Russia Ukraine Update Thread - part 2

Ukrainian Tank Destroys Russian Armored Personnel Carrier In A Single Shot

Some "Urban (Street To Street) Combat" as carried out by Ukrainian Forces against the Russkies.

Russian Soldiers Flee Hideout As Ukrainians Shell Them From Above

Russian Airstrike Misses Ukrainian Woman By Inches In Kharkiv

a reply to: Erno86

Wow. Did you see all those fleeing pussies run right past their wounded comrade and leave him there crawling? FFS. These guys are doomed.

'Neither Disciplined Nor Comfortable' CNN Reporter Tours Abandoned Russian Military Camp

Ukraine has received fighter planes and aircraft parts to bolster its air force in the face of Russia’s invasion, the Pentagon said Tuesday, declining to specify the number and type of aircraft nor their origin.

Ukrainian forces “right now have available to them more fixed wing fighter aircraft than they did two weeks ago,” Pentagon spokesman John Kirby told reporters.

He noted the United States had “helped with the transhipment of some additional spare parts that have helped with their aircraft needs, but we have not transported the whole aircraft.”

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originally posted by: F2d5thCavv2
a reply to: GAOTU789

I understand your take. To clarify, I was thinking that Ukraine had existed independently for some 30 years, but now, for some reason, it is an emergency for Russia.

I am just guessing, but it feels like a schedule was changed to make things happen sooner. Or, perhaps, it was decided that other measures like economic pressure would not achieve the desired results.

Cheers

i know when killary as sec of state..." reported to" the CFR circa 2009
she was told " don't do too much too quick " by the mothership as she called it who issues "the orders"

yup
there's been a change of modus of operandi
are some of the puppet masters demanding fruits before they pass as their time is nearing

could it be the financial debt crash is before us...rob what you can now

i often wonder if the cia is close to convincing the pentagon that we can intercept now
but those pesky number 2 runners up to the throne are harnessing in on tech we can't defeat
and such time is running out if they fully align

something is sparked

to be a fly on those walls of the CFR

* - Russian troops shelled hospital in Bashtanka, Mykolaiv region

* - U.S. President Joe Biden is expected to announce within the coming days another military aid package for Ukraine about the same size as the $800 million one announced last week, multiple sources familiar with the decision said on Tuesday

* - Shelling again in Avdiyivka, there are fires in the city

* - Meeting in Rozivka village with appeal to occupation authorities in parts of Donetsk region was gathered with deception - Regional administration

* - Outgoing shelling from Donetsk

* - Joint Forces Operation: 12 tanks, a plane and a helicopter were destroyed today in clashes at Donbas

* - .@PentagonPresSec said just now Ukraine "have received additional aircraft and the aircraft parts to help them get more more aircraft in the air" recently

* - The Pentagon: We will provide Ukraine with 18 artillery systems soon

* - A small number of Ukraine military will be trained by U.S. on how to operate Howitzers; that will happen in Europe. @PentagonPresSec says that training will happen soon but has not yet started

* - Readout from the @WhiteHouse of the @POTUS call about the war in Ukraine

* - Canada to send heavy artillery to Ukraine, Justin Trudeau says. The PM made the announcement at an event in New Brunswick today; he says more details will be provided in the coming days

* - Shelling targeted Toretsk town

* - Shelling on the border of Kherson and Dnipropetrovsk regions continued through the day, no casualties

* - Per Boris Johnson, the UK is "looking at the possibility of mounting Brimstone anti-ship missiles on technicals (a militarised pick up truck)" as part of British military support to Ukraine

* - Explosions at Kherson airport

* - Biden: We will send more artillery weapons to Ukraine

* - Russian army shelled Kharkiv with MLRS Uragan. 4 peopled killed, 14 wounded

* - 3 killed today as result of Russian shelling today in Kramatorsk, Avdiyivka and Blahodatne of Donetsk region. 5 more wounded, including 1 child

* - 1 policeman killed, 2 wounded as result of grenade and shooting attack in Lysychansk

* - Russian troops planted a lot of landmines at highway between Naddnipryanske and Oleksandrivka in Kherson region

* - Putin bears responsibility for 'war crimes' in Ukraine, German chancellor says

* - German Chancellor: We agreed with our partners to provide Ukraine with long-range artillery

* - German Chancellor: We will continue to support Ukraine financially and militarily

* - US official: 7 planes will head to Europe within 24 hours to transport weapons to Ukraine

* - Justin Trudeau: We're imposing new sanctions on 14 close associates of the Russian government – including Putin's two adult daughters. We will not relent in holding people accountable for their complicity in Russia's attacks on Ukraine

