Russia Ukraine Update Thread - part 2

a reply to: Silcone Synapse

Kalibr missiles have enough range to strike Lviv from the Caspian sea.

Also, Russian armed drones are expected to be hunting Ukrainian land based anti ship missile trucks.

Harpoon range 200 km is impressive, but Kalibr range is 10 times that 2,000 km.

As soon as Russian recon satellites and drones find Harpoon trucks those trucks will be cruise missiled by Kalibrs fired from Caspian sea.

originally posted by: generalbattle
a reply to: Silcone Synapse

Kalibr missiles have enough range to strike Lviv from the Caspian sea.

Also, Russian armed drones are expected to be hunting Ukrainian land based anti ship missile trucks.

Harpoon range 200 km is impressive, but Kalibr range is 10 times that 2,000 km.

As soon as Russian recon satellites and drones find Harpoon trucks those trucks will be cruise missiled by Kalibrs fired from Caspian sea.

yeah,but i imagine they will move them around a bit to avoid that. cant hit what you cant find in the target zone with a limited fuel supply if its not near. US sats will tell how far they are out at sea,and are watching them for launches. soon as there is a launch they will go evasive.

a reply to: generalbattle

Don't think anyone is worried about Russian drones. They appear to be way overhyped and look like something built in someone's garage for a toy. Got to love this using a water bottle for a fuel tank and the hi-tech camera aka a cheap camera from that Russian made company cannon. Little did we know there is a Russian company in Japan, This is almost as comical as Putin giving Xi Jinping a Yotaphone to show off Russian tech and it was made in China.

For people who don't know the yota phone was the Russian attempt at making smartphones . The problem is they lied to Putin and told him it was manufactured by Russia and turns out used all Chinese parts.



Im think harpoons are safe from Russia because where there are harpoons there will be stingers.

a reply to: dragonridr

I doubt they work anywhere near as good as the $500,000 dollar ones they captured in Mariupol.

a reply to: yuppa

Pretty hard to track cruise missiles. Odessa ain't that far from Kherson. Armed drones from Kherson can find and destroy Harpoon missile trucks at Odessa.

a reply to: dragonridr

Orlan is not as dangerous as armed drones which basically replaced attack helicopters in modern warfare. Stingers aren't useful at night, and armed drones typically fly too high to be targeted by MANPADS.

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originally posted by: generalbattle
a reply to: yuppa

Pretty hard to track cruise missiles. Odessa ain't that far from Kherson. Armed drones from Kherson can find and destroy Harpoon missile trucks at Odessa.

Cruise missiles are about the easiest things to track and shoot down, Ukraine seems to average a couple a day with manpads alone.

a reply to: PatriotGames4u

Ever try aiming at something going at near the speed of sound with a thing that weights 50 lb on your shoulder?

a reply to: generalbattle


Where do you even get this nonsense, Stingers work just fine at night.

They also work just fine in a thunderstorm, blizzard, hail, or hurricane.

originally posted by: generalbattle
a reply to: PatriotGames4u

Ever try aiming at something going at near the speed of sound with a thing that weights 50 lb on your shoulder?

No, but I've seen it demonstrated at Yuma several times.

What's so difficult? Soldiers are firing them every day in Ukraine, and actually shooting down actual russian cruise missiles.

500 mph isn't all that fast when you can see it coming from such a distance.

In fact, the only russian weapons that Stinger hasn't shot down are their new stealth plane (which russia is afraid to use in Ukraine) and their new hypersonic toys.

a reply to: PatriotGames4u

Stingers can't be used at night, and doesn't have enough time to lock on a cruise missile which flies past you within seconds.

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originally posted by: generalbattle
a reply to: PatriotGames4u

Stingers can't be used at night, and doesn't have enough time to lock on a cruise missile which flies past you within seconds.

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VERY old information.

Current Stingers have no problems at night or in any weather.

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Ukraine is not having any difficulty shooting down russian cruise missiles with Stingers.

a reply to: PatriotGames4u

Perhaps, but you can't shoot them all down. Offense is the best defense. And cruise missiles are getting faster and stealthier too, which makes them all that much harder to shoot down with MANPADS.

originally posted by: generalbattle
a reply to: PatriotGames4u

Perhaps, but you can't shoot them all down. Offense is the best defense. And cruise missiles are getting faster and stealthier too, which makes them all that much harder to shoot down with MANPADS.

