Russia Ukraine Update Thread

a reply to: Xcathdra


Indeed.

Those folks not only don't understand the low quality of russian troops as currently trained and equipped, they also operate under a false 'understanding' of just how many of russia's troops are even deployable.

350k of those 1m are internal security forces and 200k are undeployable admin & support, while the 350k (including air forces, navy and supply train still based in russia) already committed to the Ukraine invasion are obviously not enough to get the job done.

Most of what could be deployed, was deployed.

a reply to: ISeekTruth101

You keep going on about McDonalds ISeekTruth101, take it that's where you work?

No shame in that all the same, everybody has to start somewhere.

As to opinions that carry weight.

Well ile have a Quarter Pounder with Cheese please Mr ""Opinions"".

What you side with is Putin and Russia by the sounds of the gibberish coming out your puss.

a reply to: andy06shake


My first job was at a Mcdonalds, second one too (moved a lot as a teen), nothing wrong with that.

a reply to: Xcathdra

A load of people are suggesting that Putin managed put back together and reinforce in 5 minutes the same thing the likes of Donald Trump tried so hard to pull apart over 4 years aka NATO alliances.

Never mind bring the very thing he seems to have feared 3 steps closer to his doorstep by way of his "Special Military Exercise".

The muppets not playing 4D Chess but Draughts with half the pieces missing far as i can establish.

a reply to: andy06shake

All very true.

And the military industrial complex pulls itself stupid over the prospect.

Imagine how much money all those horrible Mark Thatcher's of the world are going to make out of it?

Just gotta love this:

a Kremlin spokesman responded: "That's not for Biden to decide. The president of Russia is elected by Russians."

The same way 81 million muricans voted for Joe!

Go democracy!

a reply to: PatriotGames4u

My first job was a shelf stacker in the CoOp

Nothing wrong with working at McDonalds at all.

Not bad money these days for some.

I know people with degrees working at McDonalds because they cannot get employment in there chosen profession or they just canny be arsed.

Then again most of them are managers now.

Thing is im not the one seems fascinated with the place or choose to attempt to introduce it in to the thread as what i can only imagine to be some kind comedy piece for his own amusement.

a reply to: andy06shake


"Donald Trump tried so hard to pull apart over 4 years aka NATO alliances."


Nonsense.

Trump beat most other NATO countries like a drum for not adhering to the military spending that they had promised.

Most NATO countries have been cheating on their commitments like russia is so famous for, while the U.S. has been significantly exceeding it's commitments, both for decades.

You know, so NATO wouldn't be so reliant on the U.S. to defend against a russian invasion.

All those other NATO leaders just publicly admitted Trump was right all along about this and increased their military spending as a result of russia invading Ukraine.

Without admitting they suddenly agree with what Trump has been saying since 2015 of course.

originally posted by: PatriotGames4u
a reply to: Xcathdra


Indeed.

Those folks not only don't understand the low quality of russian troops as currently trained and equipped, they also operate under a false 'understanding' of just how many of russia's troops are even deployable.

350k of those 1m are internal security forces and 200k are undeployable admin & support, while the 350k (including air forces, navy and supply train still based in russia) already committed to the Ukraine invasion are obviously not enough to get the job done.

Most of what could be deployed, was deployed.

If history is any lesson the Russian Federation will throw away the lives of hordes of troops without a care in the world for them.

a reply to: Freeborn

My guess would be a lot.

And dirty bastards that "they" are will be rubbing there claws together with glee.

Rinse and repeat Freeborn, history that is and our penchant for repeating past generations mistakes.

originally posted by: wordforword

originally posted by: Xcathdra
a reply to: wordforword

Well if the reports are true and Russia does invade Lithuania I would wager Putin is of the mindset that NATO wont do anything because, in Putins mind, the Baltic states are not worth defending. If NATO does not act then Putin will go balls to the walls, at least in Eastern Europe, and reform part of the USSR / Russian Empire.

Making a wager like this is extremely dangerous, especially if NATO does fight back.

I would also say it, in Putins mind, would be an easy victory, although Russia thought the same about Ukraine.

