Russia Ukraine Update Thread

a reply to: PatriotGames4u

Absolutely.

If you disagree its russian propaganda.

I really wish ATS had an ignore function for clowns.

Anyway, Oleksiy Arestovych released a video trying to reasure kyiv citizens that they wouldn't be targeted. He even admits that Russians wouldn't waste expenses on civilian targets with no strategic value which really flies in the face of the western medias narrative. You may wonder why he would do that. It is most likely he is trying to keep his human shields from evacuating the city. You must remember he idolizes ISIS. that is the second catbox link. In his own words of course.

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originally posted by: JinMI
a reply to: PatriotGames4u

Absolutely.

If you disagree its russian propaganda.

The other user was obviously posting russian propaganda, but you just put my brain into some kind of logic loop and now I have a headache.

Thanks.

a reply to: Grimpachi


Russians have already been pushed back from Kiev, they are just trying to act like it was their choice to retreat.

But russians are still sending cruise missiles into civilian areas of cities they've retreated from that do damage like this:





Other cities are still being flattened by near constant russian shelling, wanna discuss some of those?



My source is what was already posted in this thread by others, not my problem if you don't choose to read or view them.

I suggest starting with the last video from Random.

a reply to: PatriotGames4u

No I posted claims you disagreed with...i even included allegedly killed as I hadn't seen the actual video of his body. You on the other hand only post obvious western reports which heavily use propaganda...they won't even call azov nazis opting instead to call then far right nationalists or gloss over it completely. Never mind the wealth of footage of them wearing symbols such as swastikas with white supremacists tattoos...soeaking about how they need to cleanse ukraine.

Who to believe your propaganda or theirs huh? At least I try to look at both sides and all available info to form an opinion. And yes it was already seen how they have been smuggling out fighters in ambulances so it doesn't seem unreasonable to send helos of which they have a limited supply to evac leadership...not wounded.

Edit: after looking at grimpachi's linked pics it sure does appear to be the body if the dead azov deputy commander.

"We're going to be sending our armoured vehicles, our Bushmasters as well, and we'll be flying them over there on our C-17 [Globemasters]."

But he did not say how many vehicles would be sent or when they would be flown to Europe.

Mr Morrison's confirmation came after Defence Minister Peter Dutton said his department was still looking into how to get the Bushmasters to Ukraine.

Full article

Major General Ryan says one of the appeals of the Bushmaster is that they are not difficult to operate.

"It would be very simple to train Ukrainians to use and maintain them," Major General Ryan says.

More details


Sending Bushmasters to Ukraine was almost certainly arranged before Zelenskyy addressed the Australian Parliament. As an Australian designed and build troop carrier, the Bushmaster isn't subject to American restrictions on international arms sales. Moreover, the same applies to Hawkei, but that vehicle is overcoming design hiccups.

Providing the Ukrainians are supplied with spare parts, diesel mechanics and not specialised gas turbine fitters can service Bushmasters. So that accounts for the ease of maintenance concerning the vehicles.

The situation is worth keeping an eye on for the future. If Ukraine requests additional vehicles, the Australian government will have to decide if they will foot the bill or not.

originally posted by: PatriotGames4u

originally posted by: JinMI
a reply to: PatriotGames4u

Absolutely.

If you disagree its russian propaganda.

The other user was obviously posting russian propaganda, but you just put my brain into some kind of logic loop and now I have a headache.

Thanks.

Exactly my intention.

Thus.....sourcing.

I know this aint your only acct and you know how this works.

originally posted by: RickyD
a reply to: PatriotGames4u

No I posted claims you disagreed with...i even included allegedly killed as I hadn't seen the actual video of his body. You on the other hand only post obvious western reports which heavily use propaganda...they won't even call azov nazis opting instead to call then far right nationalists or gloss over it completely. Never mind the wealth of footage of them wearing symbols such as swastikas with white supremacists tattoos...soeaking about how they need to cleanse ukraine.

Who to believe your propaganda or theirs huh? At least I try to look at both sides and all available info to form an opinion. And yes it was already seen how they have been smuggling out fighters in ambulances so it doesn't seem unreasonable to send helos of which they have a limited supply to evac leadership...not wounded.

You posted half truths in an effort to make the incident look more favorable to russia.


Were these regular daily flights or a special leadership evacuation event as you implied?

Have the russians been trying to shoot these twice a day ambulance flights down for weeks, or did they suddenly get lucky after capturing a couple Stingers?



Your feelz don't change the facts.

These flights have been carrying out wounded Ukrainian soldiers and civilians twice daily for a month.

The videos posted in this thread discuss those very flights.

The russians already admitted as much today.

Not possible for this propaganda to work.

originally posted by: JinMI

originally posted by: PatriotGames4u

originally posted by: JinMI
a reply to: PatriotGames4u

Absolutely.

If you disagree its russian propaganda.

The other user was obviously posting russian propaganda, but you just put my brain into some kind of logic loop and now I have a headache.

Thanks.

Exactly my intention.

Thus.....sourcing.

I know this aint your only acct and you know how this works.

Nonsense.

I only have one account.

originally posted by: PatriotGames4u

originally posted by: JinMI

originally posted by: PatriotGames4u

originally posted by: JinMI
a reply to: PatriotGames4u

Absolutely.

If you disagree its russian propaganda.

The other user was obviously posting russian propaganda, but you just put my brain into some kind of logic loop and now I have a headache.

Thanks.

Exactly my intention.

Thus.....sourcing.

I know this aint your only acct and you know how this works.

Nonsense.

I only have one account.

Clearly russian propaganda.

originally posted by: JinMI

originally posted by: PatriotGames4u

originally posted by: JinMI

originally posted by: PatriotGames4u

originally posted by: JinMI
a reply to: PatriotGames4u

Absolutely.

