Russia accused of massacre, genocide over Bucha

a reply to: Freeborn



Rainbows
Jane

a reply to: angelchemuel

I never said that NATO didn't have nuclear weapons placed in continental Europe, because I know they have.
I said there aren't any in Romania and Poland, because there aren't.

There is a Defence Missile System in place.
Originally claimed to be to protect from missile attacks from Iran....but its a different world we live in now.

Was placing such a Missile System so close to Russian borders provocative?
Quite possibly.
Was it necessary at the time?
Probably not, certainly not in the immediate aftermath of the Wall coming down etc.
But I'm bloody glad its there now!

I've never denied that NATO/EU/UK/US made some terrible policy decisions prior to this crisis.
But no-one has yet even attempted to answer the question as to why so many former USSR and Warsaw Pact regions and countries desperately sought out membership of NATO rather than maintain links with Russia.

And none of that can excuse Putin's invasion of Ukraine and the ongoing death and destruction or his attempts to use the threat of first strike nuclear weapons to get his own way and subjugate Ukraine and its people.

Putin could put a stop to the killing in an instant.

a reply to: Freeborn
Back to the UK v Pakistan thing and Russian Troll's claim about Pakistan, this just 4 hours ago...

Imran Khan has been removed from office of prime minister of Pakistan effective immediately, a newly released government release has said.

Link
Rainbows
Jane
PS the clue might be in this photo

originally posted by: angelchemuel
a reply to: Freeborn
Haven't read beyond your post, so my apologies if somebody has already replied.

Approximately 150 American B-61 nuclear gravity bombs are stationed in five countries in Europe: Belgium, Germany, the Netherlands, Italy and Turkey.

The nuclear sharing arrangement is part of the North Atlantic Treaty Organization’s (NATO) defence policy.

When these bombs were initially deployed, the original targets were eastern European states. But as the Cold War ended, and these states became part of the European Union and in some cases NATO itself, the practice has become provocative, destabilising and dangerous.

Up to 20 nuclear bombs are stored at each of the following: the Kleine Brogel air base in Belgium, the Büchel Air Base in Germany, and the Volkel air base in the Netherlands.

Around 70 bombs are stored in Italy, distributed between the Aviano and Ghedi air bases.

An estimated 50 bombs are stored at the Incirlik air base in Turkey. The wisdom of storing such a large nuclear weapons stockpile in such a volatile region must be in doubt. Particularly worrying is that the base is less than 70 miles from war-torn Syria.

While Turkey is officially an ally of the US, and a member of NATO, increased tensions in recent months have highlighted the potential risks of the current situation. In December 2019, Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdogan even threatened to close the base, which would leave the status of the nuclear weapons unclear.

more at the link
Romania.... granted this is from 2016...

EXCLUSIVE/ Two independent sources told euractiv.com that the US has started transferring nuclear weapons stationed in Turkey to Romania, against the background of worsening relations between Washington and Ankara.

Link
Then moving forwards to 2019 we have this....with a wee film of the display too.

NATO Shows Off Missile Base In Romania, Calling It 'Purely Defensive'

DEVESELU, Romania -- NATO's land-based missile-defense system in southern Romania has been a bone of contention between the alliance and Russia since it began operations at the start of 2016.

Russia claims the facility, along with a similar NATO base in Poland, is meant to undermine Moscow's nuclear deterrent.

bolded parts mine.
Much more at the link
Rainbows
Jane

You need to be careful throwing facts around, Rainbow Jane- it puts the close-minded biased ones in a head-spin and if they're off their meds there's no telling what could happen!

When I see the stubbornness of some posters who absolutely refuse to even consider proof that shows they discount information that goes against what they want to believe, it reminds me of pigs mud wrestling. It doesn't take long to figure out the pigs like it.

a reply to: dollukka

it is ALL ABOUT THE Yuzivska gas field
the BIDEN FAMILY, shell oil, and burisma.

so biden family can supply all of europe , with gas from ukraine

BUT, they first have to kick out the ROYALTY SEEKING
(russian speaking) LAND-OWNERS

Did someone post this already? Turns out the "waving hand" was a raindrop on the wind shield: twitter.com...

More Fake News -- US assisted doubtless .

A dead body moving is a bit of a give away .

Let alone the mayor having publicly declared that all Russian military had moved out three days previously.

Or is it custom to leave dead bodies lying around for a few days until a CNN type crew turn up with a bunch of Crisis Actors ?

a reply to: MisguidedAngel

watched the video. you do know how PERSPECTIVE changes as you drive past a object while driving? the water is streaking on the window as it is moving at a good speed as well. the body was not moving. even played it back at half speed.

originally posted by: Juicer66
More Fake News -- US assisted doubtless .

A dead body moving is a bit of a give away .

Let alone the mayor having publicly declared that all Russian military had moved out three days previously.

Or is it custom to leave dead bodies lying around for a few days until a CNN type crew turn up with a bunch of Crisis Actors ?

SO you going to go pick up possibly booby trapped bodies? Its cold enough they will keep and its dangerous to try and move them.

originally posted by: RussianTroll

originally posted by: dollukka
a reply to: RussianTroll

Did you knew that Russian military put land mines around Kiev ? I guess you didn´t. Right now your avatar is very speaking.. seeing that . it is not happy face it is mean.

I understand that this video is fake and staged, you acknowledged. Otherwise, they would not have moved the conversation to other topics.
Thanks.

Im going to agree with you I think it's staged or it's a zombie apocolypse. The man laying face down in all black with the white arm and i swear he sits up when you look into the truck mirror. Right at aout the 47 seconds that zombie sits up.

a reply to: dragonridr

try a experiment to prove that then. go out have someone lay that way still as possible,then drive past them. do it in a light rain as well and in a truck.

i rewatched it AGAIN,and the way side view mirrors work is they show a wider view of thats behind you. They drove past a body,its back was towards the camera. same body in side view mirror you could see both sides of the body looking back at it because its a head on view in the mirror.