Agreed, it's not possible to shoot down all of them.

Stinger would need one helluva lucky shot to shoot down a hypersonic 'cruise missile', but it doesn't care at all about stealth, as there is still a hot thing flying through the sky.

We have other tools for the hypersonic toys, they are outside of Stinger's current scope.

* - Donetsk Oblast(08:03). Red Alert: aerial threat. Sirens sounding. Take cover now!

* - Kharkiv, Kharkivska Oblast(06:37). Red Alert: aerial threat. Sirens sounding. Take cover now!

* - U.S. Defense Secretary Lloyd Austin will host Ukraine-focused defense talks with allies at Ramstein Air Base in Germany on April 26, the Pentagon says

* - 2 Russian missiles targeted near a bridge in Zaporizhzhia, damaging train and Khorytsia island, damaging a building. Total 8 people wounded

* - Loud explosions audible in Mykolaiv after missile launches from Kherson

* - 8 people wounded as result of Russian missile strikes in Zaporizhzhia

* - Explosions reported in Kropyvnytskyi

* - Russian troops detained head of Novovorontsovka community during civilian evacuation attempt

* - Russian army shelled Orlivschyna railway station in Dnipropetrovsk region

* - Ukrainian military seized Orlan-10 drone

* - Secretary Antony Blinken:I spoke with @PrimeMinisterGR Mitsotakis about the significant aid @NATO Ally Greece has provided to Ukraine, and other ways to help Ukraine defend itself against Moscow's brutal war of aggression. The U.S.-Greece relationship has never been stronger or more important

* - Mariupol officials said today they found a mass grave where Russian forces were burying bodies. They said it was an attempt to hide evidence of war crimes. Images from @Maxar appears to show around 200 new graves were dug between March 23 and April 3

* - 2 civilians killed as result of Russian shelling at Kyivsky district of Kharkiv

* - Ukraine has more tanks available in country than Russia, thanks to European deliveries of Soviet-era T-72 tanks: senior defense official. U.S. has NO tanks to give Ukraine because Ukraine military is using Soviet-era equipment

* - Reports of explosions in Dnipropetrovsk region near Novomoskovsk

* - Biden said the US is sharing timely intel with Ukraine to help them defend against Russia, and helping facilitate transfer of weapons/aid from other countries, like S300 anti-aircraft missile systems. "We are getting them in there," he told us. He called Russia's war an outrage"

* - Staff called 911 to report an overnight break in thru the alley trash room and the suspect left blood behind. 1xx 13th Ave NE Squad 262 nempls

* - Russian troops shelled Udy village in Zolochiv district of Kharkiv region

* - Readout from the @WhiteHouse of @POTUS meeting today with @Denys_Shmyhal

* - Pentagon says new $800 million military aid package for Ukraine will include: 72 155mm Howitzers and 144,000 artillery rounds; 72 Tactical Vehicles to tow 155mm Howitzers; More than 121 Phoenix Ghost Tactical Unmanned Aerial Systems; Field equipment and spare parts

* - Heavy shelling at Azovstal plant, also clashes reported at tram depot area in Mariupol

* - Rare footage from Zaporizhzhia Oblast today showing a Russian Ka-52 attack helicopter taken out by a Ukrainian 9K38 Igla MANPADS

* - "After weeks of shelling Kyiv, Kyiv still stands," says Biden, and Zelenskyy's government remains in control. Putin was counting on NATO, EU, Western resolve "cracking," he says; "he's still banking on that." "Once again we're going to prove him wrong," Biden says

* - Putin "will never succeed" in occupying, dominating all of Ukraine, Biden says

* - President Biden said it is "questionable" whether Russia controls Ukraine's besieged city of Mariupol. "There is no evidence yet that Mariupol has completely fallen"

* - President Biden says "no ship that sails under the Russian flag or that is owned or operated by a Russian interest will be allowed to dock in a United States port or access our shores - None. None"

* - US President Biden announces new $800 million military aid package for Ukraine

* - US President: We are facilitating the transfer of military equipment from allies across the world to Ukraine

* - Biden said he has almost exhausted the drawdown authority from Congress for Ukraine. "Next week. I'm going to have to be sending to Congress a supplemental budget request to keep weapons and ammunition flowing without interruption"

* - Biden: We will provide Ukraine with more weapons and equipment

* - .@POTUS sees, "a critical window where Russia will set the stage for the next phase of this war.''

