Russia Ukraine Update Thread - part 2

a reply to: merka

My claim about the second missile was that it hit outside the building,

Is that so? It sure doesn't look like that was your claim.

Here is your claim and the link to where you made it in this thread.

www.abovetopsecret.com...

So TL;DR Russia still hit the mall with a missile because they got # aim.

originally posted by: Grimpachi
a reply to: merka

My claim about the second missile was that it hit outside the building,

Is that so? It sure doesn't look like that was your claim.

Here is your claim and the link to where you made it in this thread.

www.abovetopsecret.com...

So TL;DR Russia still hit the mall with a missile because they got # aim.

That's the first missile. Not the second. I already told you.

First missile hit the mall smack in the back, clearly. The low angle it's coming in at and the unrefutable video proof show this, as feeble as your attempts to disprove it is.

The second missile hit just on the edge of the factory and most likely at a higher angle to create a deep crater and blowing out the entire side of the factory, which is what your earlier video show. Did I say before that there was no crater visible? Yes I did because I thought your pictures and your video was related. And the pictures show no craters. The one with the yellow circle comes close, but since the first missile hit at such a low angle as per above note...

a reply to: Grimpachi

turretless posted a statement from Russian MOD on the attack here.

Here is the relevant part:

Detonation of the storaged munitions caused a fire in a non-functioning shopping centre next to the facilities of the plant.

a reply to: merka

First missile hit the mall smack in the back, clearly. The low angle it's coming in at and the unrefutable video proof show this, as feeble as your attempts to disprove it is.

The first missile didn't even hit mall property. No matter how you try to twist things your statement is false.

If you had said the blast wave hit the mall that would be true. If there had been a direct strike on the mall there would have been very little left to burn.

The second missile hit just on the edge of the factory and most likely at a higher angle to create a deep crater and blowing out the entire side of the factory, which is what your earlier video show.

No, again, the first missile hit the edge of the factory. The second missile actually hit factory buildings. There is a huge crater where a building once stood.

As for your assessment of the higher angle. Just stop trying to BS.

Fact, two missiles hit within seconds of each other.
There is no reason to believe they were fired from different locations or that their make is different or that they would have different attack angles causing different cratering effects.

a reply to: Xcalibur254

Well, OK, it seems like it wasn't nonfunctioning so they got that wrong.

I will point out that Ukraine got it wrong as well. There were not 1,000 people in there and the mall wasn't attacked. Those are things they could have verified within the first hour or at the very least that day.

I do remember seeing a drone video of the mall from the front and if you look towards the very back, you can see what looks like the spot of impact glowing red hot.

As we know now the impact site was not even on mall property.

a reply to: Grimpachi

What is your damage dude? The problem ain’t what angle or where from it was fired… the problem is that Russian missiles are raining down on Ukraine to begin with!

Another honest question for our pro ruski friends, is why do you think Russia are invading in the first place? What do they need so badly that they just had to forcibly invade Ukraine, using tanks and planes and bobs and all the hideous tools of war?
Like honestly, what are your opinions and justifications for the horrendous act of war? (or "special operation if you must)

originally posted by: Grimpachi
a reply to: Xcalibur254

Well, OK, it seems like it wasn't nonfunctioning so they got that wrong.

I will point out that Ukraine got it wrong as well. There were not 1,000 people in there and the mall wasn't attacked. Those are things they could have verified within the first hour or at the very least that day.

I do remember seeing a drone video of the mall from the front and if you look towards the very back, you can see what looks like the spot of impact glowing red hot.

As we know now the impact site was not even on mall property.

Oh.

Are you talking about the drone footage that clearly proves the central point of impact was inside the mall?

Russia's story has changed yet again. The newest lie from Russia is claiming Ukraine bombed the mall themselves.


CCTV footage of shopping mall.




video of actual missile hitting mall

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As a reminder

Just so people know and understand. Information from war zones can become confusing as there will no doubt be info released from the players (on both sides) involved that might not necessarily be true.

As such take everything as a possibility and NOT as absolute truth.

The very first casualty in a war is the truth and all warfare is based on deception

Resources - Where most of the updates come from.
* - Flightradar24 - tracks flights worldwide
* - Live Ukraine control map 1 - updates on the ground
* - Ukraine Control Map 2
* - Ship radar
* - Military vessel tracker
* - Institute for the Study of War (ISW)
* - Stopfake - Countering Russian propaganda about Ukraine
* - MilitaryLand - Maps

Youtube resources -
* - Speak the Truth
* - War in Ukraine
* - Artur Rehi - Estonain soldier
* - Daily Report

Social media resources -
* - Twitter - Jomini of the West - Battlefield Maps

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* - Zelensky to NATO leaders: You must support Ukraine with advanced and long-range defensive weapons

* - Ukrainian President to the leaders of NATO countries: Russia's war is not only against Ukraine, it is against all of Europe

* - Zelensky to NATO leaders: Russia only understands the language of force and retreat would be a failure for Ukraine and the alliance

