The Ancient Egyptian Stones Were Perfectly Precise How is this Possible? Many Qs Little Answers

originally posted by: turbonium1
I'm talking about moving 20 ton blocks into a huge pyramid, not budging a 1200 ton stone half an inch or whatever! That's not even close to building these monuments, in the least.

Why can't they prove humans could build the pyramids, by replicating even PART of this feat? We know more than they did, right? They don't replicate it, even a PART of it, because they cannot do it, simple as that.

Do you really think that if we COULD replicate it, or part of it, someone wouldn't have DONE it by now? They'd be famous, and rich, for their great feat, never done since that time!

I'd certainly love to do it, and gain fame and fortune from this feat, wouldn't YOU do it too?

In fact, MANY have attempted to replicate this feat, and they all failed miserably. Do you know that?

All they have are silly theories of how they built the pyramids, with pulleys and planks and thousands of men pulling them up into place. It doesn't work in reality, so they just have 'theories' that claim it would all work!


No, if humans built the pyramids, we would be able to replicate it the same way, but we cannot replicate it with a human crew, no matter how large it is. Adding more men to pull up a 20 ton block doesn't work with a structure like the pyramids. Believe me, they've TRIED that already. Only a certain number of men can pull on one block, or one rope attached to one block, which must be lifted upward, as well. It's far more than just pulling a block along the ground, that can be done with many humans pulling it at the same time. But not with blocks that are going up a few hundred feet, over the lower structure, for example. This is entirely different, and humans cannot do it, no matter how many there are.


All you need to do is find out it has never been replicated with a human crew, to realize it was not built by humans. It was built by the giants, who had immense strength, and size, to hoist 20 ton blocks into place. Same as they built the other massive monuments, no human could build.

Exactly. You can only get so many hands on one block, and it has to be elevated and brought up an angle...

It wouldn't matter if there were hundreds of bodies...

Once you get into the actual labor and logistics you can tell we don't know how the pyramids were built...

I bet the people that think they know have never had to move anything over 50 pounds...

originally posted by: bloodymarvelous
But with all that population, their grand scale building phase only lasted about 5 generations. And then it ended.

Tell me where you got that idea.

Harte

originally posted by: GoShredAK
I'd like to see half of you guys have to move a full sized refrigerator up to the third floor of a three story house....then move up to a grand piano ect.....

Then come back and contemplate this....

Moving heavy objects is no joke..

I don't care how big your crew is, you're not building the pyramids with ropes and sand and water and manpower or whatever...

Ten men, with plenty of elbow room (as there would have been in pyramid construction) can VERY easily move your refrigerator AND your piano for you - at the same time.

Your personal incredulity is less than meaningless here.

Harte

originally posted by: Harte

originally posted by: GoShredAK
I'd like to see half of you guys have to move a full sized refrigerator up to the third floor of a three story house....then move up to a grand piano ect.....

Then come back and contemplate this....

Moving heavy objects is no joke..

I don't care how big your crew is, you're not building the pyramids with ropes and sand and water and manpower or whatever...

Ten men, with plenty of elbow room (as there would have been in pyramid construction) can VERY easily move your refrigerator AND your piano for you - at the same time.

Your personal incredulity is less than meaningless here.

Harte

Of course they could!

Only two can fit up the stairs though....

Can YOU do it?

My point is the physical labor is much harder than most realize......I don't care what you can put on paper.

Harte, serious question here.

How do you explain the decline in building skill following the 4th Dynasty?

originally posted by: GoShredAK

originally posted by: turbonium1
I'm talking about moving 20 ton blocks into a huge pyramid, not budging a 1200 ton stone half an inch or whatever! That's not even close to building these monuments, in the least.

Why can't they prove humans could build the pyramids, by replicating even PART of this feat? We know more than they did, right? They don't replicate it, even a PART of it, because they cannot do it, simple as that.

Do you really think that if we COULD replicate it, or part of it, someone wouldn't have DONE it by now? They'd be famous, and rich, for their great feat, never done since that time!

I'd certainly love to do it, and gain fame and fortune from this feat, wouldn't YOU do it too?

In fact, MANY have attempted to replicate this feat, and they all failed miserably. Do you know that?

All they have are silly theories of how they built the pyramids, with pulleys and planks and thousands of men pulling them up into place. It doesn't work in reality, so they just have 'theories' that claim it would all work!


