Russia Ukraine Update Thread - part 2

originally posted by: PatriotGames4u
Are NATO countries brutally invading an unthreatening neighbor.

I think that some people dislike the West and organisations like Nato, that they habitually blame them for everything. It's a conditioning that removes all wider thought. Good that you have brought it back to the basics.

Question - In Ukraine, exactly who is doing the invading, murdering, raping and destroying?
Answer - Russia

The first European Union leader to meet with Putin since the invasion of Ukraine says the Russian president 'believes he is winning the war'

Austrian Chancellor Karl Nehammer said Russian President Vladimir Putin is fairly confident about his military campaign in Ukraine, even after Russian forces withdrew from part of the country after weeks of stagnation.

Nehammer on Monday became the first European Union leader to meet with Putin since Russia invaded Ukraine on February 24. In an interview with NBC's "Meet the Press" on Saturday, Nehammer said the conversation with Putin was not "friendly" but "frank and tough."

"I think he is now in his own war logic. He thinks the war is necessary for security guarantees for the Russian Federation. He doesn't trust the international community. He blames Ukrainians for genocide in the Donbas region."

When asked by host Chuck Todd if Putin thought he was winning the war, Nehammer said he thinks "he believes he is winning the war."

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Apparently the video is discussed but not shown in the link.


For first time, Russia shows footage of rescued crew from sunken warship Moskva

The Russian Defense Ministry released a short video showing Admiral Nikolai Yevmenov and two other officers in front of some 100 sailors on a parade ground.

The ministry did not say when the meeting took place.

Russia acknowledged on April 14 that the Moskva had sunk, attributing the disaster to an ammunition explosion.

Ukraine said it hit the vessel, the flagship of Russia's Black Sea fleet, with at least one Neptune missile.

Moscow said all of the 500 crew members were rescued after the April 13 blast. Ukrainian officials said some of those on board the ship had died. Neither side has provided evidence to support the claims.

The ship's demise has been described as a huge blow to Russian morale.

The ministry announced late on Thursday that the Moskva had sunk on stormy seas after a fire caused by exploding ammunition. Ukraine said it had sunk the ship with two Neptune missiles.

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Another Russian general killed amid invasion, Russian official says

The governor of St. Petersburg confirmed that another Russian general has been killed amid the invasion of Ukraine, honoring him in a ceremony on Saturday, Russian media reported.

The deputy commander of the 8th Army, Maj. Gen. Vladimir Petrovich Frolov, died while fighting against Ukraine, Russian news outlets reported, citing St. Petersburg’s administration’s press service.

“Today we say goodbye to a real hero. Vladimir Petrovich Frolov died a heroic death in battle with Ukrainian nationalists,” Governor Alexander Beglov said, Russian state news agency Tass reported, citing the press service.

“He sacrificed his life so that children, women and the elderly in the Donbas would no longer hear bomb explosions. To stop waiting for death and leaving home , to say goodbye as if it were the last time.”

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A Russian soldier says Putin's troops have been blowing up their own 'as if they were terrorists'

Ukrainian intelligence officials claim to have intercepted a call in which a Russian soldier says Vladimir Putin's troops are shooting their own people in Moscow.

The Security Service of Ukraine released an audio clip of the call on Friday, in which a man's voice can be heard saying Putin's forces have been opening fire on a Russian town. The man, a soldier located in Ukraine's Donetsk region, was speaking to his wife on the phone, who's back home in Russia.

"These are our heroes," he told his wife.

"This is done in order to provoke ... Ukrainians," he said, according to Ukrainian intel.

The soldier said Russian forces bombed Klimovo, a Russian city straddling the border between Russia and Ukraine. Klimovo authorities, meanwhile, blamed Ukrainian soldiers for shelling the city, an accusation Kyiv has vehemently denied. The National Security and Defense Council of Ukraine characterized the blame as "an attempt to ignite anti-Ukraine hysteria in Russia," according to Radio Free Europe, a US-funded media company.

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People will be asking why would Russia attack and kills its own citizens? For an answer we need to look at 1999.

