and then the inevitable.....

Still, it did take 14 pages.....a lot more than I thought it would.

originally posted by: baggy7981

originally posted by: tamusan
How did the people get this way? Those reasons are what really needs to be addressed.

The internet and violent video games. It's no coincidence that the most popular games are mostly multiplayer shooters.

that's a load of BS.

violent games aren't new. are they more realistic than ever? yes. but if a kid has a problem to differentiate between a game and reality, then said kid needs mental care, not access to video games.

also, violent games are rated 18+/M for a reason. if you wanna blame someone for the fact that interactive, violent multiplayer game can negatively influence kid's behaviour, blame his moronic parents that let him play it.

same thing with the internet, access by children should be monitored.

and finally, what do you think has worse influence on a kid, a session of GTA V, or watching his country and its citizens go to sh.t? people are screaming at each other, fighting each other, plenty of which is certain to show up inside homes of less-than-ideal families, and you wanna blame video games, when the whole environment of a kid these days screams bloody murder?

get real.

originally posted by: PatriotGames4u
a reply to: Freeborn


September might work for me, maybe we should start a thread and see if we can get a larger ATS group to join.

i would love to, if i can afford it.

i want to get to London about that time, for Roxy Music's 50th anniversary tour at the O2. i saw them in boston in 75'.maybe get to see Stonehenge too.

Brave little fellow.

originally posted by: Freeborn
a reply to: NoMoreFools

On top of that, no amendment, which the 2a is one, has ever been amended.

Doesn't mean to say that it either shouldn't be or couldn't be.

330 mil people?

i'm not sure even the military could handle the job on the streets. they would have to federalize every cop in the nation. and that would never pass.
last thing we want is centralized gun control in the hands of DC.that would be commie stuff.
like abortion, it should be up to the states.

originally posted by: andy06shake

Brave little fellow.

In a while some of the assholes here will be calling that boy a paid actor, like they do SH.

Forgive me for this

The most horrible and tearjerking story about all of this is a little girl who tried to call 911 and was cut down

WHEN ARE YOU PEOPLE GOING TO WAKE THE # UP!!!!

I think NEVER

until its too late

So sad. The husband of one of the teachers who died, just died today of a heart attack. I consider him a victim of this too.

originally posted by: frogs453
So sad. The husband of one of the teachers who died, just died today of a heart attack. I consider him a victim of this too.

He left 4 kids. No words at all.

originally posted by: frogs453
So sad. The husband of one of the teachers who died, just died today of a heart attack. I consider him a victim of this too.

Oh no, jeezus, life is so f'ing cruel sometimes

a reply to: andy06shake

Aye China done it, was wondering how long it would take you to blame the Chinese.

There is something wrong with you. Or your just strive to intellectually dishonest.

The context of my posts…..

Your also ignoring it’s hard to impossible in the USA to commit people in the USA to mental health treatment until they commit a crime and are actually sentenced in some way of a crime. Which is even getting harder as judges are under pressure to reduce bail by BML and defund the police movement.


Lots of issues you cherry pick


The USA does have a history of politicians making crappy laws and decisions that create a crisis that then gives them mandates from the population to allow them to legislate and limit civil liberties.

What better job security than create crisis after crisis and dupe people into thinking the political elites that created the problem are the only one’s that can save them.

I’ll come out and post it.

If you don’t think the liberal political elite in the USA aren’t salivating over China’s social credit system and the authoritative power shown by China during covid. And don’t understand how gun control is part of gaining that desired authoritarian power. Your an idiot.

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Now. Quote where I blamed the gun violence on China?

originally posted by: AtomicKangaroo
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pretty sad people put their 'rights' to own firearms over the rights of others to live.
...

In 2013 Obama ordered a study on firearms and safety to see if he could convince people to give up our second amendment right. What his research group found was the opposite of what Obama and leftist like you believe. I have posted links to that research for several years now, and despite the fact that such FACTS debunk every lie being told by you "gun control freaks" a few months go by, you ignore or forget every single fact and continue to ramble about wanting gun control.

Here is a link to that study itself.

Priorities for Research to Reduce the Threat of Firearm-Related Violence

Fact, more lives are saved by firearms, than are lost by firearms.