No, if humans built the pyramids, we would be able to replicate it the same way, but we cannot replicate it with a human crew, no matter how large it is. Adding more men to pull up a 20 ton block doesn't work with a structure like the pyramids. Believe me, they've TRIED that already. Only a certain number of men can pull on one block, or one rope attached to one block, which must be lifted upward, as well. It's far more than just pulling a block along the ground, that can be done with many humans pulling it at the same time. But not with blocks that are going up a few hundred feet, over the lower structure, for example. This is entirely different, and humans cannot do it, no matter how many there are.


All you need to do is find out it has never been replicated with a human crew, to realize it was not built by humans. It was built by the giants, who had immense strength, and size, to hoist 20 ton blocks into place. Same as they built the other massive monuments, no human could build.

Exactly. You can only get so many hands on one block, and it has to be elevated and brought up an angle...

It wouldn't matter if there were hundreds of bodies...

Once you get into the actual labor and logistics you can tell we don't know how the pyramids were built...

I bet the people that think they know have never had to move anything over 50 pounds...

I used to worry about that. Then I started to ask myself: what if they made ropes that were a meter thick?
Then what would be the limit?

With a long enough, and strong enough rope, you can have hundreds, maybe even thousands of people all pulling on a single stone.

originally posted by: Harte

originally posted by: bloodymarvelous
But with all that population, their grand scale building phase only lasted about 5 generations. And then it ended.

Tell me where you got that idea.

Harte

Meidum is about 2600 BC, and the GP is about 2200 GP. Even if your average peasant only lived about 30 years, the Pharaohs seemed to live reasonably long.

originally posted by: VierEyes
Harte, serious question here.

How do you explain the decline in building skill following the 4th Dynasty?

Economic woes brought on by a series of too-low Nile floods.
After the 5th, Egypt fell into civil war between two competing pharaohs at different capitols.

Harte

originally posted by: GoShredAK

originally posted by: Harte

originally posted by: GoShredAK
I'd like to see half of you guys have to move a full sized refrigerator up to the third floor of a three story house....then move up to a grand piano ect.....

Then come back and contemplate this....

Moving heavy objects is no joke..

I don't care how big your crew is, you're not building the pyramids with ropes and sand and water and manpower or whatever...

Ten men, with plenty of elbow room (as there would have been in pyramid construction) can VERY easily move your refrigerator AND your piano for you - at the same time.

Your personal incredulity is less than meaningless here.

Harte

Of course they could!

Only two can fit up the stairs though....

Can YOU do it?

My point is the physical labor is much harder than most realize......I don't care what you can put on paper.

Ya see, there were no hallways on the ramps leading up the pyramids, so what point are you trying to make here?
"Moving heavy stuff is hard," I guess.
Well, yeah.

Harte

originally posted by: bloodymarvelous

originally posted by: Harte

Tell me where you got that idea.

Harte

Meidum is about 2600 BC, and the GP is about 2200 GP. Even if your average peasant only lived about 30 years, the Pharaohs seemed to live reasonably long.

The Old Kingdom lasted about 500 years.
You have to count Djoser's pyramid. I mean, that's what the AE's called it.
Plus, there was plenty of "grand scale building" for a thousand years after that.

Harte

originally posted by: Harte

originally posted by: VierEyes
Harte, serious question here.

How do you explain the decline in building skill following the 4th Dynasty?

Economic woes brought on by a series of too-low Nile floods.
After the 5th, Egypt fell into civil war between two competing pharaohs at different capitols.

Harte

That doesn't explain technological regression.

originally posted by: GoShredAK
I'd like to see half of you guys have to move a full sized refrigerator up to the third floor of a three story house....then move up to a grand piano ect.....

Then come back and contemplate this....

Moving heavy objects is no joke..

I don't care how big your crew is, you're not building the pyramids with ropes and sand and water and manpower or whatever...

Yet, over thousands of years about 80+ stones over 400 tones WERE moved, in various places and times by people having only limited (to us) technology.

In your opinion what is the heaviest weight that men could move with ropes, sledges and leverage?

originally posted by: GoShredAK


I bet the people that think they know have never had to move anything over 50 pounds...

I moved a four ton rock at an excavation at Kalavassos Cyprus, using an A frame, 19 grad students,a pulley and cables. Difficult but not impossible took us about four hours to move it (it was covering a well we wished to excavate and it was to dangerous to try and dig under it due to soil weakness).

The ancients did not seem to be aware they couldn't move rocks. We know the Roman's moved a score or more Egyptian obelisks from Egypt and set them up in Rome the heaviest was 455 tons.

hanslune.imgur.com...
i.imgur.com...