* - Ukrainian military repelled Russian offensive at Maryinka and regained full control over village

* - U.S. sees Russia carrying out "prelude" to larger, expected offensive operations in eastern Ukraine, a senior U.S. official says

* - Russian troops shelled Bashtanka in Mykolaiv region

* - Truck driver killed in Stoyanka near Irpin as result of landmine explosion

* - Finland is shipping a third military aid shipment to Ukraine. No details are provided about the contents of the shipment, but equipment sent has been coordinated with Ukraine to fit their needs

* - Czech defence companies will repair Ukrainian tanks and other military vehicles that have been damaged in fighting or need servicing after long-term storage, the Czech Defence Ministry said on Tuesday

* - President Zelensky asking Verkhovna Rada to extend martial law for another 30 days

As a reminder

Just so people know and understand. Information from war zones can become confusing as there will no doubt be info released from the players (on both sides) involved that might not necessarily be true.

As such take everything as a possibility and NOT as absolute truth.

The very first casualty in a war is the truth and all warfare is based on deception

Resources - Where most of the updates come from.
* - Flightradar24 - tracks flights worldwide
* - Live Ukraine control map 1 - updates on the ground
* - Ukraine Control Map 2
* - Ship radar
* - Military vessel tracker
* - Institute for the Study of War (ISW)

Youtube resources -
* - Speak the Truth
* - War in Ukraine
* - Artur Rehi - Estonain soldier
* - Daily Report

Social media resources -
* - Twitter - Jomini of the West - Battlefield Maps

How a former US Navy sailor became a Putin propagandist - Patrick Lancaster

Navy veteran Patrick Lancaster describes himself on Facebook as “an independent crowdfunded journalist,” but critics argue that he is a foot soldier in the Kremlin’s information war against Ukraine.

On Monday, Lancaster posted a video from the city of Mariupol in southeastern Ukraine, which has been besieged by the Russian military for weeks. The Russians have blasted their way through the city the same way they razed other cities, including Grozny in Chechnya and Aleppo in Syria. The city’s mayor has claimed that at least 10,000 civilians have been killed in the fighting and the Russians have reportedly relocated thousands of other Mariupol residents.

Yet Lancaster’s video places the blame for the suffering of Mariupol’s residents squarely on Ukraine’s shoulders. While the video showed several bodies lying in the streets, a man dressed in civilian clothes whom Lancaster interviewed said all the dead were “terrorists” who belonged to Ukraine’s Azov Regiment, which has a history of accepting neo-Nazis as volunteers.

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This NANCE guy answered Zelenskyy's call and left MSNBC to fight in Ukraine.

Here he is showing his expertise as a 500lb shell comes in.

REAL TALENT or NO?

Short Video Clip: twitter.com...

a reply to: Xcathdra

Couple of points on the Western (MSM) media reaction, aside from the complete abandonment of objectivity ofc

Anyone who says anything positive about Russia, hell even if it was something like "Russia has good vodka", they're instantly going to be labelled as pro-Putin or whatever; it's a classic case of attack the messenger and not the message, of which I'm sure many ATS'ers know that script.

Additionally, the MSM portrayal of this conflict is massively skewed, it simply isn't a case of Ukraine = good, Russia = bad.

How the bombing of your own citizens for 8 years, while collaborating with extreme right-wing groups in order to systemically torture and execute people who disagree with your governance (which only came into power through violent, non-political means in the first place) can ever be considered good, is beyond me

Israeli weapon seen used by Neo-Nazi Ukrainian unit against Russia..................

"The recently published video shows that these Israeli-developed weapons are now in the hands of the Azov Battalion, which has been widely characterized as a Neo-Nazi militia. While CNN and other media analysis has weighed the possibility that Azov has reformed, the group still has prominent Neo-Nazis in its ranks and features white supremacist symbology. The Battalion's logo still has the Black Sun, a common white supremacist symbol, and the Wolfsangel symbol used by the Nazi SS."

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a reply to: Zcustosmorum

ok.. Patrick reports propaganda and doesnt disclose who he worked for (Independent journalist is what he tries to hide behind) or that his wife is Russian. He is able to move freely in Russian areas where as other reporters cant. His videos appear on RT and one of the main tv channels (I forget the name). He is the only journalist that I am aware of that has his own Russian soldier protection detail. When Russia flouts his reporting its always as former US Navy. This is done to try and lend credibility to his reporting while spinning the bs "see, even Americans think this".