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* - At Lysychansk direction Russian army continued assault on Lysychansk and at Vovchoyarivka - Verkhniokamianka direction, - General Staff of Armed Forces of Ukraine says in the morning report

* - Russian army shelled Ukrainian positions near Mayaky and Serebrianka, - General Staff of Armed Forces of Ukraine says in the morning report

* - At Sloviansk direction Russian army conducting assault actions at Bohorodychne-Krasnopillia, - General Staff of Armed Forces of Ukraine says in the morning report

* - Turkish Ministry of Defense: Neutralizing two members of the Syrian Democratic Forces who tried to attack the "Euphrates Shield" area

* - 2 dead as result of Russian missile strike in Dnipro city yesterday

* - Russians storm Lysychansk and try to take control of Bakhmut-Lysychansk highway

* - Russian army shelled Tsyrkuny, Derhachi, 3 districts of Kharkiv city, Chuhuiv, Pechenihiv yesterday with MLRS

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* - Explosions in Dnipro city

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* - Possible air defense working over Synelnykove district

* - Residential apartments block destroyed as result of Russian missile strike in Mykolaiv

As a reminder

Just so people know and understand. Information from war zones can become confusing as there will no doubt be info released from the players (on both sides) involved that might not necessarily be true.

As such take everything as a possibility and NOT as absolute truth.

The very first casualty in a war is the truth and all warfare is based on deception

Resources - Where most of the updates come from.
* - Flightradar24 - tracks flights worldwide
* - Live Ukraine control map 1 - updates on the ground
* - Ukraine Control Map 2
* - Ship radar
* - Military vessel tracker
* - Institute for the Study of War (ISW)
* - Stopfake - Countering Russian propaganda about Ukraine
* - MilitaryLand - Maps

Youtube resources -
* - Speak the Truth
* - War in Ukraine
* - Artur Rehi - Estonain soldier
* - Daily Report

Social media resources -
* - Twitter - Jomini of the West - Battlefield Maps

originally posted by: Subaeruginosa
a reply to: Grimpachi

What is your damage dude? The problem ain’t what angle or where from it was fired… the problem is that Russian missiles are raining down on Ukraine to begin with!

The day you start caring about the hundreds of rounds and missiles and artillery rounds raining down on Donetsk civilian centers every day is the day I give a damn about what you say on this.

a reply to: Grimpachi

Russia should never have invaded Ukraine and you really need to stop with the bs propaganda lies. Donetsk is occupied territory of Ukraine and Russia and the fake Republics have military units inside Donetsk, contrary to the lies you tell. Like insisting there are no russian / fake republic military units in Donetsk.

I look forward to you trying to lie your way out of the hole you dug for yourself.

originally posted by: merka

originally posted by: Grimpachi
a reply to: Xcalibur254

Well, OK, it seems like it wasn't nonfunctioning so they got that wrong.

I will point out that Ukraine got it wrong as well. There were not 1,000 people in there and the mall wasn't attacked. Those are things they could have verified within the first hour or at the very least that day.

I do remember seeing a drone video of the mall from the front and if you look towards the very back, you can see what looks like the spot of impact glowing red hot.

As we know now the impact site was not even on mall property.

Oh.

Are you talking about the drone footage that clearly proves the central point of impact was inside the mall?

You are claiming the picture of a burned building where everything is collapsed inwards is the impact site.

Explosions blow debris out from where they hit. Not collapse things inwards.

There is zero sign of an explosion emanating from that building in the pic.

If you have no clue what you are looking at then don't make baseless claims if you do then stop lying.

I am also going to post this one more time which I know you have seen and shows exactly where the missile struck. So, stop lying.



For good measure, the two pics on the right clearly show the impact site on the property of the factory.

a reply to: Grimpachi

There is video evidence showing a Russian missile hitting to shopping center. Also Russia has changed their lie once again. claiming it was Ukraine that fired the missile so they could get sympathy from the west bs.

Russia committed a war crime and you are defending the act.


enough of your propaganda.

originally posted by: Xcathdra
a reply to: Grimpachi

Russia should never have invaded Ukraine and you really need to stop with the bs propaganda lies. Donetsk is occupied territory of Ukraine and Russia and the fake Republics have military units inside Donetsk, contrary to the lies you tell. Like insisting there are no russian / fake republic military units in Donetsk.

I look forward to you trying to lie your way out of the hole you dug for yourself.

You really need to stop justifying terrorism. You need to stop clapping for killing civilians. You need to stop lying and pushing Ukrainian propaganda. You need to stop justifying torture.

You need to stop lying and claiming civilian homes, schools, fire stations, maternity wards, hospitals, and apartment buildings in Donetsk are military targets.

a reply to: Grimpachi

Thank you for proving my point of what you are doing - spreading lies and propaganda. Next time make sure you get the current Russian lies so you don't look stupid by using Russia's lies from 2 days ago.

a reply to: Xcathdra

There is video evidence showing a Russian missile hitting to shopping center.

No there really isn't. Or at the very least you haven't posted it. You need to stop lying and claiming there is.

You did show a video that has been posted before of a missile hitting the ground on the factory's property.

That wasn't showing any buildings being hit.