Why are atheist so angry with God?

a reply to: daskakik

You see, I'm not trolling, it's just that I have had experiences that made me question the story in the bible. Allowed my to notice inconsistencies in the plot.

I'm still trying to understand what inconsistencies you're talking about. When I thought I understood what you were talking about, you changed the subject, so I still don't understand what you're talking about.

So, maybe if you walk us through one of your "experiences", we'll understand better what you're talking about.

As an Atheist I can tell you exactly why I am so agrey with God. He gave humanity free will but than he compells humans to worship him under threat of eternal damnation. We humans would never accept this level of megalomania among ourselves why do we accept it from our God? So ofcourse I am angree with God.

a reply to: daskakik

No, it is that the bible says in one part that sinners can't enter heaven and in another the greatest sinner not only enters heaven but chit chats with god.

For humans who have faith in Jesus and believe that he died for their sins, their sins are wiped clean so they can enter heaven.

The heavens that the angels roam are not the heaven that we will be entering. The Bible tells us that the old heaven and earth will pass away and will be replaced with a new one. Jesus told his disciples that he was going to prepare a new place for all of them to reside together someday.

As for angels, there is no reconciliation plan of forgiveness. Angels have known who God is from the time they were created. For those who chose to rebel against him anyway, they will not be joining us there. Satan will be thrown in the Lake of Fire along with the other rebel angels.

a reply to: dandandat2

As an Atheist I can tell you exactly why I am so agrey with God. He gave humanity free will but than he compells humans to worship him under threat of eternal damnation. We humans would never accept this level of megalomania among ourselves why do we accept it from our God? So ofcourse I am angree with God.

By this may I humbly suggest that your anger should be at yourself. Because you have CHOSEN
not to understand the Father on the most simple terms. For instance:

Am I to understand that you are angry because God gave us free will?

And this:

he compells humans to worship him under threat of eternal damnation.

? Really? If that were the case he would never be considered merciful
and forgiving by any one.

You have a total lack of understanding for your Father in Heaven.

Eternal damnation is only for the wicked because they unlike human
beings are immortal.

But hey! You can still choose to be angry.




Almost forgot it makes no sense for an atheist to be angry at God.

Total nonsense.

a reply to: daskakik

You go through the soul refining process of life so you can appreciate heaven and there is no need for judgment, a savior or the threat of hell.

Actually, there are christians who think this is actually how it works.

I'm assuming that people are getting this idea from Zechariah, chapter 13. The only problem is that the book tells us that two thirds of the Jews will be cut off and die and the third that remain will be refined as gold and accept Jesus as their Savior.

a reply to: dandandat2

As an Atheist I can tell you exactly why I am so agrey with God. He gave humanity free will but than he compells humans to worship him under threat of eternal damnation. We humans would never accept this level of megalomania among ourselves why do we accept it from our God? So ofcourse I am angree with God.

All laws, whether natural or human have consequences if they're not followed. So, is your anger mostly placed with the fact that we were given free will to break them? I struggle with this sometimes. Do I understand why God preferred that we "choose" him over being forced? Yes, but it still doesn't make me feel better about having to share this world with other people who use their own free will to hurt others. However, it does give me a reason to thank him and appreciate him everyday for the way he protects me from the pain and suffering that we're capable of experiencing here.

originally posted by: Randyvine2

Almost forgot it makes no sense for an atheist to be angry at God.

Total nonsense.

I didn't start this thread asking why Atheist are angry at God.

If Atheists being angry at God, their Father in Heaven, is nonsensical there's nothing I can really do about that.

The best I can do is explain why I as an Atheist am angry at God. And the way It treats humans is, in my opinion, a good reason to be angry with It.

I must admit I really don't know how It treats "the immortal wicked"; they seem more problematic than humans so maybe they deserve their fait.

originally posted by: Deetermined
a reply to: dandandat2

As an Atheist I can tell you exactly why I am so agrey with God. He gave humanity free will but than he compells humans to worship him under threat of eternal damnation. We humans would never accept this level of megalomania among ourselves why do we accept it from our God? So ofcourse I am angree with God.