* - Biden: We will provide drones and anti-tank and anti-aircraft weapons to Ukraine

As a reminder

Just so people know and understand. Information from war zones can become confusing as there will no doubt be info released from the players (on both sides) involved that might not necessarily be true.

As such take everything as a possibility and NOT as absolute truth.

The very first casualty in a war is the truth and all warfare is based on deception

Resources - Where most of the updates come from.
* - Flightradar24 - tracks flights worldwide
* - Live Ukraine control map 1 - updates on the ground
* - Ukraine Control Map 2
* - Ship radar
* - Military vessel tracker
* - Institute for the Study of War (ISW)

Youtube resources -
* - Speak the Truth
* - War in Ukraine
* - Artur Rehi - Estonain soldier
* - Daily Report

Social media resources -
* - Twitter - Jomini of the West - Battlefield Maps

* - Biden: We sent drones, helicopters and radar systems to Ukraine

* - Biden: Russian forces are committing war crimes in Ukraine

* - Biden: Russia's atrocities outside of Ukraine's capital of Kyiv provide "horrifying evidence" of Russian brutality

* - Suspicious man was detained in Kyiv by police. Weapons and ammunition seized

* - Spain has shipped 200 tonnes of military material, including heavy transport vehicles, to Ukraine: Spanish PM — AFP

* - Cache of ammunition was found in Kryvyi Rih

* - Explosions again at Saltivka in Kharkiv

* - Ukrainian Military shotdown Orlan-10 drone in Donetsk region with Starstreak MANPADS

* - Russian Su-25 jet was shotdown in Donetsk region with Stinger MANPADS

* - Ukrainian Parliament Verkhovna Rada has extended martial law until 25th May

* - 2 Russian Su jets were shotdown today near Izyum, Kharkiv region. Ka-52 helicopter near Pavlivka and Mi-8 helicopter near Malynivka village in Zaporizhzhia region

* - Ukraine Vice PM: 19 people, including 9 civilians were released from Russian captivity in a prisoners swap

* - Passenger train damaged as result of Russian shelling in Zaporizhiye

* - PM Sanchez: Moved to see the horror and atrocities of Putin's war on the streets of Borodyanka. We will not leave the Ukrainian people alone

* - Russian tank with "V" marking was destroyed in Mariupol by Azov regiment

* - Fighters from Syria and Libya were killed during clashes in Luhansk region - Secretary of NSDC of Ukraine Danylov

* - 2 missile hits in Zaporizhzhia, no casualties

* - Ukrainian army shotdown Russian jet fighter near Izyum, pilots ejected

* - Big crater this morning in Lyman as result of Russian army shelling

* - Putin ordered Shoigu to cancel assault on Azovstal and impose siege on it

* - Russian FSB report several Ukrainian citizens detained in Melitopol, and arsenal seized, including MANPADS, anti-tank mines and other ammunition

* - Spanish Prime Minister Pedro Sanchez arrived Thursday morning with his Danish counterpart Mette Frederiksen in Kyiv where they are both due to meet Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky, the Spanish government announced.

* - Russian defence minister Shoigu has reported to Putin that Russian forces have fully captured Mariupol, except of Azovstal (so russian forces have not completely captured Mariupol

* - Prime Minister of Spain Pedro Sánchez and Danish PM Mette Frederiksen has arrived in Kyiv to meet President Zelensky

* - 5 people wounded as result of Russian shelling in Kharkiv

* - 1 killed, 2 wounded as result of Russian shelling on Mykolaiv overnight

* - Shelling in Avdiyivka

* - Russian troops shelled residential buildings in Novodruzhesk and Rubizhne

As a reminder

Just so people know and understand. Information from war zones can become confusing as there will no doubt be info released from the players (on both sides) involved that might not necessarily be true.

As such take everything as a possibility and NOT as absolute truth.

