Russia Ukraine Update Thread - part 2

originally posted by: Xcathdra
a reply to: Grimpachi

Thank you for proving my point of what you are doing - spreading lies and propaganda. Next time make sure you get the current Russian lies so you don't look stupid by using Russia's lies from 2 days ago.

You are the one lying and spreading propaganda here not me.

a reply to: Grimpachi
a reply to: Grimpachi


However you need to dismiss facts to protect Putin is all on you. Like your lie about there being no military units inside Donetsk city.

The video posted is valid considering Russia changed their lie, from claiming the building was inoperable and only caught fire from the "weapons" in the other building. When the video of the missile hitting the shopping center Russia changed its lie to claim in was Ukraine who launched the missile.

You need to

a reply to: Xcathdra

Like your lie about there being no military units inside Donetsk city.

If you are claiming that the civilian districts that are shelled daily in Donetsk are military targets then prove it.

Here is a link to the Donetsk thread. It has dozens of video clips of homes, schools, universities, fire stations, and more that were shelled by Ukraine.

www.abovetopsecret.com...

Prove those are military targets or with your BS.

I know you won't, I know you can't. Instead, you repeat the lies and propaganda as long as MSM does.

a reply to: Grimpachi

Evidently Russia isn’t just a d!ck to shopping mall, but people in the park too….

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a reply to: Grimpachi

Along with those magic middles Russia has that turns everything into military targets full of Nazis using human shields. I guess the result shrapnel turns anyone it hits in a park into a Nazi?

a reply to: neutronflux

Don't take any lectures from Russian sympathisers.

Russians even bomb defenceless refugees in their camps.

The Hass refugee camp bombing was an aerial bombardment of a refugee camp in the Syrian opposition-held town of Hass in the Idlib Governorate of Syria, which has been deemed a war crime by Human Rights Watch. It was perpetrated on 16 August 2019, at 7:25 p.m. local time, during the Syrian Civil War. The bombing killed 20 civilians, including a pregnant woman, and injured another 52 people

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originally posted by: Grimpachi

originally posted by: merka

originally posted by: Grimpachi
a reply to: Xcalibur254

Well, OK, it seems like it wasn't nonfunctioning so they got that wrong.

I will point out that Ukraine got it wrong as well. There were not 1,000 people in there and the mall wasn't attacked. Those are things they could have verified within the first hour or at the very least that day.

I do remember seeing a drone video of the mall from the front and if you look towards the very back, you can see what looks like the spot of impact glowing red hot.

As we know now the impact site was not even on mall property.

Oh.

Are you talking about the drone footage that clearly proves the central point of impact was inside the mall?

You are claiming the picture of a burned building where everything is collapsed inwards is the impact site.

Explosions blow debris out from where they hit. Not collapse things inwards.

There is zero sign of an explosion emanating from that building in the pic.

If you have no clue what you are looking at then don't make baseless claims if you do then stop lying.

I am also going to post this one more time which I know you have seen and shows exactly where the missile struck. So, stop lying.

For good measure, the two pics on the right clearly show the impact site on the property of the factory.

And we have debunked both your images with video footage and drone footage so do keep posting lies.

You're right, explosions blow debris out.

That's why literally the entire warehouse area at the back of it is completely gone. That roof which has half a hole in it and the crater "outside" - that's deep within the building.

You're denying reality.

Evidence contradicts Russian claims about Kremenchuk mall attack

First-hand accounts from survivors and expert analysis have discredited Moscow’s account of the deadly missile strikes on a shopping mall in the Ukrainian city of Kremenchuk.

Igor Konashenkov, a spokesperson for Russia’s defence ministry, said its military fired a “high-precision air attack at hangars where armament and munitions were stored”, and the explosion of those weapon caches caused a fire in the nearby shopping centre, which he said was “non-functioning” at the time.

However, witness statements, information released by Ukrainian prosecutors and analysis by independent military experts point to three possible erroneous statements in that account – that the Ukrainian military was hiding weapons nearby, that the mall was not a target, and that nobody was using it.