Also pay attention to ethe building they pass. in the first clip they drive straight on and do not pass the same building. Seems it was more than 1 truck recording vid too.

a reply to: yuppa

Im going to say I did not consider the fact that the mirror does indeed distort images making them seem wider. So I will grant you that point not sure I'm entirely convinced but I will say your explanation is at least plausible. I rewatched it and yes the mirror could indeed be distorting the image

originally posted by: dragonridr
a reply to: yuppa

Im going to say I did not consider the fact that the mirror does indeed distort images making them seem wider. So I will grant you that point not sure I'm entirely convinced but I will say your explanation is at least plausible. I rewatched it and yes the mirror could indeed be distorting the image

Yeah its easy to miss.

a reply to: MiddleInsite

And that single reaction is why you should not trust what you see..

Your being controlled without real evidence. Videos mean nothing in the age of Hollywood. Half those videos don't even have proper blood splatter, sharp angled turns blood that climbs mountains without pooling and then rising.

Don't let your emotions get the better of you. Because at this rate I could probably have you kill someone who is just as innocent as they are pretendig those at war are. Just by saying Russia.

That hatred your carrying for something you nor anyone else knows anything about is nonsense. Let it go, don't let them force you to hate Russians at home.

Which fyi, they have told Americans to attack and kill innocent Russian Americans.

Let it go..

The past 2 years: for those not paying attention.

They failed the American vs Asians racial war.
They failed the white va black American racial war.
They failed the Jewish vs American war
They failed the Mexican vs American war.
They failed the vaxed vs unvaxed war.

They are succeeding on the Russian American vs Americans.. if you haven't been paying attention; this is to spark hatred to force a civil war to declare a military state. Something they enjoy by keeping your arse in your home and out of sight. If they succeed in declaring emergency they will cancel all elections and turn the US into a dictatorship.

That my friend is what it is about. This war has nothing to do with the average citizen in America. But everything to do with the politicians in charge. You want someone to hate, there is your target. They are the people that need to be held accountable.

Not Russia, Not Ukraine(both are victims). American politicians stoked the fire, backed a country into a corner of collapse to force a war; before it even started. This is not the first time nor the last. Supported by our politicians - you demand death. Demand the right death.

The only way we will help anyone in this world is to stay neutral, and put blame on the correct people. Which are leaders who are lining their pockets and benefitting hugely from this war.

Do your homework, who has huge stakes in oil? (Clinton's)
Who just bought up 78% of farmland?(Gates)
Who owns majority stake on water? (Nestle/Bayer/Tony fauchi/bill gates/Soros)
Who are benefitting from this war? Biden,
Who benefited from biolab viruses? Biden and Obama

Other benefactors Sarah Palin(although she benefits via oil - I haven't looked into how close she is to Hillary - both who decided to run again.)

Who is returning to the stage only after war started?
Who has the most to lose?

Answering questions like this will help you get to the bottom of things.

Putin. Wouldn't of made this move if he wasn't already on the verge of losing everything anyway. He had no choice, or millions and millions more then ukraines entire population would of suffered.

There is way more then meets the eye here.. and you need to keep emotions in check if you ever have hope to see the UNBIASED truth. Doesn't matter which way that truth lands, emotions will always cloud your judgement and blind you to things right infront of you.

a reply to: BlackArrow

Putin lied to UN and all the World several times about his plans for Ukraine. He said he was just throwing military exercise near Ukrainian border. How many of you said those satellite images were fake even those were from MAXAR. Now you close your eyes of Putin´s crimes towards Ukrainian civilians saying they are fake too.
Are you saying Putin stopped lying ?

I have no idea what you have in your cereals, it cannot be good for you people.

a reply to: dollukka


"The rules are simple. They lie to us. We know they're lying. They know we know they're lying. They keep lying anyway. And we keep pretending to believe them." A Mountain of Crumbs by Elena Gorokhova

Sometimes you have to play the game to survive. Then there comes a time when you say, no more, and start to play by their very rules. This is a complicated and convoluted game.

As I mentioned in another thread, in every war ever fought this has been the case, we have had propaganda on both sides, and it is your duty to believe (or pretend to believe) and support (or pretend to support) the story that supports your side.

To not do so undermines your country. In some cases, as with Russia, it puts you in jeopardy.

a reply to: Clement16

That link has a warning of riskware. Have another one ?

originally posted by: Freeborn
a reply to: Gin

Ok.
What does that prove?

Watch the video of the National Police of Ukraine about the cleansing of Bucha.



Video from 2 April. Where are all the "corpses"? They are not here.

In addition, there are white bandages on the corpses, and they were put on by pro-Russian locals.

I can upload one video that has since been deleted. This is a video of the Nazi Boatswain, whose unit cleared Bucha. There are clear instructions - to shoot at anyone with white armbands. Who has blue - do not touch.
show you?

originally posted by: dragonridr

originally posted by: RussianTroll

originally posted by: dollukka
a reply to: RussianTroll

Did you knew that Russian military put land mines around Kiev ? I guess you didn´t. Right now your avatar is very speaking.. seeing that . it is not happy face it is mean.

I understand that this video is fake and staged, you acknowledged. Otherwise, they would not have moved the conversation to other topics.
Thanks.

Im going to agree with you I think it's staged or it's a zombie apocolypse. The man laying face down in all black with the white arm and i swear he sits up when you look into the truck mirror. Right at aout the 47 seconds that zombie sits up.

Your post reminded me of how one of the covered "corpses" pulled the tarp back over himself when the wind lifted a corner of it off his upper torso.