It's done as propaganda.

Speaking of the abandonment of objectivity that is exactly what occurs in the Russian media. Even more so that Putin has closed down independent media / news. If you are a Russian in Russia and you call their "special operation" a "war" (which is exactly what it is), a war, you face upwards of 10+ years in prison... for simply not repeating the propaganda.

Russian decided to invade a sovereign country back in 2014, when they illegally seized Crimea and instigated rebellions on Donetsk / Luhansk. Russia withdrew from the Geneva Convention protocol that deals with killing civilians probably so they can kill as many civilians as they want while thinking they cant be held accountable for their crimes.

So now the population in the East is considered Ukrainian, even though putin states they are Russian because the country of Ukraine doesn't exist even though Putin pushes the genocide lie (which we are still waiting for Russia to provided their evidence of genocide at the UN like they said they would). If you said that in Russia you would be arrested and sent to prison. Trying to label everyone in Ukraine as a "Nazi" or "right wing" is the same bull # Nazi Germany did with the Jews / groups they exterminated. When Putin refers to Ukrainian citizens as something less than Human, he is in fact dehumanizing them. That makes it easier for his forces to slaughter civilians because they become viewed as non human.


Just so you know Putin is between stages #8 and #9 while already laying the groundwork for #10 IE Russia didnt kill civilians, Ukraine did that. Russia had to invade Ukraine because the west was placing Nukes in Ukraine. Russia had to invade Ukraine because its not a country. Russia had to invade Ukraine to protect Russians. Russia had to invade Ukraine because of genocide. Russia had to invade Ukraine because Ukraine was going to invade Russia. Russia had to invade Ukraine because they were attacking russian cities. Russia had to "relocate" Ukrainians to protect Russians.

All Putins actions and excuses are the EXACT same excuses the Nazis used - EXACT.




A history lesson - Why Hitler invaded countries and the excuses he used to justify it:

1. Czechoslovakia

The occupation of the Sudetenland, the border regions in the north and west of Czechoslovakia, was the first time Hitler flexed his military muscles in Europe. The region was conceded to Germany by the Czech government in an attempt to avoid war after the Germans made demands for it to be handed over. For Hitler, this fulfilled two aims. One was to unite the German speaking people of this region with Germany, supporting his goal of a larger, united German nation. The other was that it let him test how far he could push other European powers, who backed down rather than defend Czechoslovakia from German threats.

AKA Donetsk / Luhansk - uniting the Russian speaking people of Ukraine with Russia.

2. Austria

Like the occupation of the Sudetenland, that of Austria was part of a drive towards a great Germany. Austria had been part of the German Confederation until Prussia pushed it out in the Austro-Prussian War of 1866, ensuring that Prussia led German unification five years later. There had been an attempt to include Austria in a larger Germany in 1918 though other countries blocked this. To Hitler, taking over Austria – a move known as Anschluss – was simply the expansion of Germany to its natural borders.

Just as Putin claims Ukraine is not a country and has always been a part of Russia and Putin is restoring Russia to its natural borders.

3. Poland

Having brought most Germans together, Hitler wanted more space for them to live in. ‘Lebensraum’, meaning ‘living space’, [was his idea that the German people had a right to a greater territory to support them and ensure their growth. This was to come at the expense of other people, who he saw as inferior. Poland, a large country with a lot of agricultural lands, provided both an easy target and plenty of space.

Just as Putin views Ukraine. Criminals were dressed in Polish uniforms and executed so Germany could fabricate causus belli . Exactly what Russia/Belarus are doing.

4. Denmark

Southern Denmark contained some German speaking people, and there were Nazis who hoped to occupy it in time. But the reason for its invasion in 1940 was a strategic one.

AKA the European countries that have any population of Russian/Russian speaking people.

5. Norway

....Norway had ice-free ports with access to the north Atlantic, with its trade routes vital to Europe. It also provided access to the mines of mineral rich Sweden to the south and east. Both trade and minerals would be vital to winning the war.

Ice free / warm water ports - AKA Ukraine.

6. Belgium
7. The Netherlands
They had to go thru the Netherlands to bypass the maginot line and in order to accomplish that they need to take Belgium. AKA the Suwalkli Gap - The Polish/Lithuanian territory that blocks Belarus from touching Kaliningrad.

8. France

France’s military alliance with Poland, signed in 1921, brought the French into the war and gave Hitler the excuse he needed.