CCTV footage shows the first missile struck the mall at 3.51pm on Monday, and a second shortly afterwards hit a factory that Moscow contends was storing western munitions.

Outside the mall, Ukrainian police set up a table to collect twisted bits of a missile found inside. It is believed to have been an X-22 Russian cruise missile fired from a Tu-22M long-range bomber.

Satellite images show the factory is 500 metres from the mall. According to independent military experts and researchers from Molfar, a global open source intelligence community, the explosion there could not have provoked a fire strong enough to reach another building that far away.

During a visit to the area between the mall and the factory, little to no damage to buildings or roads was observed, suggesting no spreading fire.

click link for article

Russian forces have withdrawn from Snake Island. But both sides give different accounts

Russian troops have left Snake Island in the Black Sea, the Ukrainian Armed Forces said Thursday, after they carried out what they said was a “successful” operation.

The small but strategic territory was the scene of one of the opening salvos of the war in Ukraine, with demands from a Russian warship calling for the Ukrainian defenders to surrender, who boldly replied with “Russian warship, go f*** yourself.”

Known as Zmiinyi Ostriv in Ukrainian, Snake Island lies around 30 miles (48 kilometers) off the coast of Ukraine and is close to the sea lanes leading to the Bosphorus and Mediterranean.

Moscow had never laid claim to Snake Island before this year, and it’s a long way from any part of the Russian mainland. It’s over 180 miles from Crimea, annexed by Russia in 2014, and so there is no geographical or historical basis for Russia to claim it now.

On Monday, the Ukrainian military said it hit a second missile system on the island, as well as multiple Russian personnel in their efforts to keep them at bay.

In a short post on Telegram on Thursday the Operation Command South of the Ukrainian Armed Forces said that “the enemy hastily evacuated the remnants of the garrison in two speedboats and probably left the island.”

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a reply to: Xcathdra

Hundreds of Ukrainian troops receive missile training from British Army

Revealing the hidden casualties of one elite Russian regiment in Ukraine.

This is a strange one-
The Kremlin are uber pissed off with the UK(Boris really)and have summoned the ambassador for a talking to.

The Kremlin has summoned the British ambassador over "offensive" comments from the UK and "deliberately false information".
Russia's foreign ministry said today a "strong protest" was expressed to ambassador Deborah Bronnert over "the frankly boorish statements of the British leadership regarding Russia, its leader and official representatives of the authorities, as well as the Russian people".
It said Ms Bronnert was handed a memorandum stating that "offensive rhetoric from representatives of the UK authorities is unacceptable" and "in polite society, it is customary to apologise for such statements".

news.sky.com...-body

Sounds like somebody is offended...this is a "polite society" after all.
It has to be connected to the G7 leaders mocking putin the other day,to which Putin has already responded and done so in a way which I think even all of us on this thread can agree with for once-

VLADIMIR Putin has said it would be "disgusting" to see Western leaders like Boris Johnson naked - after the PM mocked the Russian leader for his topless horse riding displays.
The 69-year-old dictator hit back after Boris Johnson and Canada's Justin Trudeau poked fun at Vlad as world leaders gathered in Germany for the G7.

www.thesun.co.uk...

Good to see we are firmly in the personal insults stage of the war.
Sort of makes it all seem ridiculous huh.

Kremlin spokesman Dmitry Peskov said: "You know that Russia no longer complies with the requirements of the ECHR,"

So basically he is saying "We will go on killing civilians and we don't give a crap about what anyone says!"

Just another example of Russia being prepared to commit war crimes and ignore all legal/moral conventions that the rest of the civilized world adhere to.

originally posted by: merka

originally posted by: Grimpachi

originally posted by: merka

originally posted by: Grimpachi
a reply to: Xcalibur254

Well, OK, it seems like it wasn't nonfunctioning so they got that wrong.

I will point out that Ukraine got it wrong as well. There were not 1,000 people in there and the mall wasn't attacked. Those are things they could have verified within the first hour or at the very least that day.

I do remember seeing a drone video of the mall from the front and if you look towards the very back, you can see what looks like the spot of impact glowing red hot.

