Why are atheist so angry with God?

originally posted by: Wookiep
But when you're sitting in the absence of God, (Anything and all things of God are good) in deep space...

I've done that during an OBE, sign me up.

You see, I'm not trolling, it's just that I have had experiences that made me question the story in the bible. Allowed my to notice inconsistencies in the plot.

Still, I don't have answers, just that I know there is more and the bible doesn't do anything to explain it to my satisfaction.

originally posted by: daskakik

originally posted by: GoShredAK
.......the sinners he loves.

That is another contradiction, then why not judge after they are in heaven. Wouldn't everybody kneel at that point?

That would make more sense but instead you have a story with a contrived plot which looks like something humans would make up.

There are laws and covenants and a government in the kingdom of God that men cannot possibly comprehend......

God does not owe us wisdom, we have to seek it with an honest heart......

There are wars and conflicts in heaven, there are things that must take place......

There is no plot hole.........the human brain cannot perceive the deeper messages or the reasons why the spirit world operates the way it does.......

The book is written and not one iota will not be fulfilled......

The God you argue against is a creation from the imaginations of men......

Personally I don't care that God is allowing Satan freedom before the appointed time, and I'm not trying to judge His divine policy.......

I am the creation and have no place questioning the creator.....

I'm sure God could take an ATS atheists suggestions and just make everything perfect in an instant.......then what?

No this life is a journey and a refining process of our souls......

This includes many many trials and tribulations and it's meant to be that way.....

I trust God even when things look dismall....

originally posted by: daskakik

I don't get what your beef is.

Zero beef here with anyone. My point is Atheist want to apply their non faith to explain the bible, and it just does not work because the answer is not one they will accept. I'm also talking Atheist and maybe not someone unhappy with Christianity.

originally posted by: daskakik

originally posted by: Wookiep
But when you're sitting in the absence of God, (Anything and all things of God are good) in deep space...

I've done that during an OBE, sign me up.

You see, I'm not trolling, it's just that I have had experiences that made me question the story in the bible. Allowed my to notice inconsistencies in the plot.

Still, I don't have answers, just that I know there is more and the bible doesn't do anything to explain it to my satisfaction.

The Holy Spirit has total control of whether the words will pop out at you or not.....

It is the living word and sees your heart........just reading the Bible does nothing....... reading with faith and with humility praying for meanings to be revealed produces results....

The Bible is far too complex for someone to peruse until you find something challenging and put it down making up your mind..... It's a cop-out imo.......the wide path......it takes humility and faith to find the narrow path..

originally posted by: GoShredAK
There are laws and covenants and a government in the kingdom of God that men cannot possibly comprehend......

Odd, I remember being told there is a lord that is all powerful.

The God you argue against is a creation from the imaginations of men......

You got that right, and they placed that in books called the bible, the torah and the koran and then added whatever they wanted.

I'm sure God could take an ATS atheists suggestions and just make everything perfect in an instant.......then what?

All his children get to live with him for ever and ever. What's wrong with that?

originally posted by: Xtrozero
My point is Atheist want to apply their non faith to explain the bible, and it just does not work because the answer is not one they will accept.

But I wasn't an atheist when I started applying logic to explain the bible. Becoming an atheist was the end result.

originally posted by: daskakik

But I wasn't an atheist when I started applying logic to explain the bible. Becoming an atheist was the end result.

So your discontent with Christianity led to believe there is no God at all, no intelligent design etc? That is a rather big jump...lol

originally posted by: Xtrozero

originally posted by: daskakik

But I wasn't an atheist when I started applying logic to explain the bible. Becoming an atheist was the end result.

So your discontent with Christianity led to believe there is no God at all, no intelligent design etc? That is a rather big jump...lol

Not that big a jump - the same thing happened to me. I don't think that we should get into a debate about 'intelligent design', as that gets close to thread-drift.

originally posted by: Xtrozero
So your discontent with Christianity led to believe there is no God at all, no intelligent design etc? That is a rather big jump...lol

It wasn't discontent, it was realization that they are just a bunch of stories similar to other mythologies, which allowed me to include the bible in that category.

It was other experiences that led me to believe there isn't a god like the ones described in most religions.

I can't say with certainty if there was no intelligent design but it is possible it could have been done by someone or a team that isn't actually superior to us at the soul level. For example, simulation theory, where this is just VR to the Nth degree.

originally posted by: daskakik

originally posted by: GoShredAK
There are laws and covenants and a government in the kingdom of God that men cannot possibly comprehend......

Odd, I remember being told there is a lord that is all powerful.

The God you argue against is a creation from the imaginations of men......

You got that right, and they placed that in books called the bible, the torah and the koran and then added whatever they wanted.

I'm sure God could take an ATS atheists suggestions and just make everything perfect in an instant.......then what?

All his children get to live with him for ever and ever. What's wrong with that?

Robot children who haven't fully developed their souls and spirits in preparation for the next life.....idk?

It all must play out and I don't know why, but God is going to do things the way God decides to do them and my puny brain can't begin to understand why.....

I just trust him and put my faith in him and enjoy the relationship and that's all I need

originally posted by: GoShredAK
Robot children who haven't fully developed their souls and spirits in preparation for the next life.....idk?

