Saving UKRAINE is NOT Worth a War Between the USA and RUSSIA.

originally posted by: ufoorbhunter
Slavs have been have inter Slav disputes for thousands of years it not worth the rest of humanity being turned into glass for the sake of yet another dispute. Carewemust has a point here

It wouldn't matter which country Russia was invading in that Region. If Putin wants INDIA, it's up to MODI and his people fight off Russia.

If Putin invades Canada? I don't know. It's not like he's invaded the USA, but he'd be very close! Should we initiate WWIII, or just let Trudeau be taken away and Replaced by a Russian proxy?

originally posted by: putnam6
Im not sure of the limit but there has to be a threshold for our involvement.

Ummm…that threshold came and went…

The time to get involved…was when the US and Europe was decimating the Middle East…

You remember…when they were about the business of invading sovereign nations…and decapitating their governments…

That’s when the world should have gotten involved…


How about we not play the game of…how much blood is on Russias hands…when there are whole lakes worth of it on the hands of the US and Europe…

Or was all those millions of liters of spilled blood…a righteous cause in your estimation…?



YouSir

a reply to: carewemust

All it takes is to look at Biden's whole career, and his involvement in spreading 'neo - liberalism'. And you can see how all of this has fallen into place.

What we are witnessing is Putin's final grand big F*ck you to Biden and the USA. Nothing more. What are they gonna do? Launch nuclear weapons? As much as I do not like what Putin has done, he's got a huge pair. And he has given it right back.

Such a shame... We all suffer.

a reply to: TzarChasm

I imagine he's been questioned and pressured by his allies who are gradually embracing a new era of economy and national identity so he takes out his boomer frustration on NATO for making him look obsolete.

Maybe... maybe not. Lots of other folks think they are all "yes men," afraid to cross him (because that's just how scary Putin is), and didn't dare speak against the invasion...

originally posted by: Boadicea

originally posted by: Sookiechacha
a reply to: Boadicea

He did it in Crimea.

Not exactly:

Crimeans vote overwhelmingly to secede from Ukraine, join Russia

The reality is, he's doing it some more now. Right now!

Meh -- he may be trying... but if he is, he's not doing very well at it. At all.

Kinda exactly.

In February and March 2014, Russia invaded and subsequently annexed the Crimean Peninsula from Ukraine. This event took place in the aftermath of the Revolution of Dignity and is part of the wider Russo-Ukrainian War.
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On 27 February, masked Russian troops without insignia took over the Supreme Council (parliament) of Crimea and captured strategic sites across Crimea, which led to the installation of the pro-Russian Sergey Aksyonov government in Crimea, the conducting of the Crimean status referendum and the declaration of Crimea's independence on 16 March 2014. Russia formally incorporated Crimea as two Russian federal subjects—the Republic of Crimea and the federal city of Sevastopol on 18 March. Following the annexation, Russia escalated military presence on the peninsula and leveraged nuclear threats to solidify the new status quo on the ground.

en.wikipedia.org...

Ukraine and many other countries condemned the annexation and consider it to be a violation of international law and Russian-signed agreements safeguarding the territorial integrity of Ukraine, including the 1991 Belavezha Accords that established the Commonwealth of Independent States, the 1975 Helsinki Accords, the 1994 Budapest Memorandum on Security Assurances and the 1997 Treaty on friendship, cooperation and partnership between the Russian Federation and Ukraine

From your link:
ex]Fireworks exploded and Russian flags fluttered above jubilant crowds Sunday after residents in Crimea voted overwhelmingly to secede from Ukraine and join Russia. The United States and Europe condemned the ballot as illegal and destabilizing and were expected to slap sanctions against Russia for it.

It all sounds familiar.

originally posted by: Oppositeoftruth
No war, agreed. In fact, as this conflict progresses I find myself questioning motives more and more. I really don't think Putin wants war, but he will go to war if need be. He's definitely the 'bad guy' in all this. I do not however think that we've even remotely been told the truth about anything. It seems like both sides are willing to loose a lot of citizens, and the people backing Ukraine like soros and Pelosi all the people whom I personally trust least, have some stake in this that we don't understand.