As we know now the impact site was not even on mall property.

Oh.

Are you talking about the drone footage that clearly proves the central point of impact was inside the mall?

You are claiming the picture of a burned building where everything is collapsed inwards is the impact site.

Explosions blow debris out from where they hit. Not collapse things inwards.

There is zero sign of an explosion emanating from that building in the pic.

If you have no clue what you are looking at then don't make baseless claims if you do then stop lying.

I am also going to post this one more time which I know you have seen and shows exactly where the missile struck. So, stop lying.

For good measure, the two pics on the right clearly show the impact site on the property of the factory.

And we have debunked both your images with video footage and drone footage so do keep posting lies.

You're right, explosions blow debris out.

That's why literally the entire warehouse area at the back of it is completely gone. That roof which has half a hole in it and the crater "outside" - that's deep within the building.

You're denying reality.

None of you have debunked anything. You just keep saying up is down and black is white.

I bet none of you even know where the video of the missile was taken from because you all just lap up whatever Zelensky says.

No critical thought, no investigating claims.

You want people to believe that 1,000 Kgs of RDX high explosive can't knock the shelves down in a shopping mall not even knockng down glass bottles on the shelves and the roof collapsed instead of being blown out.
Yet, the same video you and other claim show the missile hitting the mall which BTW you can't see the mall from is over 400 ft away from the blast, more if you claim it hit the mall had glass breaking on camera from the shockwave.

You claim there is a crater where there is none.

You ignore the video showing the other impact site with what is likely the same type of missile that completely obliterated the building it hit and gouged out the buildings around it leaving an 8-foot-deep crater that went through concrete and steel.

The one denying reality is you not me.

Belarussian citizens have started receiving conscription notices, local news outlet Zerkalo reported on June 30. can't find this but on this one questionable source. Sounds like Ukrainian propaganda but who knows if not it's not a good sign

english.nv.ua...

Belarussian citizens have started receiving conscription notices, local news outlet Zerkalo reported on June 30.

According to the report, notices are being served even to people who were previously deemed unfit for service.
“(The notice) arrived at work by fax – the original didn’t get to my home (address)…,” a Minsk reservist told Zerkalo.

“There were around ten of us there. We were called in for individual meetings with someone from the regiment we’re attached to, I think. Our personal information was verified, and photos were compared. (They) checked if we still had the same shoe and clothing size, confirmed our military specialties.”

Belarussian enlistment offices denied this campaign has anything to do with the war in Ukraine, and said it all is related to exercises and territorial defense training.

a reply to: putnam6

That would be because Belarus President is trying to claim Poland is getting ready to invade Ukraine. Belarus is considering a preemptive invasion of Ukraine to prevent Poland from taking land.

Or that is how they are telling the lie.

* - Ukraine army could receive trainings on CzechRepublic territory, MoD @jana_cernochova said. Negotiations happening these days, @novinkycz informed

* - Destruction in Serhiivka of Bilhorod-Dnistrovsky district as result of 3 Russian Kh-22 missile strikes at 1 am tonight. 17 people killed, 31 wounded

* - Russian Army launched 3 Kh-22 missiles at Bilhorod-Dnistrovsky of Odesa region, residential apartments block destroyed, 14 people killed, 30 wounded. Another missile destroyed resort: 3 killed, 1 wounded

* - Shelling hit Karlivske reservoir, main water pipe cut

* - Biden says he doesn't know how the war will end in Ukraine but it will not end with defeat for Ukraine

* - Biden says the US will announce another $800+ million tranche of weapons to Ukraine "in the next few days," including air defense systems, artillery, radars, and HIMARS ammunition

* - Ukraine MFA: Syria's recognition of the so-called independence of Russian-occupied territories in Donbas is an unfriendly act towards Ukraine, an attack on its sovereignty, and a gross violation of the UN Charter. Ukraine will cut diplomatic ties with Syria and introduce a trade embargo

* - Rescuers found a body of a woman in a rubble of residential apartments block destroyed in Russian missile strike in Mykolaiv. Death toll increased to 7, with 6 more wounded

