Russia Ukraine Update Thread - part 2

a reply to: Xcathdra

yeh I watched that guys post earlier

the thing is though arent we all brainwashed to varying degrees?
its not a conspiracy , we are controlled in a lot of ways in how we live. in the UK we have state media
in other countries corporate media linked to state representatives. We have social media controls , algorithms that control how we see info. Its the same # just on a different side
Then we have places like China and the DPRK who are open about their brainwashing.
Then we have Russia and the US in the 80;s spending millions of taxpayers money on actual brainwashing research
MK Ultra and then leading into things remote viewing.

Then we have the ultimate brainwashing "patriotism"
it gets everyone that one
trust me I know I am a proud Scotsman

a reply to: sapien82

True but in your country, as well as mine, we have the ability to seek out information that might not agree with the state media. Russia on the other hand doesnt get that choice, unless people want to spend a few decades in prison.

The rally around the flag issue is occurring in Russia right now. The latest poll shows Putins support is like around 86%... We had the same thing occur in the US in the aftermath of 9/11.

I love my country.. my government, on the other hand, not so much.

* - Mariupol city council reports that russians started to sweep away the traces of their war crimes in the town and burn the bodies of murdered residents en masse in mobile crematoria

* - Sumska Oblast, Cherkaska Oblast, Kirovohradska Oblast(14:13). Red Alert: aerial threat. Sirens sounding. Take cover now!

* - Zaporizhia(14:08). Red Alert: aerial threat. Sirens sounding. Take cover now!

* - Kramatorsk, Poltavska Oblast, Kryvyi Rih, Dnipro, Dnipropetrovska Oblast, Kharkiv, Kharkivska Oblast(14:07). Red Alert: aerial threat. Sirens sounding. Take cover now!

* - Kyiv, Kyiv Oblast(14:00). Red Alert: aerial threat. Sirens sounding. Take cover now!

* - Zhytomyr, Zhytomyrska Oblast(13:55). Red Alert: aerial threat. Sirens sounding. Take cover now!

* - Kyiv, Kyiv Oblast(13:03). Red Alert: aerial threat. Sirens sounding. Take cover now!

* - Kirovohradska Oblast(13:02). Red Alert: aerial threat. Sirens sounding. Take cover now!

* - Chernihivska Oblast(13:02). Red Alert: aerial threat. Sirens sounding. Take cover now!

* - Poltavska Oblast, Cherkaska Oblast(13:00). Red Alert: aerial threat. Sirens sounding. Take cover now!

It seems air attacks have been picking up.

a reply to: Xcathdra

Yep. How long did it take before the ULTRA secret was widely known? Decades, and it was a HUGE factor in the war in Europe.

Cheers

There are widespread reports that the Czech government has at least begun moving T-72 tanks and BMP-1 infantry fighting vehicles out of storage for transfer to Ukraine. This follows reports over the weekend that the U.S. government would help facilitate the delivery of T-72 tanks from an unspecified NATO member to the Ukrainian armed forces.

More here .

Cheers

Ukrainian Tank Single Handedly Destroys Massive Russian Convoy East Of Kyiv

a reply to: Erno86


That was some pretty good Ukrainian gunnery, but clearly Ukraine needs more Javelins so they don't have to put a tank crew at risk to destroy a russian convoy.

Ukrainian Armed Forces Launch Missiles Targeted At Russian Enemy

originally posted by: Erno86

Ukrainian Tank Single Handedly Destroys Massive Russian Convoy East Of Kyiv

This might even have been a captured Russian tank.
Ukraine now has more tanks than they started the war with from tanks abandoned by their crews when they got stuck to tanks that were mildly hit that lost tracks and the Ukrainians have repaired with tracks and parts from javelin anti tank missiles hit tanks.
The Ukrainians like the US switchblade drones as they don't destroy the tanks but damage them bad enough that the crews run and the Ukrainians then repair them and use them to attack the Russians.
www.defenseworld.net...
www.reuters.com...
it's a really bad idea to invade a country that uses the same equipment that you do.

a reply to: ANNED


Good point, there isn't anything repairable about a Javelin hit tank other than as a few spare parts.