Something is very out of place, because "Blood Thirsty Manic" Vladimir Putin and his "massive army of destruction", have only killed 364 civilians (1,123 total "casualties", which includes the injured), according to United Nations officials.

Source: news.un.org...

People inside the "peaceful" USA have killed more than 364 over the past 10 days.

originally posted by: IAMTAT
a reply to: carewemust

Saving UKRAINE is NOT Worth a War Between the USA and RUSSIA.

Why do you love Putin?

Also...Zelenskyy is Churchill 2.0.

Why do you love war?

originally posted by: wdkirk
There won’t be a war between the US and Russia.

Smoke and mirrors.

So no matter what we do to save Ukraine, the people of US/Russia and the world, are safe?

Can you assure humankind of this?

a reply to: Freeborn

It's what jesus would do.

But really. It would be the best thing for the world if ukriane gave up and we all worked on a better plan to help them that doesn't include ww3.

a reply to: Sookiechacha

But even then, Putin was purporting to protect Russian people and Russian interests which were being threatened by Ukraine/the west's actions, including the same neo-Nazi militant groups discussed ad nauseum which were committing acts of war upon their fellow Ukrainians -- Russian sympathetic, Russian heritage, Russian loyalties. Aggressions and acts of war that continued up to Russia's invasion, and continue to this day (from numerous reports).

But a vote was allowed, and the vote was officially declared overwhelmingly for leaving Ukraine for Russia. Is anyone accusing Russia of stealing the election? Any election fraud at all? Or were these people genuinely so tired of the violence against them that they had no love or loyalty left for Ukraine?

So "not exactly." Because of the vote, a very good case can be made that Russia was in fact and in deed acting in defense of their lives and best interests against the aggressions and acts of war they were suffering by Ukraine/Ukrainians. In which case, Russia was not the aggressor, but the defender or liberator.

a reply to: Sookiechacha

What makes you think putin wants to take over the world?

Remake the ussr sure but take the world? That doesn't fit with who he is.

a reply to: Boadicea

But a vote was allowed, and the vote was officially declared overwhelmingly for leaving Ukraine for Russia. Is anyone accusing Russia of stealing the election? Any election fraud at all? Or were these people genuinely so tired of the violence against them that they had no love or loyalty left for Ukraine?

That was AFTER Russia invaded, annexed, occupied and installed a new government and threaten nuclear retaliation against nations that might think about interfereing with Putin's goal.

originally posted by: Valhall
a reply to: Sookiechacha

We really are LITERALLY showing him how scared we are of causing him to initiate nuclear exchange. We have a megaphone pointed at Moscow and we're shouting "WE ARE PISSING OURSELVES!!!!"

And it's the truth. If anyone here claims they are not scared of a nuclear exchange with russia then they are 100% fools.

a reply to: scraedtosleep

That doesn't fit with who he is.

Oh. Who is he then?

a reply to: Sookiechacha

You think you know anymore than I do?

I don't think he wants the world.

This how deceptive our own US government under the senile biden administration is,

While we are all debating the no soo unclear invasion of UK and wanting the involvement of our own troops in the region, the senile crap in the white house is working a nuclear deal with Iran the same nation that chanted on 9/11 "dead to America and Israel should get wipe out of the face of earth" and the nation doing the deal for the US is yep Russia.

Now what in the hell is going on in the world and what are the traitors in the white house doing to America and the people.

a reply to: carewemust

The Greatest Threat to Americans Safety and Freedom is Our OWN Federal Government .....

banned.video...

originally posted by: scraedtosleep
a reply to: Sookiechacha

You think you know anymore than I do?

I don't think he wants the world.

Do you think your opinion is more valid than mine?

Are you a democrat or republican today?

a reply to: MiddleInsite

Those who forget history are doomed to repeat it.

Is there something we forgot?

a reply to: Sookiechacha