The Russian cities of Buynaksk, Moscow and Volgodonsk, in September 1999, apartment complexes were blown up by FSB agents killing more than 300, injuring more than 1,000, and spreading a wave of fear across the country, blaming Chechnya

Almost from the start, however, there were doubts about the provenance of the bombings, which could not have been better calculated to rescue the fortunes of Yeltsin and his entourage. Suspicions deepened when a fifth bomb was discovered in the basement of a building in Ryazan, a city southeast of Moscow, and those who had placed it turned out to be not Chechen terrorists but agents of the FSB. After these agents were arrested by local police, Nikolai Patrushev, the head of the FSB, said that the bomb had been a fake and that it had been planted in Ryazan as part of a training exercise. The bomb, however, tested positive for hexogen, the explosive used in the four successful apartment bombings. An investigation of the Ryazan incident was published in the newspaper Novaya Gazeta, and the public’s misgivings grew so widespread that the FSB agreed to a televised meeting between its top officials and residents of the affected building. The FSB in this way tried to demonstrate its openness, but the meeting was a disaster: It left the overwhelming impression that the incident in Ryazan was a failed political provocation.

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* - Austrian Chancellor Karl Nehammer, who met with Putin this past week in Moscow — the first European leader to do so since the invasion began Feb. 24 — said the Russian president is "in his own war logic" on Ukraine

* - Russian missile strike hit critical infrastructure in Brovary, mayor warns of possible power and water supply cut

* - Orlan-10 drone was shot down in Donetsk region

* - Russian troops attacking area of Lozove village, MLRS and artillery shelling on 16th April all the day. Ukrainian army repelled all attempts of advance

* - There were no explosions in Kyiv, the air defense worked - the Kyiv City State Administration

* - Khartsyzk: aerial defense missiles launched

* - Ukrainian military in Joint Forces Operation zone repelled 10 Russian attacks today. 15 tanks, 3 pieces of artillery, 24 armoured vehicles destroyed. 4 Orlan-10 drones and 2 cruise missiles shot down

* - First fatality from Moskva cruiser identified via social media as midshipman Ivan Vakhrushev

* - Explosions in Kharkiv reported in Saltivka, KhTZ, Novi Doma

* - Explosions audible in Kyiv just moments after sirens went off

* - 3 explosive ordnance clearance engineers killed, 1 wounded near Kharkiv today

* - US ambassador to Moscow calls sinking of Russia's warship a 'severe embarrassment' in interview with Fox's Neil Cavuto

* - Railway bridge in Vasylivka, Zaporizhzhia region destroyed

* - Russian troops shelled checkpoint on the border of Kherson and Dnipropetrovsk regions. No casualties

* - Another shelling in Kharkiv in the evening: 1 killed, 2 wounded

* - This event is known propaganda, displayed for awareness
Russian ministry of Defense claims Ukrainian transport plane with weapons shot down near Odesa

* - 1449 people were evacuated today to safe areas - Vice PM of Ukraine

* - Mayor of Trostyanets: signs of chemical weapons found in Bilka village, "sarine vials and other chemicals"

* - Mobile internet is working near Port-City in Mariupol again - city council

* - Heavy shelling in Kharkiv this evening

* - President Zelensky: I continued dialogue with PM @BorisJohnson. The agreements reached during his recent visit, primarily on defense and macro-financial support, were discussed. I briefed PM on the situation at the front, in particular in Mariupol. We are working on security guarantees for Ukraine

* - 2 missiles shot down over Zaporizhzhia today, debris damaged several houses, injured a woman

As a reminder

Just so people know and understand. Information from war zones can become confusing as there will no doubt be info released from the players (on both sides) involved that might not necessarily be true.

As such take everything as a possibility and NOT as absolute truth.

The very first casualty in a war is the truth and all warfare is based on deception

Resources - Where most of the updates come from.
* - Flightradar24 - tracks flights worldwide
* - Live Ukraine control map 1 - updates on the ground
* - Ukraine Control Map 2
* - Ship radar
* - Military vessel tracker
* - Institute for the Study of War (ISW)

Youtube resources -
* - Speak the Truth
* - War in Ukraine
* - Artur Rehi - Estonain soldier
* - Daily Report

Social media resources -
* - Twitter - Jomini of the West - Battlefield Maps

* - Ukrainian military targeted Russian echelon with ammunition in Tokmak, Zaporizhzhia region

* - Deputy commander of 8th army of Southern Military District major general Vladimir Frolov has been buried in St.Petersburg. Killed in Ukraine

* - Fires as result of shelling in Vuhledar, Donetsk region

* - Mayor of Lozova asking residents to evacuate town immediately due to high risk of missile and aerial strikes

