Russia Ukraine Update Thread - part 2

BTW, Russia is the grand daddy of MRLS. Back in WW2 it was Katyusha which decimated Germans. Americans were slow to adopt MRLS. Only in the 1980s the US adopted M270.

originally posted by: yuppa
a reply to: ufoorbhunter

Germans are used to using gas.(joke joke)

Anyway the use of russian gas is a burden in the long run. what if they want to split germany again?

Ha too right Yuppa and it boggles the mind to think Israel is going to supply the gas. Maybe in 20 years time when the last survivors die off but right now? Amazing.

originally posted by: WeDemBoyz
a reply to: yommiesana

HIMARS have precision accuracy and Russia can't figure out how to shoot them down. Yep, most definitely "overrated".

This video explains starting at time 1:35 why Russia is having trouble shooting down the HIMARS, it's partly because of how Ukraine uses them while Russians are still reloading their defenses from a barrage of lower accuracy soviet-made rockets, according to the video.

originally posted by: Xcathdra

originally posted by: yommiesana
Interior footage of T-90M. AT-11 tank fired missiles have range up to 5 km. I really like the concept of tank fired missiles. The US attempted to adopt tank fired guided missiles for M1A2 SEP but I think did not adopt.

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No they didn't turns out the vulnerabilities made it impractical in fact I'm not sure why any modern military would use ATGMs. In Urban combat, you have to stop your tank fire and then resume movement. Because if anything gets between you and the target the missile will immediately start its dive. Easier to just mount them on say a Stryker and use them. Tanks survive by being on the move to fire , you must stop your tank fire and 3 ATGMs your tank has to sit still for say 20 seconds I know that doesn't sound like a lot of time but its huge in a combat scenario The other weakness is you have a minimum range of engagement for safety say around 700 meters in urban combat that would be most engagements. Finally, it creates a vulnerability having high explosives strapped to your tank when gun technology made it obsolete. Tank based ATGMs are a band-aid for insufficient tank firepower and accuracy over medium to long range

12 July update

Key Takeaways

* The Kremlin is reportedly sourcing Iranian UAVs likely to improve Russian aerial reconnaissance and indirect fire accuracy in Ukraine.

* Russian forces conducted limited and unsuccessful ground assaults north of Slovyansk and east of Siversk.

* Russian forces continued air and artillery strikes around Bakhmut and Avdiivka.

* Russian forces conducted multiple unsuccessful ground assaults north of Kharkiv City.

* Russian forces likely conducted a false-flag attack on the Zaporizhzhia Nuclear Power Plant in occupied Enerhodar, Zaporizhia Oblast.

* Russian and Ukrainian sources reported that Ukrainian strikes killed multiple Russian officers in Kherson City on July 10.

* Ukrainian forces continued to strike Russian ammunition depots on the Southern Axis.

More at URL above.

Cheers

a reply to: F2d5thCavv2

It is interesting to note the role of Russia - Iran relations concerning the war in Ukraine. In supplying drones, the Iranians aren't troubled by the institutional corruption that undermines Russia's war effort. Nor is there any reason to think Iran is morally and politically concerned by Putin's actions. Perhaps Iran's motivation is to remain in Putin's good graces more than to influence the outcome in Ukraine.

Otherwise, logistical constraints relating to existing stockpiles, manufacturing capacity, transport, and spare parts impact Iranian military aid to Russia. Nor is Iran's modest industrial capacity a factor unless they join Russia in a production race with the U.S. and western countries. (China is unlikely to throw its industrial weight behind Russia under the present circumstances).

Russian Official Accidentally Reveals Missiles Being Used in Ukraine

Igor Girkin, a former Russian military leader, appeared to accidentally reveal that Russia is using Tochka-U missiles in Vladimir Putin's war—weeks after the Kremlin denied that the weapons are being deployed by Russian forces.