As far as removing Putin a former KGB officer now living in the West talked about that and His explanation made sense. The only way to remove Putin would be for the Russian people to do it. Any action to remove Putin by any external force would backfire, solidifying Putins grasp with the added bump in support from the Russian people.

Agreed. The only way is through replacement of the Russian government executed by Russians themselves. Unfortunately, to start a revolution they have to reform their own mindset first which will not happen overnight. Many people are apolitical due to the 'nothing ever changes' belief; the other big part fanatically follow and obey false prophet Putin, happy to lap up all his lies.

All this begs the question of what would it actually take to mobilize Russian citizens to create a political and governmental transition in Russia?

You can't deny the mass scale of info war launched from both sides. Facade is breaking and it scares a few. This might be another reason why Putin is sucking in this 'piecekeeping mission' of his so much: he sits on too many chairs at the moment, trying to control the narrative at home and push the coarse of Ukraine's occupation. It might even look like he's afraid of his own shadow:

Business Insider

Putin replaced 1,000 personal staff members in February over fears they would poison him, report says.
Those sacked included bodyguards, cooks, launderers, and secretaries, The Daily Beast reported on Wednesday, citing a Russian government source.

One thing for sure: paranoia is running wild on the streets of Russia.

Twitter link for a video. It's amazing what a paranoid mind can see.

The video in the Twitter link. I wonder what the two words were. And that is crazy how many security guards there are. Looks like 3 for every citizen walking around.

a reply to: PatriotGames4u

I did not mean to turn the thread in to a Trump piece PatriotGames4u.

Lets just say my feeling's are he did not like NATO to much and even for some of the reasons you state and im probably not the only one that would call it that way.

Fact of the matter is they are pretty much all singing the same to similar tune now.

I might live in a NATO nation PatriotGames4u but we have our own nuclear defence and don't necessarily rely on the US to protect our shores for the better or worse of the situation.

End of the day both our nations are allies anyroad unwilling to tolerate Russia's bullcrap one way or the other, so there is always that.

originally posted by: randomuser

originally posted by: PatriotGames4u
a reply to: Xcathdra


Indeed.

Those folks not only don't understand the low quality of russian troops as currently trained and equipped, they also operate under a false 'understanding' of just how many of russia's troops are even deployable.

350k of those 1m are internal security forces and 200k are undeployable admin & support, while the 350k (including air forces, navy and supply train still based in russia) already committed to the Ukraine invasion are obviously not enough to get the job done.

Most of what could be deployed, was deployed.

If history is any lesson the Russian Federation will throw away the lives of hordes of troops without a care in the world for them.

It seems this process is already well underway, the difference this time is that russia appears to have a MUCH smaller 'horde' to start with, and there are pretty clear indications that mass conscription would lead to mass revolt in russia.

a reply to: wordforword

There are Russians starting to stand against Putin. This movement will only build as more dead Russians are sent home.

a reply to: andy06shake


You live in one of the few NATO countries that can say that.

a reply to: randomuser

It's written 'TWO WORDS'. Literally.

Two words. два слова. You can put it yourself into Google Translate.

She spoke to the press while holding a placard. That's all it took.

a reply to: randomuser

If history is any lesson the Russian Federation will throw away the lives of hordes of troops without a care in the world for them.

All governments will throw away the lives of hordes of troops without a care in the world for them. The general public are inconsequential to the elite.

originally posted by: nolabel
a reply to: randomuser

If history is any lesson the Russian Federation will throw away the lives of hordes of troops without a care in the world for them.

All governments will throw away the lives of hordes of troops without a care in the world for them. The general public are inconsequential to the elite.

The last American president to do such a thing was so cancelled that he isn't ever mentioned, even by the democrats that reelected him.

a reply to: PatriotGames4u

You can say something similar yourself PatriotGames4u.

I mean we may ""walk softly"" and carry a big club but your arsenal puts ours to shame.

Then again with nukes its not really about size but about how fast we can fling them at one another from our submarines.

Its a mugs game the M.A.D world in which we live, but the cold war was mince PatriotGames4u, we don't need a repeat performance in that department, that's a given.

And fecking Putin's making it happen all over again.

Grrrrr.