These folks in Indonesia around 1915 also seemed to be unaware they couldn't move rocks either

originally posted by: VierEyes

originally posted by: Harte

originally posted by: VierEyes
Harte, serious question here.

How do you explain the decline in building skill following the 4th Dynasty?

Economic woes brought on by a series of too-low Nile floods.
After the 5th, Egypt fell into civil war between two competing pharaohs at different capitols.

Harte

That doesn't explain technological regression.

Death of experts and lack of resources meant that skilled masons, engineers and managers who knew how to build and organize large groups to build large projects were killed, or changed their skills so they could survived the 150+ years of conflict that occurred.

originally posted by: VierEyes

originally posted by: Harte

originally posted by: VierEyes
Harte, serious question here.

How do you explain the decline in building skill following the 4th Dynasty?

Economic woes brought on by a series of too-low Nile floods.
After the 5th, Egypt fell into civil war between two competing pharaohs at different capitols.

Harte

That doesn't explain technological regression.

There was no technological regression.
There was economic regression.

Harte

originally posted by: Harte

originally posted by: VierEyes

originally posted by: Harte

originally posted by: VierEyes
Harte, serious question here.

How do you explain the decline in building skill following the 4th Dynasty?

Economic woes brought on by a series of too-low Nile floods.
After the 5th, Egypt fell into civil war between two competing pharaohs at different capitols.

Harte

That doesn't explain technological regression.

There was no technological regression.
There was economic regression.

Harte

They began building less sophisticated structures. As far as I'm concerned that is technological regression.

You may view it as building cheaply. I think there's more to it.

originally posted by: VierEyes

You may view it as building cheaply. I think there's more to it.

Such as?

Now I differ somewhat from my colleague Harte I believe the economic problems of the First intermediate period meant a lot of experts moved into different areas or died and their children were not trained in their expertise. Technology wasn't lost it just wasn't utilized as the number of experts were greatly reduced.

What technologies do you believe were lost?

When the western Roman's stopped building roads in their particularly clever way was that technology lost or just no longer used?

originally posted by: GoShredAK
I'd like to see half of you guys have to move a full sized refrigerator up to the third floor of a three story house....then move up to a grand piano ect.....

Then come back and contemplate this....

Moving heavy objects is no joke..

I don't care how big your crew is, you're not building the pyramids with ropes and sand and water and manpower or whatever...

very true.

i moved pianos for a summer. truck to house. not over sand for miles.

the thing with them is that they can fold and come apart. built to be moved. so it's easy. we moved a baby grand up a spiral staircase, 2 floors. i think there were 4 of us. wasn't as bad as i thought.
a lot easier than this


i wouldn't touch a refrigerator to move.

originally posted by: sarahvital

i moved pianos for a summer. truck to house. not over sand for miles.

Neither did they they built quarries next to the pyramids or next to the Nile where they could ship them to be next to the pyramids.

oranges shows where the Giza plateau limestone quarries were



A type of ship depicted in murals designed to carry heavy stones from the quarries at Turah and Aswan.

a reply to: GoShredAK

If you want a logical answer to your question go back to page 12 and read about
the DDC if not you are in for a lot of BLA,BLA BLA answers that will never
tell you how to build anything find the illitration of the Grand Gallery being built

Why becouse you can not build a structure like the GP unless you can
build what is inside

Any other method is complete nonsense

The DDC will challange any method step for step

So read ,, becouse The DDC will not type twice

The DDC...

originally posted by: sarahvital

originally posted by: GoShredAK
I'd like to see half of you guys have to move a full sized refrigerator up to the third floor of a three story house....then move up to a grand piano ect.....

Then come back and contemplate this....

Moving heavy objects is no joke..

I don't care how big your crew is, you're not building the pyramids with ropes and sand and water and manpower or whatever...

very true.

i moved pianos for a summer. truck to house. not over sand for miles.

the thing with them is that they can fold and come apart. built to be moved. so it's easy. we moved a baby grand up a spiral staircase, 2 floors. i think there were 4 of us. wasn't as bad as i thought.
a lot easier than this

i wouldn't touch a refrigerator to move.

Full sized French door fridges are the worst! You have to walk up the stairs backwards with the fridge strapped to an appliance dolly, and do all kinds of shifting and stuff to get around the corners and it's freaking heavy....

Right now I'm on the job site we are figuring out how we're going to move a 1200 pound peice of equipment for the hospital......moving this thing right now while thinking about one of those pyramid blocks just baffles my brain.....

The only way we are getting this thing off the pallet and into place is with some manual equipment like straps and rollers and bars, with 4 strong men and two young newbies....