"The Ukrainians destroyed an air defense base near Luhansk," Girkin, who uses the last name Strelkov on social media, said in a post on his Telegram channel. He took aim at the Russian military by saying that Russia failed to cover up Tochka-U launchers.

"There are unique shots of how, in broad daylight, without the slightest disguise, a train with Tochka-U equipment is moving south in the Tula region," he wrote, referring to footage that circulated on social media Tuesday.

"I understand that camouflaging tanks and infantry fighting vehicles - if there are absolutely no covers and even mask nets at the disposal of the RF [Russian Federation] Ministry of Defense - is, after all, not so necessary. But missile systems (even obsolete, but combat-ready) are the primary target for the enemy," Girkin wrote, pointing out the failures of the Russian command.

On April 8, Kremlin spokesman Dmitry Peskov denied that Russian forces use Tochka-U missiles. His statement came shortly after Ukrainian officials accused Putin's troops of striking a train station in Kramatorsk with a Tochka-U ballistic missile.

"We need to go by the statement of the [Russian] Defense Ministry, first of all, which ruled out that our armed forces utilized that missile," Peskov said. "Our armed forces don't use this type of missile, and also no missions took place or were planned for today in Kramatorsk."

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A train was spotted carrying Tochka-Us missile launch vehicles Tochka-U (SS-21 Scarab according to NATO designation) being sent to the LPR and DPR by train. Tochka-U missile launch vehicles were also spotted in the Donetsk area being moved about.




This signifies the LPR and DPR gaining long-range strike capability. The Tochka-U while certainly not as modern as Iskander or HIMARS it gives the LPR and DPR retaliatory capabilities against the Ukrainian forces.

Several videos in the past have been posted to Telegram of Russian and or DPR LPR forces destroying captured Tochka U SRBMs in the past. Some may have been taken as trophies.

3 Tochka U SRBM and its logistical support - arrived at Melitopol
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Russia is reported to have a lot of these systems and missiles in storage. A whole lot.

a reply to: Grimpachi

Oh great. Coming to a shopping mall in Ukraine shortly...

originally posted by: Grimpachi
Russia is reported to have a lot of these systems and missiles in storage. A whole lot.

The same tochkas that Russia had supposedly stopped using. I'm glad you've found more reliable sources to get your reports from.

13 July update

Key Takeaways

* The Kremlin likely ordered Russian “federal subjects” (regions) to form volunteer battalions to deploy to Ukraine.

* Russian forces conducted failed ground assaults north of Slovyansk and around Bakhmut.

* Russian forces continued air and artillery strikes around Siversk and west of Donetsk City.

* Russian forces continued targeting Ukrainian rail lines on the Eastern Axis.

* Russian forces attempted limited and unsuccessful ground assaults north of Kharkiv City.

* Russian forces prioritized defensive operations on the Southern Axis as Ukrainian forces continued targeting ammunition depots.

* Russian occupation authorities are increasing financial incentives for civilians working in occupied Ukraine.

* Russian occupation authorities may be setting conditions to forcibly relocate Ukrainian children in occupied territories to Crimea.

More at URL above.

Conscripted "volunteer" battalions. Are we already at Volkssturm stage, Russia?

Plus: Information about Iranian drones.

Yeah ... Russia using weapons developed by a radical Islamic country to attack a country whose president is Jewish ... because something-something 'Nazis' ... potential for really bad optics here.

Cheers

Russia stared. EU blinked.

EU found a loophole to allow Russia to send more materiel to/from Kaliningrad. If sent by rail, it is okay.



One may draw the conclusion that Lithuania has learned certain lessons about the reliability of the Eurocrat crowd.

Cheers

I'd like to know what excuses will be made by some on here for this:



BBC News - Ukraine war: 22 killed in Russian rocket attack on Vinnytsia
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a reply to: Oldcarpy2

Haven't you learnt anything during this invasion?
False Flag.
The Ukrainians did it themselves.

Evil propaganda.

Yeah, Vladimir the Humane would never approve of an attack like that.

/sarc

Cheers