The Ancient Egyptian Stones Were Perfectly Precise How is this Possible? Many Qs Little Answers

originally posted by: AlanBChrist
a reply to: Hanslune

Why7 don't you tell us step by step why the DDC method is unworkable

We would all love to hear your answ3er
Here's you BLA, BLA BLA,. is probably the material they built the ramps with

Because it is very clear my friend you are neither interested in that answer and completely lack even a modicum of the necessary understanding of construction or archaeology to be in this discussion.

originally posted by: Hanslune

originally posted by: anonentity
a reply to: Harte


Well, you have a point. But the reason given is for National security,

Whose exactly? I've never found anyone terribly concerned about what ancient civilization archaeological remains would contain that would disturb a modern state. Unless they are a theocracy and a bit nuts.

Or unless a large part of their economy is built on tourism.

Egypt's military actually runs quite a lot of the economy. I guess people are too afraid to rob a store that's owned by soldiers.

originally posted by: bloodymarvelous

originally posted by: Hanslune

originally posted by: anonentity
a reply to: Harte


Well, you have a point. But the reason given is for National security,

Whose exactly? I've never found anyone terribly concerned about what ancient civilization archaeological remains would contain that would disturb a modern state. Unless they are a theocracy and a bit nuts.

Or unless a large part of their economy is built on tourism.

Egypt's military actually runs quite a lot of the economy. I guess people are too afraid to rob a store that's owned by soldiers.

I think you haven't realized what Hans is saying here.
Or maybe you think that new finds would NOT increase tourism? LOL

Harte

When people look at things done in the past and say how the hell did they do that I always get the scenario in my head of someone doing a magic trick and being amazed by it to once learned how it was done be really disappointed in how easy it was to do. I think many of these people who say "how did they do it? It must of been alien help" just need to see the simple methods and then they would slap their foreheads thinking how stupid they were in the whole alien part.

originally posted by: bloodymarvelous

Or unless a large part of their economy is built on tourism.

....and the tourism would increase if it was found the ruins were substantially older, made by aliens or Atlanteans.

originally posted by: Harte

originally posted by: bloodymarvelous

originally posted by: Hanslune

originally posted by: anonentity
a reply to: Harte


Well, you have a point. But the reason given is for National security,

Whose exactly? I've never found anyone terribly concerned about what ancient civilization archaeological remains would contain that would disturb a modern state. Unless they are a theocracy and a bit nuts.

Or unless a large part of their economy is built on tourism.

Egypt's military actually runs quite a lot of the economy. I guess people are too afraid to rob a store that's owned by soldiers.

I think you haven't realized what Hans is saying here.
Or maybe you think that new finds would NOT increase tourism? LOL

Harte

Heck I've been to Egypt 6 times - I'd go back again if they found aliens had done it - I would look at it quite differently. Atlanteans - maybe not to earthy for me.

originally posted by: Xtrozero
When people look at things done in the past and say how the hell did they do that I always get the scenario in my head of someone doing a magic trick and being amazed by it to once learned how it was done be really disappointed in how easy it was to do. I think many of these people who say "how did they do it? It must of been alien help" just need to see the simple methods and then they would slap their foreheads thinking how stupid they were in the whole alien part.

Good example. Since it appears to be impossibly hard it must have been done by aliens. These folks in 1915 were still moving rocks and making stone cenotaphs for their chiefs when they died. No one it seems told them it was impossible.





We are lucky a fellow photographed them dragging rocks around - if he hadn't - the fringe would have never believed it.

originally posted by: Hanslune

originally posted by: Xtrozero
When people look at things done in the past and say how the hell did they do that I always get the scenario in my head of someone doing a magic trick and being amazed by it to once learned how it was done be really disappointed in how easy it was to do. I think many of these people who say "how did they do it? It must of been alien help" just need to see the simple methods and then they would slap their foreheads thinking how stupid they were in the whole alien part.

Good example. Since it appears to be impossibly hard it must have been done by aliens. These folks in 1915 were still moving rocks and making stone cenotaphs for their chiefs when they died. No one it seems told them it was impossible.