Every year up to 2.5 million people in the U.S. use firearms to save themselves, or family members. INCLUDING CHILDREN/MINORS using firearms, INCLUDING AR-15s.

On page 45 you find this interesting fact.

...
Individual Risk and Protective Factors

...
The NCVS has estimated 60,000 to 12 0,000 defensive uses of guns per
year. On the basis of data from 1992 and 1994, the NCVS found 116,000
incidents (McDowall et al., 1998). Another body of research estimated
annual gun use for self-defense to be much higher, up to 2.5 million inci-
dents, suggesting that self-defense can be an important crime deterrent
(Kleck and Gertz, 1995). Some studies on the association between self-
defensive gun use and injury or loss to the victim have found less loss
and injury when a firearm is used (Kleck, 2001b).
...

Priorities for Research to Reduce the Threat of Firearm-Related Violence

Literally millions of lives have been saved through the use of firearms by law abiding individuals.

What happened in Texas was horrible. But there are already over 20,000 state and federal gun control laws in place. What makes you think CRIMINALS will be stopped adding more laws which ONLY RESTRICT LAW ABIDING AMERICANS?...

a reply to: sarahvital


Do airlines still offer group rates, maybe we could throw an ATS (not official of course) party in London and travel around the country a bit?

I also want to see Germany, the last time I was there they had just started to rebuild East Berlin after russia left.

a reply to: neutronflux

**SOME** try to avoid on this topic is the FACT that to the left, including democrat leaders, if you belong to the Republican party, if you hold conservative views, if you believe in the second amendment alone and in self defense you and I have mental health problems which are enough to deny our second amendment right, and even our first amendment right...

For DECADES democrat leaders have been trying to pass such laws which aim at targeting their political opponents, and they won't stop. The worse part is that if such laws do pass both the House and the Senate then the left will be able to completely disarm people based on our political beliefs, aka if you lean to the right in politics is enough for DEMOCRAT LEADERS and leftists to deny us every single right. Ironic because these are some of the same tactics the NAZIS used, alongside other socialist and communist dictators.

Diagnosing Conservatism as a Mental Illness

To the socially conservative — mental health is real.

Heck, remember these are the same people who kept claiming President Trump was mentally unstable for having conservative views. If they did this to a POTUS, just for having conservative views, you think democrat leaders/the left will not do the same to regular Americans?...

Harvard Psychologist: Trump Has ‘Serious’ Mental Health Problem

Trump's 'Mental Impairment Means He Cannot Think Strategically or in Abstract Terms,' Claims Professor of Psychiatry

Look at this claim for example, and what these imbeciles seem unable to understand.

...The group believes President Trump suffers from a combination of anti-social personality disorders and extreme narcissism.

He’s the type of person, according to Dr Gartner, who would “routinely violate the rights of others, lie and have no remorse”.
...

Donald Trump has 'dangerous mental illness', warn psychiatric experts

These are the same type of morons who believed that "Trump's mean tweets" are/were worse than the unconstitutional policies, laws and actions that Obama passed, and now we have China Biden who is even worse than Obama.

Obama set the IRS to target conservatives. Obama set his stooges to spy on AL AMERICANS and even on a Presidential candidate and a POTUS IN THE WHITE HOUSE.
Obama didn't write "mean tweets" asking so called journalists to tell the truth, but he sent journalists to prison for not revealing their sources. Obama spied on Congress, spied on real journalists and set in motion unconstitutional laws such as "indefinite detention."

Yet the left/anti-Trump crowd think we are stupid enough to believe "Trump's mean tweets" make/made him a dictator when EVERY SINGLE TIME democrat/left-wing leaders have proven to be the dictators except for John F. Kennedy....who was murdered most likely under orders from another DEMOCRAT, Lyndon B. Johnson. At least that's what Jacqueline Kennedy Onassis asserted, which she would only have mentioned if her husband had talked to her about it.

Now China Biden and democrat leaders have labeled PARENTS who dare criticize CRT and the sexual indoctrination of children as young as 5-6 years old as "domestic terrorists." Democrat leaders, including China Biden, keep claiming that the biggest thread to the U.S. are Trump supporters whom these idiots claim "they are all racists/white supremacists..."