* - Delegation of Georgian MPs headed by speaker of Parliament of Georgia arrived in Kyiv

* - Russian troops shelled civilian blocks of Polohy district overnight, 12y.o child wounded - head of Polohy district administration

* - Russian troops shelled Lysychansk refinery(defunct for a long time)

* - 1 killed, several wounded as result of Russian missile strike in Kyiv this morning

* - Russian T-72B3 at the port of Mariupol

* - Damage in Mykolaiv as result of Russian army shelling today

* - 1 killed as result of Russian missile strike at farm in Poltava region

* - Kharkiv 1 killed, 18 wounded as result of Russian army shelling this morning

* - There are dead and wounded as result of Russian missile strike in Kirovohrad region

* - Russian army shelled market in Lysychansk

* - Russian ministry of Defense reports missile strikes at plants in Kyiv and Mykolaiv

* - Ukrainian Air Defense shot down 4 cruise missiles launched by Su-35 aircraft based at Baranovychy airfield

* - Russian army hit old chicken processing factory in Dnipropetovsk region with precise missiles overnight

* - Battle ongoing for Lozove village on the border between Donetsk and Kharkiv regions

As a reminder

Just so people know and understand. Information from war zones can become confusing as there will no doubt be info released from the players (on both sides) involved that might not necessarily be true.

As such take everything as a possibility and NOT as absolute truth.

The very first casualty in a war is the truth and all warfare is based on deception

Resources - Where most of the updates come from.
* - Flightradar24 - tracks flights worldwide
* - Live Ukraine control map 1 - updates on the ground
* - Ukraine Control Map 2
* - Ship radar
* - Military vessel tracker
* - Institute for the Study of War (ISW)

Youtube resources -
* - Speak the Truth
* - War in Ukraine
* - Artur Rehi - Estonain soldier
* - Daily Report

Social media resources -
* - Twitter - Jomini of the West - Battlefield Maps

Flightradar24

* - RAMPAG12 - Eurofighter Typhoon FGR.4 / RAF - Over Romania heading towards Poland
* - NATO11 - Boeing E-3A Sentry / NATO (Luxembourg - Patrolling Romanian - Ukraine/Moldova border
* - LK32 - Lockheed EP-3E Aries II Orion / US Navy - patrolling Romanian - Ukraine/Moldova border / Black Sea
* - LAGR120 - Boeing KC-135R Stratotanker / USAF - Circles over central Poland
* - NCHO133 - McDonnell Douglas KC-10A Extender / USAF - Circles east of Warsaw
* - PS2615/AU12615 - Boeing 737-9KV(ER) / Ukraine International Airlines - Khartoum to Rzeszow
* - LAGR160 - Boeing KC-135R Stratotanker / USAF - circles over North central Poland
* - DUKE44 - Sikorsky UH-60M Blackhawk / US Army - Over southeast Poland near Mielec
* - YANK01 - Beech RC-12X Guardrail / US Army - Patrolling Lithuania
* - NO CALLSIGN - Ilyushin Il-76MD / Russian air force - East of Pyatigorsk (north of Georgia)
* - TXC1732 - Ilyushin IL76TD / Belarus - Over Russia heading towards Belarus (probable military transport)
* - EW504LL - Unknown / Country of Reg - USA - Over Belarus near Minsk
* - ANKIN32 - Beech King Air 350ER - French air force - Patrolling Romania/Black Sea
* - CFC4227 - Lockheed CC130J Hercules / RCAF(Canada) - Heading to Rzeszow

* - Poltavska Oblast(13:08). Red Alert: aerial threat. Sirens sounding. Take cover now!

* - Donetsk Oblast(13:06). Red Alert: aerial threat. Sirens sounding. Take cover now!

* - Russian army attempting to advance at Liubymivka-Novozlatopil line

* - 17 APR: US Navy EP-3E 160764 LK32 departed Souda Bay at 0549z - Eastern Romania mission

* - Kharkiv, Kharkivska Oblast(12:30). Red Alert: aerial threat. Sirens sounding. Take cover now!

* - Donetsk Oblast(12:11). Red Alert: aerial threat. Sirens sounding. Take cover now!

* - Donetsk Oblast(10:55). Red Alert: aerial threat. Sirens sounding. Take cover now!