We are lucky a fellow photographed them dragging rocks around - if he hadn't - the fringe would have never believed it.

so pics of people moving 1 rock.

how long did it take to cut move and set?

popular opinion is that 100k people worked on the pyramid at once,

i just watched a doco of the battle of Megiddo in 1457 bc.

egypt didn't seem to be united at all back then, the total of fighters seem to be around 50K, and that was from a large area.

kufu was 2000 yrs earlier. so where did all the people come from for construction for 20 yrs?

where does it say there was an era of unprecedented peace and cooperation for a long period of time to get it all done?


anyway, about the stones, i was at an old japanese castle i have the details somewhere but i took pics of the outer wall and i found polygonal stones all over it and really tightly fit.

i wish i could post them. the upload doesn't seem to work still.

i'm sure it was said it was only a few hundred yrs old.

so i don't know if any connection can be made. the blocks were not that large, maybe 1/2 ton or so. unless they used super glue, i didn't see any mortar.


i just found a pic with the stones looking much older looking and with more pronounced fittings.

i'll look for an imaging host site.

just trying things out.

didn't work

live.staticflickr.com...

cool, it worked, this pic looks older than the rest.

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castle wall

originally posted by: sarahvital

Yep moving one rock, just like the Egyptians, and everyone else did. You'd be surprised how many people don't think ancient folks could move rocks by pulling them on sledges with ropes they made.

Imgur.com hosts images

originally posted by: sarahvital

i just found a pic with the stones looking much older looking and with more pronounced fittings.

i'll look for an imaging host site.

In the end we are still talking about raw stone manipulation. People want to throw in some higher tech that did the work, but we only have simple tools, people, a crapload of time and raw stone as proof...lol

originally posted by: sarahvital

originally posted by: Hanslune

originally posted by: Xtrozero
When people look at things done in the past and say how the hell did they do that I always get the scenario in my head of someone doing a magic trick and being amazed by it to once learned how it was done be really disappointed in how easy it was to do. I think many of these people who say "how did they do it? It must of been alien help" just need to see the simple methods and then they would slap their foreheads thinking how stupid they were in the whole alien part.

Good example. Since it appears to be impossibly hard it must have been done by aliens. These folks in 1915 were still moving rocks and making stone cenotaphs for their chiefs when they died. No one it seems told them it was impossible.

We are lucky a fellow photographed them dragging rocks around - if he hadn't - the fringe would have never believed it.

so pics of people moving 1 rock.

how long did it take to cut move and set?

The stones in the pics are considerably larger than 99.9% of the stones in the Great Pyramid.
The pics serve to demonstrate the principle, not demonstrate the building of Khufu's tomb.

originally posted by: sarahvitalpopular opinion is that 100k people worked on the pyramid at once,

Popular opinion is wrong then. There were never more than 25,000 people working on Khufu's tomb.

originally posted by: sarahvitali just watched a doco of the battle of Megiddo in 1457 bc.

egypt didn't seem to be united at all back then, the total of fighters seem to be around 50K, and that was from a large area.

kufu was 2000 yrs earlier. so where did all the people come from for construction for 20 yrs?

From the same place you came from. The population of Egypt during the Old Kingdom is estimated to have been about 1.5 million people.
And Khufu was "only" about 1200 years earlier.

originally posted by: sarahvital
where does it say there was an era of unprecedented peace and cooperation for a long period of time to get it all done?

Where does it say there wasn't?

originally posted by: sarahvitalanyway, about the stones, i was at an old japanese castle i have the details somewhere but i took pics of the outer wall and i found polygonal stones all over it and really tightly fit.

i wish i could post them. the upload doesn't seem to work still.

i'm sure it was said it was only a few hundred yrs old.

so i don't know if any connection can be made. the blocks were not that large, maybe 1/2 ton or so. unless they used super glue, i didn't see any mortar.

Polygonal masonry is found all over the world and dates back much further than the examples in Japan.

Harte

originally posted by: Xtrozero

originally posted by: sarahvital

i just found a pic with the stones looking much older looking and with more pronounced fittings.

i'll look for an imaging host site.

In the end we are still talking about raw stone manipulation. People want to throw in some higher tech that did the work, but we only have simple tools, people, a crapload of time and raw stone as proof...lol

Plenty of time

Our ancestors had the benefit of having worked stone for hundreds of thousands of years prior to moving to masonry - for stone tools - it was a critically important skill. At some point in tree poor Egypt they started to use stone for construction purposes - which was literally everywhere - how did they know which stone to use? They knew which ones were softer and useless for stone tools - Limestone and granite were two such. How to cut and shape them? Just scale up what they had learned from making stone tools - percussion worked very well at the small scale and also worked at the larger scale....then to pecking/chipping and using a 'chisel'.

originally posted by: Hanslune

Plenty of time

Our ancestors had the benefit of having worked stone for hundreds of thousands of years prior to moving to masonry - for stone tools - it was a critically important skill. At some point in tree poor Egypt they started to use stone for construction purposes - which was literally everywhere - how did they know which stone to use? They knew which ones were softer and useless for stone tools - Limestone and granite were two such. How to cut and shape them? Just scale up what they had learned from making stone tools - percussion worked very well at the small scale and also worked at the larger scale....then to pecking/chipping and using a 'chisel'.