All laws, whether natural or human have consequences if they're not followed. So, is your anger mostly placed with the fact that we were given free will to break them? I struggle with this sometimes. Do I understand why God preferred that we "choose" him over being forced? Yes, but it still doesn't make me feel better about having to share this world with other people who use their own free will to hurt others. However, it does give me a reason to thank him and appreciate him everyday for the way he protects me from the pain and suffering that we're capable of experiencing here.

My children are often not happy with the rules I impose on them or the consequences for breaking those rules. In those times when they are unhappy with me I take comfort in knowing that their temporary displeasure is worth keeping them safe and teaching them about the world. So to me, an Atheist, it makes perfect sense that our God imposes rules on us, even if we don't always fully understand them.

What I don't do is make my children worship me; that would be a little creepy. If I came home to find that they had built an altar to me in their bedrooms so that they could prove to me how much they loved me and how they plan to do my bidding; I would sit them down and explain the folly of their actions. I don't need their praise; I didn't bring them into this world to praise me; I want them to be kind, attentive and good people for their own sake, not mine.

a reply to: Deetermined

So, maybe if you walk us through one of your "experiences", we'll understand better what you're talking about.

OBEs. In 40 years or so of experiencing them I have never seen Yahweh or Jesus.

The Bible tells us that the old heaven and earth will pass away and will be replaced with a new one.

It isn't the where but the why.

Satan will be thrown in the Lake of Fire along with the other rebel angels.

Some say the rebellion took place before humans were created.

I'm assuming that people are getting this idea from Zechariah, chapter 13.

No it was the discussion that GoShredAK and I were having. He said:

I'm sure God could take an ATS atheists suggestions and just make everything perfect in an instant.......then what?

No this life is a journey and a refining process of our souls......

And later:

Robot children who haven't fully developed their souls and spirits in preparation for the next life.....idk?

And I replied, incorporating the second line of the first idea and pointing out that the whole sin, savior, threat of hell was not needed.

a reply to: dandandat2

What I don't do is make my children worship me; that would be a little creepy. If I came home to find that they had built an altar to me in their bedrooms so that they could prove to me how much they loved me and how they plan to do my bidding; I would sit them down and explain the folly of their actions. I don't need their praise; I didn't bring them into this world to praise me; I want them to be kind, attentive and good people for their own sake, not mine.

When you say you want your children to be good people for their own sake, what sake is that? Isn't that what God wants too? He wants people to be good and follow him so that they have the opportunity to experience eternity in a perfect place that's been created for them.

You're right about the fact that having your children worship you would be a folly. You're not the one who's able to watch over them 24/7 to protect them or keep them from death, much less help them to experience an eternity in heaven.

God doesn't need our praise either. He deserves it.

a reply to: daskakik

OBEs. In 40 years or so of experiencing them I have never seen Yahweh or Jesus.

Neither has anyone else because God doesn't approve of such practices. It's too easy for deceiving spirits to lead people astray in this matter. There are plenty of poser angels out there posing as something or someone that they are not, so don't expect to get "all" of the answers out there either. Like anything else, there can always be a hint of truth in the messages being conveyed to suck people in, but it's no more reliable than what you believe the Bible to be.

a reply to: Deetermined
Right because instead of relying on my personal experiences I'm gonna trust some story of unknown origin to be the truth.

originally posted by: Deetermined
a reply to: dandandat2

What I don't do is make my children worship me; that would be a little creepy. If I came home to find that they had built an altar to me in their bedrooms so that they could prove to me how much they loved me and how they plan to do my bidding; I would sit them down and explain the folly of their actions. I don't need their praise; I didn't bring them into this world to praise me; I want them to be kind, attentive and good people for their own sake, not mine.

When you say you want your children to be good people for their own sake, what sake is that? Isn't that what God wants too? He wants people to be good and follow him so that they have the opportunity to experience eternity in a perfect place that's been created for them.