* - 23 artillery, mortar, MLRS shelling at Pivnichna Saltivka, Pyatykhatky, Oleksiivka, Central Kharkiv, KhTZ, Derhachi yesterday. 1 missile strike. 31 people wounded, 3 - killed

* - Vice PM of Ukraine: no official evacuation today, as not a single corridor approved by Russia

* - Heavy shelling on Avdiyivka including with aerial strikes

* - Ukrainian army counter-attack between Kreminna, Rubizhne and Sviatohirsk, Russian troops were pushed several kilometres to North-East

* - Velyka Novosilka(14:43). Red Alert: aerial threat. Sirens sounding. Take cover now!

* - Head of the Kharkiv Regional Administration: Our forces are advancing in some directions and the Russians are resorting to bombing residential neighborhoods

* - Zaporizka Oblast(14:14). Red Alert: aerial threat. Sirens sounding. Take cover now!

* - Shelling in central Kharkiv

* - Agricultural helicopter crashed at Kuban', one dead

As a reminder

Just so people know and understand. Information from war zones can become confusing as there will no doubt be info released from the players (on both sides) involved that might not necessarily be true.

As such take everything as a possibility and NOT as absolute truth.

The very first casualty in a war is the truth and all warfare is based on deception

Resources - Where most of the updates come from.
* - Flightradar24 - tracks flights worldwide
* - Live Ukraine control map 1 - updates on the ground
* - Ukraine Control Map 2
* - Ship radar
* - Military vessel tracker
* - Institute for the Study of War (ISW)

Youtube resources -
* - Speak the Truth
* - War in Ukraine
* - Artur Rehi - Estonain soldier
* - Daily Report

Social media resources -
* - Twitter - Jomini of the West - Battlefield Maps

Someone may be having supply chain issues-

"The production facilities of JSC Ulyanovsk Mechanical Plant have actually been stopped. UMP is a manufacturer of radars and short-range and medium-range air defense systems for the Russian ground forces (Buk, Kub and Tunguska missile systems).
The reason behind the critical state of production is the use of a large number of accessories and electronic components in the manufacture of military products," the statement said.
According to intelligence, until recently the main supplier for the Russian defense sector was Germany, but since the beginning of the full-scale Russian invasion of Ukraine, any cooperation with the country has been suspended.
According to employees, the plant is unable to continue production on its own, as "almost no Russian-made [components]" are used in the technological process.

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This could be propaganda as it comes from the Intelligence Directorate of the Ukrainian Defense Ministry,but if not it seems like an idiotic move by the Russians to rely on Germany for critical military components.
Maybe they thought Germany would never cause them problems due to how much they rely on Russian energy?

When you live in a kleptocracy-Don't be surprised when you war loot gets looted!

Bad news for Russian looters.
The things they looted in Ukraine are now being stolen by Russian postal workers.
Out of 130 boxes sent by Russian soldiers from Belarus to the Russian city of Rubcovsk, only 3 arrived as they should.

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* - Major General Vladimir Frolov, deputy commander of the 8th Combined Arms Army was killed in the Donbas / Mariupol area.

* - Russian Admiral in charge of Black Sea fleet, Admiral Igor Osipov, was imprisoned following the disaster relieved of command.

I've looked, at times, at the various estimates for casualties on both sides of this war.

One thing that gives pause is how difficult it can be for combatants to establish (much less publicly release) reliable figures.

An example of that is that German military losses for 1945, while in a certain range, are still basically unknown to any reliable degree. Lots in the "missing" category. In a constant battles situation, that usually means dead or eventually identified as taken prisoner. But when a war ends, and there is missing, there are other explanations. In 1945, Germans may have been killed on the way to prisoner of war camps, and it is believed that some to many simply relocated after the war, resulting in their remaining on "missing" lists when people working the data attempted to reconcile the figures.

Lots of fog out there.

Cheers

Known as the “jack-in-the-box effect,” this type of apocalyptic explosion is caused when a blast’s heat or shockwave causes all the tank’s ammunition to detonate. The resulting overpressure blows the tank’s turret straight up into the air.

Russian-made T-72 and T-80 tanks are particularly susceptible to being destroyed in this manner, in part because they both have autoloading mechanisms that store tank rounds in a carousel at the base of the turret, said Steven Zaloga, an expert on Russian and Soviet armor. Those autoloaders typically store about 20 rounds when fully loaded.

Jack In The Box

Cheers

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