The turret goes flying, known as being 'suddenly turretless', and the main body of the vehicle is badly deformed.

a reply to: PatriotGames4u

Russian tank designers failed to compartmentalise ammo from the vehicle in the Cold War. So, as a result, the tanks and their crews lack protection in combat situations.

a reply to: ANNED

Concerning the common usage of equipment between Russian and Ukrainian forces:

The Ukrainian Army and Air Force's understanding of combined arms, Mission Command, logistics and maintenance, ensure they utilise their military platforms far better than the Russians. One of the reasons I wish to learn about the clashes between India and Pakistan in the late 40s is that both sides were identically equipped.

Also, the Russians probably omitted tank and other vehicle repairs/maintenance facilities from their force structure. Alternatively, their neglect of rear area security left stationary targets open to attack.

a reply to: F2d5thCavv2


I wonder if policy debates in the Biden admin affect U.S. military aid to Ukraine? Are elements of Biden's cabinet attempting to implement the policy of gradual escalation toward Russia? If so, the concept will fail as it did concerning the Vietnam War. However, supplies take the place of direct U.S. military involvement. Moreover, Ukraine missed out on Polish Migs for a doomed approach to the war in Ukraine.

* - Germany is in confidential discussions with Kyiv about possible security guarantees it could offer Ukraine to ensure its safety after Russia's invasion, Chancellor Olaf Scholz told the Bundestag

* - 14:00 A column of Belarusian and Russian military equipment was moving along the M8 highway towards the Novaya Huta border crossing point. The equipment includes MAZ trucks, KamAZ and Ural trucks, Tornado-U. Some of the vehicles are marked with "V"

* - Heads of military administrations of Kharkiv, Luhansk and Donetsk regions ask the population to evacuate the regions as soon as possible due to aggravation of the situation

* - A Ukrainian Stugna-P ATGM operator hitting a Russian tank 3600 meters away somewhere in the east of the country

* - At least 10 residential apartments complexes on fire in Severodonetsk as result of Russian army shelling

* - CzechRepublic MoD @jana_cernochova confirmed previous media reports: Ukraine asked The Czech Republic and Slovakia for help with military equipment repairs. Discussion about it still ongoing. No decision has been made yet

* - NATO Secretary General Stoltenberg: "Ukraine urgently needs military assistance. We expect Allies to provide more support to Ukraine with various weapon systems"

* - Stoltenberg: We must take into account the effects of Russian aggression and the new role of China in NATO's strategy

* - The Kremlin: A phone call between Putin and the Hungarian prime minister on Ukraine

* - War in Ukraine could 'last months, even years', says NATO chief

* - A Red Cross convoy arrives in Zaporizhzhia with refugees from southeastern Ukraine

* - Britain's @DefenceHQ intel releases satellite imagery of Buca Ukraine. "Imagery dated 21 March 2022 shows at least 8 bodies identified lying in a street in Bucha. Bucha was occupied by the Russian armed forces until 31 March 2022"

* - Damage in Vuhledar as result of shelling

* - Russian militants in Shyrokyne shelling Mariupol city with Grad rockets today

* - U.N. will vote tomorrow to suspend Russia from its Human Rights Council

* - White House: We will share information with the G7 and Europe regarding violations in Ukraine

* - The UK has imposed a full asset freeze on Russia's largest bank Sberbank and committed to end all imports of Russian coal and oil by the end of 2022 in retaliation to Russia's continued invasion of Ukraine

* - The US Agency for International Development says SpaceX donated "roughly $10 million" worth of 3,667 Starlink terminals and associated internet service to Ukraine. 5,000 terminals were delivered in total, with USAID buying "the additional 1,333 terminals"

* - US Deputy Secretary of State: We will hold Putin and his aides accountable, and we believe that Bucha is just the beginning of what we will see

* - Of the almost nearly 130 battalion tactical groups that the Russians applied to this invasion, the US still assesses that they still have "more than 80" BTGs inside Ukraine , according to a senior US defense official

* - Ukrainian army controlled Osokorivka village in Kherson region

* - US military official: Ukrainians are training to operate "Switchblade" drones

