Supreme Court Draft Decision Would Strike Down Roe v. Wade

a reply to: xuenchen

You asked for a citation, I gave one. 🐔

I asked for a citation from Alito's draft opinion that verifies that the federal government is forbidden to make abortion laws. You did not provide one. There is nothing, so far, in the SCOTUS opinion that keeps the federal government out of abortion issues and give those issues exclusively to state governments.

Congress people are promising to do just that.

a reply to: DBCowboy

Trouble is ... I've heard one to many people proclaiming that it's their absolute constitutional right to shoot a grown adult dead if they put a single foot on their property.

Often (though not always) these very same people are pro-life. Which, as a non-American, I find extremely difficult to reconcile.

What I do see in this debate is that one side is championing the human rights of the child while others are championing the rights of the mother. So in order to give one side rights you must first take them away from the other.

My solution, condoms, lots and lots of condoms.

Reduce unplanned pregnancies, reduce abortions.

Failing that, encourage men to take more cold showers, or to jack it instead.

Surely you can't object to that?

originally posted by: DBCowboy

originally posted by: AaarghZombies
a reply to: DBCowboy

How about you trade, gun laws for abortion laws.

Everybody wins, and everybody loses, but at least you get something that you want.

No.

I believe this is a human rights issue.

I also believe that the unborn human is, well, human.

But if we keep pushing the thought that the unborn humans aren't actually human beings, then it's easier to kill them.

for our prosperity human beings die every day somewhere in the world. from diseases. from hunger. children work themselves to death in some mines. our way of living is anything but pro-life. this topic is simply abused, from all sides.
the fate of the unborn child and the mother ultimately doesn't matter. it's just a tool in this endless war of ideologies.

do human rights also apply to women who have an abortion for medical/psychological reasons?

originally posted by: AaarghZombies
a reply to: DBCowboy

Trouble is ... I've heard one to many people proclaiming that it's their absolute constitutional right to shoot a grown adult dead if they put a single foot on their property.

You have my permission and support to shoot any unborn human that breaks into your home to steal your stuff.

a reply to: AaarghZombies

My solution, condoms, lots and lots of condoms.

You’ll find the American men that hate condoms are the same ones that don’t want abortions.

So I guess this is a good time to talk about Child Tax Credits, free school lunches and welfare accomodations for single mothers stuck in the cycle of poverty?

originally posted by: loufo

originally posted by: DBCowboy

originally posted by: AaarghZombies
a reply to: DBCowboy

How about you trade, gun laws for abortion laws.

Everybody wins, and everybody loses, but at least you get something that you want.

No.

I believe this is a human rights issue.

I also believe that the unborn human is, well, human.

But if we keep pushing the thought that the unborn humans aren't actually human beings, then it's easier to kill them.

do human rights also apply to women who have an abortion for medical/psychological reasons?

Could slave owners justify slavery because there will always be slaves some where in the world?

Could Hitler have justified the extermination of Jews because others hated Jews?

originally posted by: JAGStorm
a reply to: DBCowboy

And then women won't be able to own property. And then women won't be able to vote. Hyperbole much?

Plan B is already being questioned in Texas so how is that hyperbole?
www.texastribune.org...

Video: South Texans adapt to near-total abortion ban with Plan B pills and trips out of state

Court decisions have gone back and forth on the ban’s enforceability over several weeks. While the law’s constitutionality is questioned, the Biden administration has asked the U.S. Supreme Court to stop enforcement of the ban. The high court will hear two legal challenges to the law beginning at 9 a.m. Monday. For now, the near-total abortion ban is still being enforced.

They can question it all they want that doesnt mean they are going to ban it, they would have to out vote even the pro choice people to even do that, and thats not going to happen

Seeing a lot of "what ifs" on here

What if the sun stops tomorrow? What if i sprout wings tonight? What if this line of "what ifing" is absolutely stupid and weak strawmen to explain your emotional outbursts about something that doesnt stop abortions?

I Swear you people sure do want to kill babies in a BAD way

I'm not for or against abortion it should be the couples decision or if you do not want the child and you are healthy you should carry it to term and adopt it out if you do not want a child .


What if minds like Einstein were aborted and never had a chance to become who they were ? Great minds are born who knows the advancement we have missed out on because of abortion and the same goes to say what if Hitler was aborted we could have saved millions . So which hand is heavier ?

originally posted by: JAGStorm
a reply to: LSU2018

The alternative is saying no, using a rubber, or buying a bottle of plan B for those crazy nights.

Listen to what you are saying, what do you think plan B is!
You think plan B is going to stick around?

As for rape and incest, that is part of this whole thing. These sickos don't think it's ok to have an abortion during those times either. Imagine your wife or daughter getting raped by a thug and your states law says you can't, and you also can't go to another state. So you have to watch in horror as your loved one grows this demon seed!

Yes I know this is not the majority of case, but it absolutely DOES happen. What about those people?

I think Plan B is a current alternative to take right after sex to kill off the shot at getting preggerz, until it's no longer available. Or perhaps I'm getting Plan B and morning after pills mixed up.