* - 6 wounded as result of Russian shelling in Sloviansk

* - Ukraine has started exporting electricity to the EU

* - Ukrainian army fully controls Potyomkyne village in Kherson region

* - At Avdiyivka, Kurakhove, Novopavlivka and Zaporizhzhia directions Russian army shelled Vodiane, Avdiivka, Maryinka, Vuhledar, Poltavka, Novoukrainske, Novosilka, Orikhiv. Russian aviation conducted airstrike near Avdiivka and Scherbaky. Russian forces attempted assault near Pavlivka, but failed and withdraw, - General Staff of Armed Forces of Ukraine says in the morning report

* - At Pivdenniy Buh direction Russian army shelled Kniazivka, Potyomkyne, Bereznehuvate, - General Staff of Armed Forces of Ukraine says in the morning report

* - Ukrainian military repelled Russian attacks near Klynove, Novoluhanske and Vuhlehirska power station, - General Staff of Armed Forces of Ukraine says in the morning report

* - At Bakhmut direction Russian army shelled Berestove, Pokrovske and Zvanivka. Russian aviation conducted airstrike near Pokrovske, - General Staff of Armed Forces of Ukraine says in the morning report

* - Russian forces conducting offensive near Lysychansk refinery, - General Staff of Armed Forces of Ukraine says in the morning report

* - At Donetsk direction Russian army attempting to block Lysychansk, capture parts of highway Lysychansk-Bakhmut. Russian army shelled Lysychansk, Verkhniokamianka and Siversk, aviation conducted airstrike near Vovchoyarivka, - General Staff of Armed Forces of Ukraine says in the morning report

* - At Sloviansk direction Russian army shelled Mazanivka, Dibrivne and Krasnopillia, - General Staff of Armed Forces of Ukraine says in the morning report

* - Ukrainian military repelled attack at Dementiivka. Russian aviation conducted airstrike near Prudianka and Verkhniy Saltiv, - General Staff of Armed Forces of Ukraine says in the morning report

* - At Kharkiv direction Russian army shelled Pytomnyk, Ukrayinka, Peremoha, Dementiyivka, Prudyanka, Korobochkyne and Rubizhne, - General Staff of Armed Forces of Ukraine says in the morning report

* - A group of Russian nationalists has captured a Ukrainian soldier with Israeli citizenship in recent days. The Foreign Ministry stated that "the issue is known and addressed"

* - 2x USMC F18´s tracking over Poland

As a reminder

Just so people know and understand. Information from war zones can become confusing as there will no doubt be info released from the players (on both sides) involved that might not necessarily be true.

As such take everything as a possibility and NOT as absolute truth.

The very first casualty in a war is the truth and all warfare is based on deception

Resources - Where most of the updates come from.
* - Flightradar24 - tracks flights worldwide
* - Live Ukraine control map 1 - updates on the ground
* - Ukraine Control Map 2
* - Ship radar
* - Military vessel tracker
* - Institute for the Study of War (ISW)
* - Stopfake - Countering Russian propaganda about Ukraine
* - MilitaryLand - Maps

Youtube resources -
* - Speak the Truth
* - War in Ukraine
* - Artur Rehi - Estonain soldier
* - Daily Report

Social media resources -
* - Twitter - Jomini of the West - Battlefield Maps

a reply to: Grimpachi

Yes, so you say. You keep repeating the same story, which others keep disputing. You may even believe it.

Russian missiles, or missile, hit a mall in Kyiv, killing a number of people, causing destruction and destroying families. The evidence is in the public domain. The only unanswered question is whether it was done on purpose, or accidentally.

This is a pattern of Russian munitions killing civilians. Either the Russians are very unlucky and just keep missing actual military targets, or they are wilfully committing war crimes.

a reply to: paraphi

I am going to go with intentional.

Russia is purposely terrorizing the citizens of Ukraine in an effort to break their will in addition to punishing them for not embracing the Russian invasion with open arms. Because Ukraine is fighting back, Putin is determined to punish them.