We can also see the progression over 100s of years in Egypt as pyramids started much simpler and then progressed to much bigger better ones. It is interesting that they seemed to progress then they went the other way and it seems they lost some knowledge/skill for a time. I have a pet theory that over the course of human history super geniuses are born and they can push a society very rapidly in different directions. We can physically see this in the West with the super geniuses that came along in just what they did that in many cases was very profound. I think we can say the same thing in Egypt that you can have extremely smart people planning it all out, thinking on levels that we average people just can not really understand.

Same thing in Mexico with their Pyramids that are are 1000s of years newer than Egypt's but never the less great works that start somewhere with an idea from someone.

originally posted by: Xtrozero

originally posted by: Hanslune

Plenty of time

Our ancestors had the benefit of having worked stone for hundreds of thousands of years prior to moving to masonry - for stone tools - it was a critically important skill. At some point in tree poor Egypt they started to use stone for construction purposes - which was literally everywhere - how did they know which stone to use? They knew which ones were softer and useless for stone tools - Limestone and granite were two such. How to cut and shape them? Just scale up what they had learned from making stone tools - percussion worked very well at the small scale and also worked at the larger scale....then to pecking/chipping and using a 'chisel'.

We can also see the progression over 100s of years in Egypt as pyramids started much simpler and then progressed to much bigger better ones. It is interesting that they seemed to progress then they went the other way and it seems they lost some knowledge/skill for a time. I have a pet theory that over the course of human history super geniuses are born and they can push a society very rapidly in different directions. We can physically see this in the West with the super geniuses that came along in just what they did that in many cases was very profound. I think we can say the same thing in Egypt that you can have extremely smart people planning it all out, thinking on levels that we average people just can not really understand.

Same thing in Mexico with their Pyramids that are are 1000s of years newer than Egypt's but never the less great works that start somewhere with an idea from someone.

Yep the use of massive amounts of resources seems to have made later dynasties less willing to commit the same level material. This was after the First Intermediate but even after Khafre's the pyramids got smaller and started to use mudbrick etc.

I suspect the rulers had other things to use their resources on. Defense, obtaining luxuries or building other types of more useful buildings.

originally posted by: Xtrozero

originally posted by: Hanslune

Plenty of time

Our ancestors had the benefit of having worked stone for hundreds of thousands of years prior to moving to masonry - for stone tools - it was a critically important skill. At some point in tree poor Egypt they started to use stone for construction purposes - which was literally everywhere - how did they know which stone to use? They knew which ones were softer and useless for stone tools - Limestone and granite were two such. How to cut and shape them? Just scale up what they had learned from making stone tools - percussion worked very well at the small scale and also worked at the larger scale....then to pecking/chipping and using a 'chisel'.

We can also see the progression over 100s of years in Egypt as pyramids started much simpler and then progressed to much bigger better ones. It is interesting that they seemed to progress then they went the other way and it seems they lost some knowledge/skill for a time. I have a pet theory that over the course of human history super geniuses are born and they can push a society very rapidly in different directions. We can physically see this in the West with the super geniuses that came along in just what they did that in many cases was very profound. I think we can say the same thing in Egypt that you can have extremely smart people planning it all out, thinking on levels that we average people just can not really understand.

Well, a longish series of low Nile floods under a truly ancient Pharoah (Pepy) led to the collapse of the Old Kingdom and resulted in Egypt splitting up into war between kings of rival capitols Thebes and Memphis.
By the time they got out of that phase, building more pyramids just looked old fashioned.
Not to mention each one is an advertisement for grave robbers, who were rampant in the Middle Kingdom.

Harte

First hand account of a person building them....


No aliens or harmonics, just brute force and basic physics.

originally posted by: Harte

Not to mention each one is an advertisement for grave robbers, who were rampant in the Middle Kingdom.

Harte

Yeah very much that too. They tried rock cut tombs in a valley under a pyramid shaped mountain - that didn't work very well then they tried burying pharaoh's in the priestly district inside cities. That one actually worked and the only fully unlooted Royal tomb was found in just such a place in Tanis.

Psusennes I was the only undisturbed Pharaoh's burial unfortunately high ground water dissolved all the organic matter but left his solid silver coffin (stolen from an earlier pharaoh's burial) and his burial mask.

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I do to know how to put things together better than you
Becouse you still did not answer the question


The DD_ well you know