I haven't seen anyone on here or in the real world say that they're against a rape/incest victim having the fetus/child aborted. Even in that scenario, a Plan B/morning after pill would be an alternative to avoid clinics. If abortion were illegal here in Louisiana and my wife was raped and got pregnant, after I beat the guy within an inch of his life and stomp his nuts until there's nothing left, I'd improvise and drive her to the first available state to have a legal abortion. What I don't believe in is my wife and I having a slip-up and going in for an abortion because of our own actions. If that happens then we'll raise the child with no regrets and never look back.

a reply to: Sookiechacha

No you didn't. STOP deflecting and changing your narratives 🤣🤣🤣🤣

End of conversation 🤣🤣🤣🤣

originally posted by: frogs453
The fact that many health care plans will not cover birth control but will cover viagra tells you all you need to know about how they really feel about women.

Which health care plans?

a reply to: peaceinoutz

Bout time things started heading back to normal. I was thinking we were next in line to fall like the Roman Empire.

originally posted by: TzarChasm

originally posted by: DBCowboy

originally posted by: TzarChasm

originally posted by: DBCowboy
And already it has begun.

(and so it begins. . . )


The de-humanization of the unborn human.

Because if you don't think of them as living, growing, humans, then you can do whatever you want to them.

Explain to me why impregnation is considered a human right and abortion isn't. By law, any consenting adult of any background with any qualification or lack thereof is granted the ability to reproduce but not the ability to terminate gestation. If I didn't know better, I'd say this isn't about enforcing family values but making sure the population stays at peak numbers regardless of how many children are removed and rehoused by the state. If abortion is unethical and borderline sinful because human rights, it reasonably follows that parenthood must be licensed and regulated by the state to ensure the maximum welfare of children nationwide...because human rights. Unless that kind of thing stops being relevant the moment they are born?

An unborn living human is just that; an unborn living human.

Now you and others can try to de-humanize the unborn living human, but wouldn't you be ignoring the science?

Just like LSU, you either didn't read my remarks because it's a waste of your precious time, or you put minimal thought and energy into your response because it's a waste of your precious time. Why bother at all.

Perhaps your comment didn't come across as you intended and that's why everyone else is reading it different?

originally posted by: frogs453
a reply to: peaceinoutz

Unfortunately it will not end abortion. It will end safe abortion. Abortion has been around for 1000s of years. It only became a big issue in the late 1800s due to a Christian push. A pope once outlawed it in the 1500s but another Pope removed that within 100 years.

Women openly discussed with others herbs and other ways to end a pregnancy. We will just see more deaths, inability to get pregnant again, etc.

Cool story. Did you hear about that on the Smithsonian Channel, or maybe CNN?

a reply to: LSU2018

www.theguardian.com...

If abortion were illegal here in Louisiana and my wife was raped and got pregnant, after I beat the guy within an inch of his life and stomp his nuts until there's nothing left, I'd improvise and drive her to the first available state to have a legal abortion.

www.theguardian.com...

Lawmakers in Missouri weighed legislation early this year that would allow individuals to sue anyone helping a patient cross state lines for an abortion. The law was ultimately blocked in the state’s legislature, but experts expect such legislation to gain more support if Roe is weakened or overturned.

BTW just using "your" wife as an example, I honestly wouldn't wish that on my worst enemy, but unfortunately it does happen.
This is the slippery slope we are talking about, what happens when it is illegal to travel elsewhere?
I know people will say that doesn't exist right now, but these are all things that are hot topics in states.

Plan B is considered abortion, will it also be banned?
If you can't get an abortion in your state should be you allowed to travel to other states?
Will abortion bans be absolute?

a reply to: carewemust

The loudest (and lately, the most violent) voices win.

100% this was a leftist attack. They wanted to pressure the Justices to change votes before the final ruling.

Also a call to arms of the leftist base. There will be fire and mayhem in the streets by the end of the summer.

These midterms will be anything but normal.

Who cares! Diesel is almost 6 bucks a gallon. The price of food has doubled. The Dollar Store is no more. These are our problems not the ones created by the media.

a reply to: JAGStorm

Yes I know this is not the majority of case, but it absolutely DOES happen. What about those people?

What about those rare cases where innocent people get put in prison?

Again youre whatabouting to death, theres ALWAYS going to be a minority or small group of people that unfortunate things happen to

That SHOULD not dictate law, youre talking about less than 1% of cases here, are you serious?

I guess we should just take all guns away because some bad people use them for bad things hmmm?

This is the same argument youre throwing out

We have enough people controlling this country through emotional reactions, and its destroying us

originally posted by: xuenchen
a reply to: Sookiechacha

No you didn't. STOP deflecting and changing your narratives 🤣🤣🤣🤣

End of conversation 🤣🤣🤣🤣

Liar.
www.abovetopsecret.com...

originally posted by: Sookiechacha
a reply to: ManBehindTheMask
Actually, show me. Please site from the draft where it absolutely hands women's reproductive rights exclusively to the states. Show me where the draft opinion bars the federal government through Congress from banning abortion or codifying Roe V Wade.

originally posted by: xuenchen

originally posted by: Sookiechacha
a reply to: ManBehindTheMask

Actually it absolutely is retruend to states right

Actually, show me. Please site from the draft where it absolutely hands women's reproductive rights exclusively to the states. Show me where the draft opinion bars the federal government through Congress from banning abortion or codifying Roe V Wade.

If this decision nullifies R v W, The States will automatically have their own authority to legislate because the Federal Laws are silent. 🚬