Supreme Court Draft Decision Would Strike Down Roe v. Wade

originally posted by: loam
a reply to: olaru12

Really? What evidence?

My Republican boss when I'm a media geek during GOP campaigns. He knows things...

a reply to: Brassmonkey

The amount of gymnastics it takes to have this type of false equivalency is astounding. Hello it’s called the civil rights act of 1964. The court has ruled on gay marriages and I see no connection legally at all.

The Civil Rights Act didn't legalize interracial marriage. It was Loving v. Virginia. And as you pointed out, gay marriage was also legalized by the courts in Obergefell v. Hodges.

The reason these two other cases are brought up in conjunction with Roe v. Wade is because, much like Roe v. Wade, they're not backed up by laws passed by Congress. So if the courts can overturn Roe v. Wade, making access to abortions decided at the state level, what's to stop then from overturning those other two cases removing federal protections for interracial marriage and same sex marriage?

originally posted by: olaru12

originally posted by: Xcathdra
a reply to: JinMI

This is the first time in SCOTUS history where a draft was leaked. An law enforcement investigation into how it was leaked and who leaked it is underway.


My guess it was done by one of the liberal justices or the chief justice.

If its a justice then they need to be impeached / removed from the bench.

Already there is evidence that Alito himself leaked it.

To get a second opinion?

2 year Pandemic
Inflation 50 year high
Supply chain breakdowns
Possible Nuclear Holocaust and WW3
Russia invades Ukraine

And…..let’s throw a cigarette lighter into the bon fire with
Abortion and likely overturning Roe vs. Wade

As a long time lurker and sometimes poster of ATS I am super excited about the benevolent aliens from the Galactic Empire that show in the sky in about 2 months on the 4th of July!

Save us Will Smith!!!!!!

( I mean it totally makes sense if they came tomorrow I would not be suprised!!)

originally posted by: olaru12

originally posted by: Xcathdra
a reply to: JinMI

This is the first time in SCOTUS history where a draft was leaked. An law enforcement investigation into how it was leaked and who leaked it is underway.


My guess it was done by one of the liberal justices or the chief justice.

If its a justice then they need to be impeached / removed from the bench.

Already there is evidence that Alito himself leaked it.

It was Alitos draft and I seriously doubt it was him. Just because it was his draft does not mean he leaked it. The draft opinions are written/typed/created and then they are sent to all justices for review / comment / etc.

Thank you for clarifying those court cases. As a libertarian I don’t see how it’s any of the government's business who gets married to who. Since marriage is a traditionally religious ceremony then I can’t see how the court or any state Supreme Court or state legislature could violate freedom of religion if they attempted to ban inter-racial or gay marriage.

I am of the same opinion with abortion. Let the people of each state decide what’s legal and what’s not legal. But the constitution restrains the governments power. The constitution does not give the government power.

The difference between inter ratial or gay marriage is these things are protected by freedom of religion clause and I think the Equal protection clause.

And with abortion no one can agree when life starts and also why is it when a woman is murdered with a fetus the state prosecutes two homicides if that isn’t a human being?

a reply to: Xcalibur254

The liberals kind of shot themselves in the foot over this lately. Their biggest argument for pro choice is a woman has the right to make decisions about their body and the state doesn't.

Now that we are in 2022

1. The state can and will not only make medical decisions for each of us they will mandate it too. So much for my body my choice statement.

2. There is no such thing as "woman" anymore, so don't be saying men can not debate on this topic. Those that we call human incubators will need to follow the laws as they come forth as there is no such thing as "women rights" anymore.

Sorry, you dems created all this and now you will need to live with it....

Last year I made some comments about "there goes my body my choice" and that all this Vaccine mandate opens the door to reverse Roe vs Wade.

originally posted by: JinMI
a reply to: Xcathdra

FFS, its a misdemeanor.

Risk v reward is apt unfortunately.

You would also need to look at the implications of leaking the document. Protests / Riots , property destruction, injuries to person, to private homes / private businesses, injuries to 3rd parties, law enforcement...