Who said robot children?

You go through the soul refining process of life so you can appreciate heaven and there is no need for judgment, a savior or the threat of hell.

Actually, there are christians who think this is actually how it works.

originally posted by: AngryCymraeg

Not that big a jump - the same thing happened to me. I don't think that we should get into a debate about 'intelligent design', as that gets close to thread-drift.

Intelligent design would be God compared to randomness with fundamental rules driving that randomness. Did God create man, or did man just happen because the conditions were right and we popped out like a trillion other lifeforms have done.

Not that I'm trying to debate this here, but just an example of whether there is a God controlling it all or not.

originally posted by: daskakik
It wasn't discontent, it was realization that they are just a bunch of stories similar to other mythologies, which allowed me to include the bible in that category.

It was other experiences that led me to believe there isn't a god like the ones described in most religions.

I can't say with certainty if there was no intelligent design but it is possible it could have been done by someone or a team that isn't actually superior to us at the soul level. For example, simulation theory, where this is just VR to the Nth degree.

Isn't it amazing what the brain can create. I wonder what would a 400 IQ or a 1000 IQ brain could do...lol I have always said that religion is a part of what makes human human, and if there was some way to totally rip religion from man then we are talking about the ability of humans to think and live in the abstract as we do 24/7 for most of our lives.

a reply to: Xtrozero
I don't see what your point is.

originally posted by: daskakik
a reply to: Xtrozero
I don't see what your point is.

My point is that humans live in the abstract, everything around us was an abstract thought first, every story is also an abstract thought, us talking on our computers is 100% abstract. We create things in our brain then make them reality, so religion is a by product of all that, but is as much a part of us as anything else we deem human. You can't take religion out of human just as you can't remove how we live in the abstract.

a reply to: Xtrozero
Still don't see what that has to do with the topic of the thread.

ETA: Everyone has every other religion, but their own, taken out from them. And some of us have no religion so it isn't like it can't be taken out.

originally posted by: daskakik

Still don't see what that has to do with the topic of the thread.

ETA: Everyone has every other religion, but their own, taken out from them. And some of us have no religion so it isn't like it can't be taken out.

Lol OK never mind...

a reply to: GoShredAK

Originally posted by GoShredAK
I don't understand where is the "plot hole"

That God allows Satan freedom when he could just destroy him now if he wanted?

If that's it I don't see any "plot hole"

The “plot hole” is that Satan is supposedly being aloud to roam around freely harming people. Peoples Souls are on the line!...

The thing is, people’s souls could still be on the line with free will (freedom) choice still being present…without the need for some big evil entity making things worse…God is all about saving Souls…but supposedly lets this evil entity roam around freely to devour souls and tempt people etc…

Also it kind of gives people an out…”Satan made me do it“..for example…

Originally posted by GoShredAK
Which the Bible will never have because it is from the mind of God and divinely inspired through the Holy Spirit......

Personally, I find this whole “inspired by God” concept…to be very misleading.

What I mean by that, is that there’s God’s spoken words…and then there’s men's interpretations…i.e. men's words…

Jesus once rebuked the pharisees, for doing what they believed was taught by God…but Jesus told them they were really following men's traditions…

Originally posted by GoShredAK
God's ways are infinitely beyond man's thoughts.....

Problem with that statement is that it’s along the lines of…it’s beyond us…so therefore end of discussion…

So all I can say is…Perhaps…but…

“God’s ways” should be an alignment with God’s character…and they should add up and make sense…

Originally posted by GoShredAK
Anything we interpret as a "plot hole" is either a mystery or a thinking error derived through the lense of an individual's beliefs and perspective....

But you wouldn’t accept something as true, if for the most part it’s wrapped up in a mystery…would you…?

And as for stating it could be a “thinking error” based on an individual's beliefs and perspective…That same reasoning could be pointed back onto yourself…

Originally posted by GoShredAK
Why doesn't God just snap his finger and end Satan and fix all the suffering and save us all right this instant?

I don't know, but I don't dare think God has an ego and can't answer the tough questions that atheists think prove so much, or think I am in any place to pass judgement on the way the Most High operates...sq

You say you don’t know which is a very honest answer tbf…

But doesn’t the Bible say that Spirit will reveal all truth; Even the OT talks about how wisdom, understanding and the knowledge of God are seen as rich and valuable in the eyes of God.

In the OT these things are considered more valuable than choice gold and are meant to be sought after; They are also in alignment with Jesus saying “seek the truth”…but according to Christianity…you just have to believe and accept things by faith…


- JC

originally posted by: daskakik
a reply to: Deetermined
No, you can't enter heaven if you are a sinner, is the point, not which part of the trinity can and can't handle being in the presence of a sinner.

Everyone's a sinner. So, your issue is that you don't like Jesus' reconciliation plan for how those sins are forgiven?

originally posted by: Deetermined
Everyone's a sinner. So, your issue is that you don't like Jesus' reconciliation plan for how those sins are forgiven?

No, it is that the bible says in one part that sinners can't enter heaven and in another the greatest sinner not only enters heaven but chit chats with god.

ETA: Oh yeah, and the chit chat is about tormenting someone, which is also messed up but not really part of the contradiction I pointed out.