If you disagree its russian propaganda.

The other user was obviously posting russian propaganda, but you just put my brain into some kind of logic loop and now I have a headache.

Thanks.

Exactly my intention.

Thus.....sourcing.

I know this aint your only acct and you know how this works.

Nonsense.

I only have one account.

Clearly russian propaganda.

I was just going to add that I've had other accounts before, and no, I've never been banned.


But that has nothing to do with Ukraine updates, so let's move on.

a reply to: PatriotGames4u

Nice try with your propaganda...

There is no ignore button here so I will just take a page out of your book and call anything I disagree with from you propaganda. I am sure you will agree its the best way forward....

a reply to: Grimpachi

Here are a couple of articles talking about the situation with the conflict. Every social media platform is taking them down almost as fast as they are posted. I always like to read the things that others try to keep me from reading. Especially when they are mega corporations.

ISRAEL IS ARMING UKRAINE’S BLATANTLY NEO-NAZI MILITIA THE AZOV BATTALION
BY MAX BLUMENTHAL
JULY 6, 2018 A shocking new report in the Electronic Intifada reveals that Ukrainian neo-Nazis are using Israeli weapons to fight Russia. Journalist Max Blumenthal discusses the SS-wearing Azov Battalion, a neo-Nazi militia that uses Hitlerian symbols and is embedded in the National Guard of Ukraine, which also receives support from the US and Canada

rnn

THE US IS REAPING WHAT IT SOWED IN UKRAINE
Will the prospect of a 21st-Century version of the Cuban Missile Crisis be enough to bring America’s irresponsible leaders to their senses and start unwinding the suicidal mess they have blundered into?
BY MEDEA BENJAMIN AND NICOLAS J.S. DAVIES
FEBRUARY 2, 2022

So what are Americans to believe about the rising tensions over Ukraine? The United States and Russia both claim their escalations are defensive, responding to threats and escalations by the other side, but the resulting spiral of escalation can only make war more likely. Ukrainian President Zelensky is warning that “panic” by US and Western leaders is already causing economic destabilization in Ukraine.

US allies do not all support the current US policy. Germany is wisely refusing to funnel more weapons into Ukraine, in keeping with its long-standing policy of not sending weapons into conflict zones. Ralf Stegner, a senior Member of Parliament for Germany’s ruling Social Democrats, told the BBC on January 25th that the Minsk-Normandy process agreed to by France, Germany, Russia, and Ukraine in 2015 is still the right framework for ending the civil war.

RNN


And to keep it current

13:01 Kiev militants continue to build fortifications among the residential areas of the cities of Donbass. Photos appeared on the Web of how the Armed Forces of Ukraine are digging trenches right in the yards of Kramatorsk (the occupied part of the DPR).

12:40 Ukrainian Nazis opened fire on the village of Lugansk in the DPR. They used Grady MLRS and fired 20 rockets at the village. Information about the victims and destruction is being specified.

12:40 Kiev militants fired at the village of Aleksandrovka in the DPR. They fired 20 122 mm shells at him. Information about the victims and destruction is being specified.

11:09 The air defense forces of the DPR near Mariupol destroyed two Ukrainian helicopters. Kyiv once again tried to evacuate the leaders of the Ukrainian nationalists.

11:00 A peaceful resident of the DPR, born in 1974, suffered as a result of the shelling of Yelenovka by the Ukrainian Nazis.

10:30 Over the past day, Ukrainian Nazis fired more than 300 shells at the DPR, using Grad and Uragan MLRS, 152 and 122 mm artillery, and 120 mm mortars.

10:30 During the day, seven settlements of the DPR were under fire from Ukrainian militants. 40 residential buildings, 14 civilian infrastructure facilities and five vehicles were damaged.

10:30 During the day, two civilians of the DPR were killed. Another 15 people, including a child, were injured.

10:30 During the day, the forces of the People’s Militia of the DPR, with the support of the Russian army, destroyed 42 Ukrainian nationalists, 13 firing positions, two infantry fighting vehicles, one armored vehicle and one truck. One tank, one armored recovery vehicle and two armored vehicles were captured.

10:30 During the day, seven soldiers of the 25th airborne brigade of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, five soldiers of the 56th motorized infantry brigade of the Armed Forces of Ukraine and three soldiers of the mechanized brigade of the Armed Forces of Ukraine crossed over to the side of the DPR.

News Front


Edit to add/ turns out the first two links are older and from another source.

JinMI traced them to this

here.

here

originally posted by: RickyD
a reply to: PatriotGames4u

Nice try with your propaganda...

There is no ignore button here so I will just take a page out of your book and call anything I disagree with from you propaganda. I am sure you will agree its the best way forward....

Sure, that'll work.

Might be easier to simply post something that didn't come from a russian propaganda source.

a reply to: PatriotGames4u

If I post russian propaganda you post western propaganda...

originally posted by: RickyD
a reply to: PatriotGames4u

If I post russian propaganda you post western propaganda...

Please point out one example and we can discuss it.

Otherwise I'm rubber, you're glue, why do you keep playing these childish games?

a reply to: Grimpachi


"Every social media platform is taking them down almost as fast as they are posted"


Because it's absurdly blatant russian propaganda lies.

Some users have already been using those stories in other ATS threads.

a reply to: Grimpachi

I traced that article back to here.

Also this.

Both from 2018

a reply to: PatriotGames4u

Thats ridiculous. Social media has been propaganda central or did we forget the past 6 years?

Instead maybe ask why they would actively delete long standing western relations with azov information.

a reply to: JinMI

Thanks. Maybe that is why they were taking them down. I am going to try posting them.