You're right about the fact that having your children worship you would be a folly. You're not the one who's able to watch over them 24/7 to protect them or keep them from death, much less help them to experience an eternity in heaven.

God doesn't need our praise either. He deserves it.

As an Atheist I can fully understand why my God wants people to be good. Its the part where It wants people to follow him that, in my opinion, requires more scrutiny. That It uses the promise of eternity in a perfect place to compell humans to follow It sounds like extortion to me.

While you are correct that I can not protect my children 24/7 nor can I promise them eternity in heaven; I wouldn't hold that over their heads if I could. I love my children and give them all that I humanely can no mater what they give me in return. Its interesting that God has allowed humans to believe It would not do the same for Its children.

I sometimes feel that I deserve love and respect from my children; I am more powerful than they are and I sacrifice for them. But that love and respect wouldn't be worth it if it turned into unconditional praise. The problem with unconditional praise is that its unconditional; its for anything or nothing; its hollow.

a reply to: daskakik

It isn't the where but the why.

First you believed there was an inconsistency about who could enter heaven and I explained why that really wasn't the case, so now you say there's an inconsistency about the why? What inconsistency of "why" in the Bible are you talking about? You keep moving the goal post.

Some say the rebellion took place before humans were created.

Wherever there's free will, there's always going to be rebellion. Did Satan lead other angels astray and try to turn them against God before humans were created? Maybe, but that might have been a little harder to do before humans came along. The Bible focuses on Satan and his angels leading humans astray and trying to get humans to worship them in place of God.

a reply to: daskakik

Right because instead of relying on my personal experiences I'm gonna trust some story of unknown origin to be the truth.

People who worship the God of the Bible have personal experiences too that lead them to believe that what's written is true. We all experience different things and we're all free to believe what we will. That's not to say that I'm not interested in hearing about your experiences. Like I said, I think a morsel of truth can be found anywhere.

Based on your OBE experiences, what are you being led to believe as it pertains to faith?

a reply to: dandandat2

As an Atheist I can fully understand why my God wants people to be good. Its the part where It wants people to follow him that, in my opinion, requires more scrutiny. That It uses the promise of eternity in a perfect place to compell humans to follow It sounds like extortion to me.

I can understand your feelings about that. But I also know that humans have some kind of built in tendencies to act and behave certain ways on more of a reward/punishment system. That's probably a bad analogy, but sometimes it's the only thing that motivates us. Otherwise, we'd all just behave on a whim not caring about the outcome.

While you are correct that I can not protect my children 24/7 nor can I promise them eternity in heaven; I wouldn't hold that over their heads if I could. I love my children and give them all that I humanely can no mater what they give me in return. Its interesting that God has allowed humans to believe It would not do the same for Its children.

As a parent, I can totally relate to that. It's hard to imagine the idea of doing anything to hurt or punish them even if they were to commit some heinous act of evil, but we're not capable of perfect justice either. God's ways, thoughts, and laws are higher than ours. We have a way of rationalizing crap based on emotions that God probably doesn't do, even though he's capable of experiencing them. That's a tough one. Handing out justice, even when it's perfect, can't be easy.

I sometimes feel that I deserve love and respect from my children; I am more powerful than they are and I sacrifice for them. But that love and respect wouldn't be worth it if it turned into unconditional praise. The problem with unconditional praise is that its unconditional; its for anything or nothing; its hollow.

That's probably why God gave us free will. He's not forcing us to do anything either. If God were to save everyone no matter what, wouldn't some people call that unconditional love? Would your definitions of unconditional praise and love change then? Should we praise the idea that everyone should be saved or praised no matter what? Once again, I think these fall into that same category of not wanting to be the perfect Creator who's capable of delivering perfect justice. Being God is a tougher job than ours as parents to only a few.

originally posted by: Deetermined
a reply to: dandandat2

As an Atheist I can fully understand why my God wants people to be good. Its the part where It wants people to follow him that, in my opinion, requires more scrutiny. That It uses the promise of eternity in a perfect place to compell humans to follow It sounds like extortion to me.