The very first casualty in a war is the truth and all warfare is based on deception

Resources - Where most of the updates come from.
* - Flightradar24 - tracks flights worldwide
* - Live Ukraine control map 1 - updates on the ground
* - Ukraine Control Map 2
* - Ship radar
* - Military vessel tracker
* - Institute for the Study of War (ISW)

Youtube resources -
* - Speak the Truth
* - War in Ukraine
* - Artur Rehi - Estonain soldier
* - Daily Report

Social media resources -
* - Twitter - Jomini of the West - Battlefield Maps

* - Human Rights Watch finds evidence of Russian atrocities in Bucha

Russian forces committed multiple apparent war crimes while occupying the Ukrainian town of Bucha in March, New York-based Human Rights Watch said in a report released Thursday.

The report adds to the evidence documenting alleged atrocities by Russian troops in Ukraine.

The rights group’s researchers spent a week interviewing residents in Bucha, a suburb of the capital, Kyiv, earlier this month. They found evidence of summary executions, torture and enforced disappearances by Russian forces, “all of which would constitute war crimes and potential crimes against humanity,” the group said.

The Geneva Conventions governing the laws of war forbid indiscriminate killings, enforced disappearances and torture, as well as the humiliating or inhumane treatment of prisoners of war.

click link for article


* - Report: Chinese credit card processor rebuffs Russian banks

BEIJING (AP) — China’s credit card processor has refused to work with banks in Russia for fear of being targeted by sanctions over its war on Ukraine, cutting off a possible alternative after Visa and Mastercard stopped serving them, according to the Russian news outlet RBC.

UnionPay’s decision affects Sberbank, Russia’s biggest commercial bank, and smaller institutions, RBC reported Wednesday. It cited five unidentified sources in large Russian banks.

Mastercard and Visa suspended operations in Russia after the United States and other governments imposed trade and financial sanctions on President Vladimir Putin’s government for its attack on Ukraine.

click link for article

* - Top 10 secrets Russia doesn't want you to klnow about click link for video


* - Germany plans workaround for arms deliveries to Ukraine

maments that will enable Kyiv to get more of the equipment it needs.

Although Germany is the world's fifth-largest exporter of arms, it has long avoided sending weapons directly to conflict zones. Since Russia's invasion began in February, the government of Chancellor Olaf Scholz has sent light equipment, ammunition, and given additional funding to German arms manufacturers sending supplies to Ukraine.

However, this policy has been slammed — both inside and outside Germany — as not going nearly far enough, with Polish Prime Minister Mateusz Morawiecki saying that "the ambiguous position taken by Germany here is certainly not helpful."

click link for article


* - Satellite images reveal mass graves outside Mariupol as Russian forces level the city

New satellite images show evidence of mass graves outside of the Ukrainian city of Mariupol as Russians are nearing their conquest of the city.

Satellite images from Maxar Technologies show a mass grave site at a cemetery in Manhush, a town located about 12 miles west of Mariupol.

Analysis of satellite images from Maxar shows that there was an expansion of a new set of graves in this location at the end of March and that the gravesite continued to expand in April.

The new gravesite includes more than 200 new graves, according to Maxar.

Last month, a United Nations human rights ream reported evidence of mass graves around the city, which has been the target of a sustained bombing campaign that has leveled much of the city. Russian forces have targeted civilian areas — including apartment complexes and a theater serving as a shelter.

click link for article


* - Putin calls off "pointless" storming of Mariupol
click link for video

a reply to: PatriotGames4u

Interesting. On reflection, makes sense. The cruise missiles probably take a straight path to their target.

Cheers

21 April update

Key Takeaways

* The Kremlin’s declaration of victory in Mariupol is unlikely to enable the deployment of significant combat power to reinforce offensive operations in eastern Ukraine in the coming days or weeks.

* Russian forces involved in the battle of Mariupol are likely heavily damaged and Ukrainian forces succeeded in tying down and degrading a substantial Russian force.

* Russian forces continued offensive operations in eastern Ukraine but made only marginal gains.

* Ukrainian forces continued to halt Russian attacks around Izyum.

More at URL above.

Cheers

originally posted by: generalbattle
a reply to: yuppa

Pretty hard to track cruise missiles. Odessa ain't that far from Kherson. Armed drones from Kherson can find and destroy Harpoon missile trucks at Odessa.

umm no its not when you see them launched,which they have satellites in syncronous orbit just like the russians do.Drones are easy to spoof since they are crappy ones. Laser designators can disrupt them it seems. Iran found that little flaw.