A misdemeanor can quickly become a major felony.

a reply to: olaru12

In other words, there is no such evidence.

a reply to: Xcathdra

Maybe.

If history is any indication, theyll be able to acquire the best council, bail, clout and a cushy job in media somewhere.

originally posted by: olaru12

originally posted by: loam
a reply to: olaru12

Really? What evidence?

My Republican boss when I'm a media geek during GOP campaigns. He knows things...

Oh thats the bar for sources?

I know a guy that said it was leaked from the hollow moon based off metadata......

a reply to: Xcathdra

When Ashton Embry was arrested in 1919 for leaking Supreme Court decisions to Wall Street investors the DOJ struggled to come up with a crime to charge him with. They eventually went with conspiring “to deprive the United States of its lawful right and duty of promulgating information in the way and at the time required by law and at departmental regulation.”

The case was appealed up to the Supreme Court before being dismissed.

Granted that was over 100 years ago and new laws have come on the books but it's the only case I can find where someone was charged with leaking Supreme Court decisions. But it's hardly the only other time decisions have been leaked.

In fact, Roe v. Wade had a number of leaks surrounding. Including the final decision, which ended up being published by Time a few hours before the Court made their ruling.

originally posted by: Xcalibur254

The reason these two other cases are brought up in conjunction with Roe v. Wade is because, much like Roe v. Wade, they're not backed up by laws passed by Congress. So if the courts can overturn Roe v. Wade, making access to abortions decided at the state level, what's to stop then from overturning those other two cases removing federal protections for interracial marriage and same sex marriage?

I guess you can take it any direction you want. All law and order will die! We can take it the other way too in Roe vs Wade opens the door for whom ever is in power at the moment to dictate anything they want well outside the constitution.

Make the legal age of consent 8, or allow abortions up to 1 year after birth, as examples...

originally posted by: TheRedneck
a reply to: DBCowboy

The left sees abortion AS a contraceptive.

It does appear that way, doesn't it?

TheRedneck

629,898 abortions in 2019 alone, with more than half of those procedures carried out on those within their twenties.

In 2019, women in their 20s accounted for more than half of abortions (56.9%).

www.cdc.gov...
Tried to find more recent numbers as they are declining which isn't surprising after the last two years or so.

But yeah, I don't think a majority of those were life threatening.....at least not in a way a 20 something might define it.

a reply to: Brassmonkey

Normally I would agree with its none of the governments business but we need to remember that it is the purview of Congress to decide what official documents from one state must be accepted by another state.

As an example your drivers license, your marriage, court rulings, etc are only valid in the issuing state. The Full Faith and Credit clause of the US Constitution is what forces the other states to accept the drivers license, marriage, court actions (criminal and civil) etc.

US Constitution Article IV, section 1 - Full Faith and Credit Clause

originally posted by: loam
a reply to: olaru12

On other words, there is no such evidence.

Time will tell if he's wrong. Or we may never know for sure but you can bet the farm that Alito knew exactly what would happen if he leaked and he was correct.

originally posted by: Snarl

originally posted by: TzarChasm
"The only good liberal is a dead one"

Pretty sure I read that somewhere on this forum, more than a few times if memory serves.

You know conservatives get a PM from the Mods if we say that. So, if you read it on these boards, it was penned by a lefty.

Conservatives do appreciate these opportunities when we get to quote it in bold.

Sorry Snarl, you are mistaken on that..I promise you. I remember when these psycho things are said, and by who. Im not going to mention the who, because I have no beef..I shake my head and roll my eyes. But it's been said..definitely not a lefty by any stretch.

originally posted by: JinMI

originally posted by: olaru12

originally posted by: loam
a reply to: olaru12

Really? What evidence?

My Republican boss when I'm a media geek during GOP campaigns. He knows things...

Oh thats the bar for sources?

I know a guy that said it was leaked from the hollow moon based off metadata......

I don't know what the bar is set at but right wingers are already accusing the lib court interns and underling attorneys. What evidence do you offer.

Democrats politicians are already calling for people to riot and (probably) kill people.

Way to go lefties!



That's how to debate a position.

Threaten death.