Russia Ukraine Update Thread - part 2

originally posted by: fuzz4262
Orlan drone films Krasnopol strike on a bunched group of Ukrainians. It is claimed there is 1 survivor to tell the tale.

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and we know the soldiers are Ukrainian how?

a reply to: Xcathdra

There might have been some foreigners fighting for Ukraine but I think at least most of them should be Ukrainians. It is not easy to travel to Ukraine at the moment because no functional airport.

More than 6 and a half million people have fled Ukraine so far. As more and more people flee Ukraine, it becomes more and more difficult for Kiev government to raise that 1 million men army to fight Russia, especially as more and more land fall to Russia and rebels and economy continues to deteriorate.

More than 6.5 million people have fled Ukraine, U.N. agency says

a reply to: fuzz4262

Thats why the bulk of foreigners fly to Poland and then cross into Ukraine. However it still does not answer my question - How do we know the group of soldiers are fighting for Ukraine. There are documented accounts of Russians accidentally bombing their own ground units as well as Russian ground units shooting down their own planes.


Also -
The stories of Russian soldiers who refuse to fight in Ukraine

a reply to: Xcathdra

The men were probably in a Ukrainian held part of Donbas when they were bombed. Good chance they were Ukrainians or foreign fighters instead of rebels or Russians.

a reply to: fuzz4262

Mostly women, children, elderly as well as people who dont meet the physical criteria to fight.

But at least Ukraine can get its citizens to fight, unlike Russia where they are refusing.

originally posted by: fuzz4262
a reply to: Xcathdra

The men were probably in a Ukrainian held part of Donbas when they were bombed. Good chance they were Ukrainians or foreign fighters instead of rebels or Russians.

The way your dancing around the question asked is telling. So in other words you cant say for certain the soldiers in question are fighting for Ukraine and are just repeating the Russian narrative - check

Of course, a perpetual war is good for the West. The West does not want Kievan Rus to reunite the East Slavs under a single banner. If that were to happen, after annexing Russia and Belarus, Ukraine would be quite a threat to the stability of Europe and the rest of the world. You see Ukraine uses the Trident of Kievan Rus, which means Ukrainians see themselves as descendants of Kievan Rus.

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The strategy of the West should be to supply military hardware to Kiev to keep the war going forever for all intents and purposes, but not enough for Ukraine to invade and annex Russia and Belarus.

a reply to: fuzz4262

So Ukrainian claims predate Russian claims. Using Russias mindset Russia should not exist and they are currently occupying stolen land from Ukraine.

Also no matter how hard you try the fact remains Russia invaded Ukraine and is getting its as kicked in the process so not amount of blame you lob towards the west will work. If you want it to work then may I suggest you go to a Russian state controlled website where you will find and abundance of ignorant people who will believe the bs you push.

Also can you point out in your post where it has anything to do with updates on the Russian war in Ukraine.

a reply to: Xcathdra

Correct. Ukraine has great ambition. Ukrainians consider themselves true successor of Kievan Rus. They try to annex Russia and Belarus to reunite East Slavs under a single banner. This makes Ukraine a threat to Europe and the rest of the world. So the strategy of the West should be to arm Ukraine to keep the war going forever for all intents and purposes.

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and yet it was Russia who invaded Ukraine... So its safer to say Putin has great ambition.

The only threat to Europe and the world is Russia and China.

The only reason the west is arming Ukraine is so they can stop the Russian invasion.

Also still not sure what a history lesson has to do with Updates to the Russian Ukraine war. It appears to me that your intent is to bury useful information under posts about nothing or bs.

a reply to: Xcathdra

Russia invades Ukraine gives Ukraine the carte blanche to invade Russia. This is the dream of Ukrainians. To reunite all East Slavs once again under Kievan Rus, the one and only true Rus.

China and Russia are the big threat. China is the most populous country in Asia. Russia is the most populous country in Europe. Asia and Europe form the core of the Old World. The Old World is the core of humanity.

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Also still not sure what a history lesson has to do with Updates to the Russian Ukraine war. It appears to me that your intent is to bury useful information under posts about nothing or bs.

Russians continue advance past Lyman, reaching outskirt of Slavyansk. Slavyansk bears the name of Slavs, so the battle is expected to be intense.

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originally posted by: Xcathdra
a reply to: fuzz4262
The only reason the west is arming Ukraine is so they can stop the Russian invasion.

Not even Napoleon and Hitler were able to stop Russian invasion. The tiny amount of hardware the US supplied is far from sufficient to stop Russian invasion. They will need to send F-16, A-10, far more than what they sent.

a reply to: fuzz4262

and yet here we are, day 92 of the Russian 5 day invasion...

a reply to: Xcathdra

True, but the war is not static. Russians are taking over places. In order for the war to last forever for all intents and purposes the West will have to supply more military hardware including F-16, A-10, Tomahawk.

a reply to: fuzz4262

The war wont last forever and the longer it drags on the greater the chances that Putin will be "retired" early.


Has Ukraine Broken the Russian Military?
With thousands of troops dead, Russia seems desperate for new soldiers—allowing enlistees as old as 50, U.S. defense official says.

At full strength, Russia’s active-duty Army, including conscripts, has about 280,000 troops, according to the International Institute for Strategic Studies, which publishes an annual assessment of military end strengths and weapon worldwide. IISS reported in its February 2022 Military Balance report—the final one ante bellum—that Russia had more than 2,900 tanks in active use, including 2,000-plus T-72 variants, and another 10,200 T-72s and T-80s in storage.

“They still have the significant amount of the majority of their capability left to them,” the senior defense official said Thursday.

FDD’s Brobst said that while Russia will be challenged in the short term, it will pull weapons from storage, and would likely cut non-defense budgets to fund its re-arming.

.....Sanctions have already shut down two of Russia’s tank factories, Uralvagonzavod Corporation and Chelyabinsk Tractor Plant and will make it harder for Russia to obtain computer chips and electronics components for new weapons, Brobst and Pentagon spokesman John Kirby said.

Personnel-wise, Russia has gone all-in on Ukraine, and it’s taken a toll.

The senior defense official said Russia has committed more than 80 percent of “their entire battalion tactical groups” to invading Ukraine, 110 of which are currently in the Donbas region.

“They've invested an awful lot of their hardware and their personnel in this fight,” the official said.

A Russian battalion tactical group can be as large as 600 to 800 personnel. The units fighting in Ukraine are likely smaller than that, because Russia has classified the attack on Ukraine as a “special military operation” and not a war, so their reserve forces have not been activated, Brobst said.

Russia recently put out a call for volunteers from the Army Reserve to come fight in Ukraine, the official said, and it’s recently increased the age of enlistment to 50 years old to replenish troops it has lost.

“It used to be that you couldn't be any older than 40 to join the Russian army. Now you can be 50 years old, and they've been public about that,” the official said.

originally posted by: fuzz4262
a reply to: Xcathdra

True, but the war is not static. Russians are taking over places. In order for the war to last forever for all intents and purposes the West will have to supply more military hardware including F-16, A-10, Tomahawk.

Are you trying to frighten folks here with your nonsense?

Many of would love to give Ukraine 3000 M1s and 1000 4th gen fighters tomorrow.

You're in the wrong place, that isn't gonna work here.

a reply to: fuzz4262

You seem to revel in war and want it to last "forever".

You also talk utter nonsense.

Why don't you sign up and fight for Russia?

I think we all know the answer.