AKA NATO

9. Britain
They were allies of Poland and didnt agree with Hitler. AKA Ukraine and them wanting to distance themselves from Putin/Russia

10. The Soviet Union

At the start of the Second World War, Germany, and the Soviet Union were allies, but this was never going to last. The Nazis were ideologically opposed to the Communist ideas under which the Soviet Union was run. As in much of Europe, there were ]many people in Germany who feared Communism, and Hitler had added fuel to this fear, using it to support his rise to power. He believed it was necessary for his plans, that the Soviets should be defeated, however, hard that would be.

AKA Putin and his disdain for Democracy / Capitalist system / NATO - which Putin used on his rise to power.

11. Italy

At the start of the war, Italy was Germany’s strongest ally. But this did not last. By 1943, losses on every front made Italians unhappy about the war. The Allies invaded in July of that year, and on the 25th of July Mussolini was ousted by a government that sought peace.

The Germans could not let Italy surrender. They rescued Mussolini and used him as head of a puppet government in the north. Italy was now effectively occupied by two opposing armies – that of the Germans in the north and the Allies in the south.

Coming soon to a theater near you in Belarus.

The only thing Putin is missing is the mustache.

a reply to: ufoorbhunter

Interesting... I thought all Ukrainians were Nazis, including their Jewish President.

What a creative reply

In terms of media, two wrongs don't make a right, regardless of Russian media, that doesn't excuse the MSM coverage of this conflict, and I have followed it from day one.

Secondly, you are aware that the Kiev government was already murdering their own citizens 8 years prior, is that not genocide? Secondly, if Russia was actually committing genocide, the casualties would be way higher than what they currently are, simple arithmetic.

I'll just agree to disagree with you on the rest, you could theoretically change your argument to the United States, and beyond that either way, this isn't World War 2, although you might want to check out just exactly how the Kiev government came into being, there are some similarities with another well known leader you mention a few times

originally posted by: Zcustosmorum
What a creative reply

The term you are looking for is Factual, not creative.

originally posted by: Zcustosmorum
In terms of media, two wrongs don't make a right, regardless of Russian media, that doesn't excuse the MSM coverage of this conflict, and I have followed it from day one.

So your saying both sides media is wrong, but somehow western media is "more" wrong? Talk about a "creative" word salad to excuse Russian media. Blame the western media - check

originally posted by: Zcustosmorum
Secondly, you are aware that the Kiev government was already murdering their own citizens 8 years prior, is that not genocide? Secondly, if Russia was actually committing genocide, the casualties would be way higher than what they currently are, simple arithmetic.

No Ukraine was fighting an insurgency courtesy of Russia.
Yes - Russia is committing genocide.

Genocide is an internationally recognized crime where acts are committed with the intent to destroy, in whole or in part, a national, ethnic, racial, or religious group. These acts fall into five categories:

1 - Killing members of the group
2 - Causing serious bodily or mental harm to members of the group
3 - Deliberately inflicting on the group conditions of life calculated to bring about its physical destruction in whole or in part
4 - Imposing measures intended to prevent births within the group
5 - Forcibly transferring children of the group to another group

Genocide does NOT have a required body count to meet the requirements of a genocide. Also are you really telling me that its ok for Russia to kill Ukrainian civilians because the body count is not higher?

Lets take them one by on -
1 - Russia is targeting Ukrainians - check
2 - Russia is placing explosive in civilian areas in order to kill more Ukrainian civilians in addition to destroying fuel and food depots that directly affect the civilian population. - check
3 - see the facts above in #2
4 - Russia targeting clinics and hospitals - check
5 - Russia is illegally transferring children back to Russia - check
* - Reports of Russians deporting Ukrainians to camps trouble Stalin survivors
* - Hundreds of Ukrainians forcibly deported to Russia, say Mariupol women

originally posted by: Zcustosmorum
I'll just agree to disagree with you on the rest, you could theoretically change your argument to the United States, and beyond that either way, this isn't World War 2, although you might want to check out just exactly how the Kiev government came into being, there are some similarities with another well known leader you mention a few times

No kidding? Its not WW2 yet people are ok with Putin living in the 1980's - check Also your response is creative the way you just tried to excuse Russian acts by playing "what about'isms".

The Ukraine government was elected by the Ukrainian people - as happens in Democracies. You might want to brush up on your Ukrainian constitutional law and how it relates to President Yanukovych. You might just learn something.

originally posted by: Xcathdra
a reply to: ufoorbhunter

Interesting... I thought all Ukrainians were Nazis, including their Jewish President.

Zelensky is pretty much a western plant. I mean do we really believe a majority of Ukranians will have voted for a Jewish guy? Be very surprised if that election was real