* - "Major war crimes" being committed by Russia in Ukraine, @POTUS tells @NABTU

* - He'll be signing an executive order that'll "ban any new U.S. investment in Russia," adds @POTUS

* - Biden: The Ukrainian army is fighting successfully because we trained them and gave them weapons

* - Biden: We will continue to provide Ukraine with weapons to defend itself, such as advanced drones, Javelin missiles, and others

* - In his speech to @NABTU, @POTUS says "we won't be able to advertise every piece of security we give" to Ukraine

As a reminder -

Just so people know and understand. Information from war zones can become confusing as there will no doubt be info released from the players (on both sides) involved that might not necessarily be true.

As such take everything as a possibility and NOT as absolute truth.

The very first casualty in a war is the truth and all warfare is based on deception

* - European Union: New sanctions against Russia will not be the last

* - 4 killed, 4 wounded as result of Russian army shelling in Vuhledar

* - Rescuers fully cleared M-06 highway Kyiv-Zhytomyr from explosives, allowed to open traffic. Civil defense engineers still working to remove UXOs from Irpin, Bucha, Hostomiel in Kyiv region

* - This event is known propaganda, displayed for awareness
Russian Ministry of Defense accuse Ukraine in preparation of false-flag operation with chlorine in Pervomaiskyi of Kharkiv region

* - 3 killed as result of Russian army shelling in Balakliya - Prosecutor's office of Kharkiv region

* - Shelling reported in Kharkiv

* - Lozova in Kharkiv region was shelled with missiles

* - Council of Europe: Bucha events in Ukraine a "war crime" and those responsible must be held accountable

* - Portugal will send "defensive and offensive war material to Ukraine" João Gomes Cravinho confirmed today that Portugal will send "in the near future" war material, either "defensive" or "offensive", to Ukraine. The country will send "ammunition and weapons" to Ukraine

* - Pokrovsk(05:09). Red Alert: aerial threat. Sirens sounding. Take cover now!

* - Zaporizka Oblast(05:08). Red Alert: aerial threat. Sirens sounding. Take cover now!

* - Kryvyi Rih, Dnipro, Dnipropetrovska Oblast(05:06). Red Alert: aerial threat. Sirens sounding. Take cover now!

* - More explosions audible in Kharkiv

As a reminder -

Just so people know and understand. Information from war zones can become confusing as there will no doubt be info released from the players (on both sides) involved that might not necessarily be true.

As such take everything as a possibility and NOT as absolute truth.

The very first casualty in a war is the truth and all warfare is based on deception

a reply to: xpert11

Ironic that UK is playing such a leading role in assistance to Ukraine. One must recall that Germany is so thoroughly penetrated by Russian influence as to be practically useless and France, well, France has fully 10% of its own army on internal security duties. Distractions, distractions.

Good luck on the reading of re: Indo-Pak wars. I'm interested in the 1965 war, but find it difficult to extract much of value from the peacock prose both sides use in their military history works.

Cheers

6 April update

Key Takeaways

* Russian forces with heavy air and artillery support continued assaults on Ukrainian positions in Mariupol in the past 24 hours.

* Russian and proxy forces in eastern Ukraine are likely attempting to consolidate forces and material for an offensive in the coming days.

* Russian forces continued offensive operations from Izyum towards Slovyansk but did not make any major territorial gains.

* Ukrainian forces conducted successful counterattacks towards Kherson from both the north and west.

* Russian forces completely vacated Sumy Oblast.

* Russian General Officers are reportedly instruct[ing] commanders to severely restrict internet access among Russian personnel in an attempt to combat low morale.

More at URL above.

Cheers

a reply to: randomuser

this guys channel is pretty interesting , but I have to ask , where does he get his information from exactly ?
is it the same info that Xcathdra is posting , like where is all this information actually coming from ?

and how do we know any of it is factual ?

originally posted by: sapien82
a reply to: randomuser

this guys channel is pretty interesting , but I have to ask , where does he get his information from exactly ?
is it the same info that Xcathdra is posting , like where is all this information actually coming from ?

and how do we know any of it is factual ?

He discusses some of that in a little detail in one of his earlier videos, perhaps Random recalls which one.