I can understand your feelings about that. But I also know that humans have some kind of built in tendencies to act and behave certain ways on more of a reward/punishment system. That's probably a bad analogy, but sometimes it's the only thing that motivates us. Otherwise, we'd all just behave on a whim not caring about the outcome.

While you are correct that I can not protect my children 24/7 nor can I promise them eternity in heaven; I wouldn't hold that over their heads if I could. I love my children and give them all that I humanely can no mater what they give me in return. Its interesting that God has allowed humans to believe It would not do the same for Its children.

As a parent, I can totally relate to that. It's hard to imagine the idea of doing anything to hurt or punish them even if they were to commit some heinous act of evil, but we're not capable of perfect justice either. God's ways, thoughts, and laws are higher than ours. We have a way of rationalizing crap based on emotions that God probably doesn't do, even though he's capable of experiencing them. That's a tough one. Handing out justice, even when it's perfect, can't be easy.

I sometimes feel that I deserve love and respect from my children; I am more powerful than they are and I sacrifice for them. But that love and respect wouldn't be worth it if it turned into unconditional praise. The problem with unconditional praise is that its unconditional; its for anything or nothing; its hollow.

That's probably why God gave us free will. He's not forcing us to do anything either. If God were to save everyone no matter what, wouldn't some people call that unconditional love? Would your definitions of unconditional praise and love change then? Should we praise the idea that everyone should be saved or praised no matter what? Once again, I think these fall into that same category of not wanting to be the perfect Creator who's capable of delivering perfect justice. Being God is a tougher job than ours as parents to only a few.

Thank you that was a very interesting argument. Its given me a lot to think about.

a reply to: dandandat2

As an Atheist I can fully understand why my God wants people to be good.

From the discussions taking place here, I think we're confusing the term "atheist" because atheists don't believe that any God exists, so I'm assuming that you consider yourself (as well as others here) as being Agnostic? Believing in a God that hasn't been defined by the Bible or any text?

Maybe that's why the OP titled his thread the way he did. I think he believes that everyone really knows there's a God, but they choose to reject the one defined by the Bible.

a reply to: Deetermined
No you didn't explain away the inconsistency because the "why" is because god says he doesn't want sinners in heaven. It was why satan was cast from heaven, before humans were created and ends up in the garden but for some strange reason in job he is allowed to enter.

People who worship the God of the Bible have personal experiences too that lead them to believe that what's written is true.

I know I used to be one of them.

Based on your OBE experiences, what are you being led to believe as it pertains to faith?

I'm not being led to believe anything. I have seen a couple things and thinking about it, I could see how people could have had a similar experience and ended up creating the various religions of the world.

a reply to: dandandat2

I didn't start this thread asking why Atheist are angry at God.

True but I never said I agree with the threads premise either.

What is nonsensical is being angry at something you don't believe exists.

I can only ascribe that to myself getting mad at the tooth fairy.

It just doesn't happen unless I believe in the tooth fairy.

The best I can do is explain why I as an Atheist am angry at God. And the way It treats humans is, in my opinion, a good reason to be angry with It.

And you never even give your opinion enough thought to realize how utterly
ridiculous it is for you to think you know anything about how he treats humans?

I must admit I really don't know how It treats "the immortal wicked"; they seem more problematic than humans so maybe they deserve their fait.

Tell me what you know about the fate of either one?

I don't mean to be curt with you but atheism is the most outlandish nonsensical
most remote and 1000% impossible notion only a human being could come up with.
It is a lie that can only be pulled off for this short period of time that anyone can
see is coming to close very soon. My hope is to keep people from falling for it.

Not to convert prove preach correct lecture or anything else. I figure as long
people aren't that deceived the rest is up to them. Even how important it is,
Is up to you to decide. As for me I wouldn't want to face the creator of the
universe without Jesus Christ standing next to me. Not after the snip I've
done.

How many times have you created something that judged you?

Do you see how ridiculous that is? I hope?