Russia Ukraine Update Thread - part 2

originally posted by: guaman
a reply to: Scrable

Kiev is the original Slavic nation. It is Kiev that has been trying to colonize Russia and Belarus. Consequently, Russia and Belarus are threatened by Kiev.

The russian reversal folks!!

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These Russophiles have really ramped up register accounts to ATS.....just to spread disinformation ,lies

Like this one here ( guaman Registered: 16-7-2022 )

China pulls a Putin on Russia

Depicted in a Russian cartoon.
Short and thoughtful. English captions.

originally posted by: yuppa
guaman said: "Kiev is the original Slavic nation. It is Kiev that has been trying to colonize Russia and Belarus. Consequently, Russia and Belarus are threatened by Kiev."

The russian reversal folks!!

Yes! "In Ukraine, you get invaded by Russia. In Russia, Ukraine invade you!"

Well Ukraine didn't really invade Russia, but I wonder if there's any truth to this "Ukraine's Shaman Battalion Responsible For Sabotage Attacks On Putin’s Russia?", or if it's just propaganda. It does seem like there have been an inordinate number of fires and explosions on the Russian side of the border, too many to be all accidental fires perhaps.

Ghosts Of War | Ukraine's Shaman Battalion Responsible For Sabotage Attacks On Putin’s Russia?


But if it was really true, wouldn't they try to keep it a secret instead of talking about it? Even if it is true, it's a fair response to the Russian invasion, as part of Ukraine's strategy to defend itself from the invasion.

There's a wikipedia article about the Russian mystery fires listing about 29 of them:

2022 Russian mystery fires

The 2022 Russian mystery fires are a series of unusual fires and explosions that have occurred since the 2022 Russian invasion of Ukraine, which have not been formally explained. There have also been several notable arson attacks on military recruitment offices in Russia since the beginning of the war, and there has been speculation that some of the fires or explosions have been the result of sabotage efforts by Ukraine.

16 July update

Key Takeaways

* The Russian Ministry of Defense announced the cessation of the operational pause, confirming ISW’s July 15 assessment that Russian forces are likely resuming ground attacks along multiple axes of advance. The cessation of the operational pause is unlikely to lead to a massive increase in ground attacks across Ukraine but will rather likely be characterized by continued limited ground assaults focused on the Slovyansk-Siversk-Bakhmut salient.

* The Kremlin may have ordered Russian forces to take control of the entirety of Kharkiv Oblast, despite the extraordinary low likelihood of Russian success in such an effort.

* Russian forces conducted limited ground assaults around Siversk and Bakhmut and otherwise fired on Ukrainian military and civilian infrastructure across Eastern Ukraine.

* Russian occupation authorities likely are responding to the perceived threat of Ukrainian partisan activities by strengthening administrative regimes in occupied areas.

More at URL above.

Cheers

originally posted by: guaman
a reply to: vonclod

Incorrect. Ukraine has been part of Russia since Mongol invasion.

Did you mean to say that Russia used to be part of Ukraine until the Mongol invasion? I'm honestly wondering, because you're contradicting what you said here:

Kiev is the original Slavic nation. It is Kiev that has been trying to colonize Russia and Belarus. Consequently, Russia and Belarus are threatened by Kiev.

Moscow was initially a colony of Kiev, I think that's fair to say. But they haven't been "trying" to do it. They succeeded a long time ago, and then Moscow has been trying to Russify Ukraine.

originally posted by: F2d5thCavv2
* Russian occupation authorities likely are responding to the perceived threat of Ukrainian partisan activities by strengthening administrative regimes in occupied areas.

Quote from your quote.

Reads that Russia will tighten up repression. We already have reports of mass deportations and concentration camps, alongside the summary executions, rape and torture.

Russia. Masters of repression for a hundred years.

a reply to: paraphi

I recall something vaguely, I believe it was a story Kipling wrote.

About a British soldier captured by the Russians (Crimean War?) When he encountered the British Army again, he was completely in Stockholm syndrome with regards to his Russian captors. A psychological wreck.

People knew, even back then.

Cheers

It appears Russians destroyed M142 MRLS which has range up to 70 km using Iskander cruise missile which has range up to 500 km after spotting it with Orlan drone.

It appears Russians have armed attack choppers with NLOS missiles which Americans have been trying to do with arming Apaches with Spike NLOS. NLOS missiles enable attack choppers to attack from stand off distance.

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a reply to: guaman

Ukraine has painted them bright red and yellow now? That's weird

originally posted by: guaman
It appears Russians destroyed M142 MRLS

That's a really poor video showing nothing at all. If you are going to persuade the sceptical, then you probably need to sound a bit more genuine, rather than a parrot for Russian propaganda. Find a video which is not so heavily edited that it looks (er) fake.

Russians destroyed another M777. It does appear Russian fire power is more than Taliban fire power and the war will be much more costly for Americans than in Afghanistan. Trillions will be spent on the war with one side being Ukrainian men armed with American military hardware and the other side being Russian men armed with Russian military hardware backed by Chinese financial clout.

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a reply to: guaman

They fired all those shells? Not how they operate.

Smelling BS here. Again.

a reply to: Oldcarpy2

Most likely was hiding in the forest but got spotted by drone and hit by long range artillery like Tornado-S.

These helicopter launched Hermes NLOS missiles seem very deadly to artillery. The US has been wanting to arm Apache helicopters with Spike NLOS missiles.

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a reply to: guaman

If you say so. Smell is still lingering, though.

Russians say Tornado-S out matches HIMARS. HIMARS is 227 mm size max range 70 km. Tornado-S is 300 mm size max range 120 to 200 km.

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They say M777 got nailed by Krasnopol 6 inch laser guided round.

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