The Ancient Egyptian Stones Were Perfectly Precise How is this Possible? Many Qs Little Answers

originally posted by: GoShredAK
Right now I'm on the job site we are figuring out how we're going to move a 1200 pound peice of equipment for the hospital......moving this thing right now while thinking about one of those pyramid blocks just baffles my brain.....

The only way we are getting this thing off the pallet and into place is with some manual equipment like straps and rollers and bars, with 4 strong men and two young newbies....

Perhaps some of Wally Wallington's techniques ... ?

slaves ? there was never any slaves that built the pyramids .
it seems that there are a lot of posters here that have never even seen the pyramids let alone understand the construction

a reply to: Hooke

This video shows the DDC being done on a micro scale..
How ? Like this...

The titter-totter at sitting at horizonal or level or Ground Level
When the Titter-totter is angled it turns into a down ramp that
would have been cut into ground
and then there is the hole that alows the movment of the block
with minimal amount of effort

And last but not least, the use of sand to set the block , by underminding the
sand from under the block..

Now, put this how to into action,.. and you have a very simple explanation of the DDC

It will not matter what scale it is used at

The DDC is Correct

a reply to: tom farnhill

So what you are saying is that you know and understand a construction method that can challange the DDC

The DDC

originally posted by: AlanBChrist
a reply to: tom farnhill

So what you are saying is that you know and understand a construction method that can challange the DDC

The DDC

Yes. Ramps, ropes, and manpower. And building all sides at once as well as from the inside to the outside. And using natural formations to account for a lot of the volume.

Ancient Egypt did not have a lot of access to quality hardwood. They had levers, sand, rubble, mud bricks (which can be made in a few seconds... there's video of this) along with shadoufs and rope, etc. The shadouf cranes were actually used throughout Egyptian history and they lifted a lot of cargo onto ships - including Hatshepsut's obelisks. They did not have nice thick trees or iron nails or lumber mills to mill out perfectly straight components

a reply to: Byrd

Ounce again ,, you have done nothing to tell us how you would build that structure
from the inside to the outside..
Ramps ropes and manpower will not be a workable plan of attack

question ??? Do you enter the pyramid from the north or south side?
That's correct,,.. but it also means you would be building the chambers and gallery in reverse...

Are you sure you don't want to change your answer from Yes to No
If not tell us HOW to use thouse crumbling mud bricks
and those levers and cranes made of twiggs are going to help you in any way

But of course all you will do is change the subject and not answer the question,..

The DDC

ok, in general,

what the hell is a DDC?!

sorry if i missed it somewhere.

it would take some serious technical skills to make a pyramid.

a few pages back with all the people moving 1 stone, how are they all going to have room to move around?

i guess they cut, moved andplaced 1 block at a time.
because they would have to have a crew to cut and move blocks to a staging area for another crew to place on the pyramid.

like a supermarket.

truck pulls up with the goods unloads to the inside storage area then the shelf stockers grab what they need.

even if the quarry was right there.
cutting and moving 1 block at a time doesn't make sense. even cutting and keeping them ready to be moved doesn't either, at the quarry, that is.

isn't it estimated the GP has 2 million blocks?

i'm sure the math has been done.

525,600 minutes in a year, 8760 hrs in a year.

just to rig a block would take how long?

i just don't see it being done with man power even with animals.

When you look at how roughly cut the giant 80 ton granite slabs are around the King's chamber, I wonder if maybe the stone was originally cut from the quarry in a round shape, so it could be rolled.

Then shaped into a more square shape on site, before placing it?



pic from:

myblog.robertbauval.co.uk...

The parts of the slabs that face inside the King's chamber have been completely flattened, and probably at some point looked polished.

The the parts of the slabs facing away from the King's chamber look like they were never even completely shaped.

originally posted by: sarahvital
ok, in general,

what the hell is a DDC?!

sorry if i missed it somewhere.

it would take some serious technical skills to make a pyramid.

a few pages back with all the people moving 1 stone, how are they all going to have room to move around?

i guess they cut, moved andplaced 1 block at a time.
because they would have to have a crew to cut and move blocks to a staging area for another crew to place on the pyramid.

like a supermarket.

truck pulls up with the goods unloads to the inside storage area then the shelf stockers grab what they need.

even if the quarry was right there.
cutting and moving 1 block at a time doesn't make sense. even cutting and keeping them ready to be moved doesn't either, at the quarry, that is.

isn't it estimated the GP has 2 million blocks?

i'm sure the math has been done.

525,600 minutes in a year, 8760 hrs in a year.

just to rig a block would take how long?

i just don't see it being done with man power even with animals.

Half the volume of any pyramid is in the bottom 1/3 of the structure.
Multiple wide ramps on all four sides lets them get halfway without a lot of trouble.
After that, a couple of spiral ramps for the rest of the way up, and smaller ramps on top surfaces leading up to the next level.
Also, the stone you saw in the pic Hans posted is about 5 times the size of the average block you see on the outside of the great pyramid.

Harte

originally posted by: bloodymarvelous
When you look at how roughly cut the giant 80 ton granite slabs are around the King's chamber, I wonder if maybe the stone was originally cut from the quarry in a round shape, so it could be rolled.

Then shaped into a more square shape on site, before placing it?

pic from:

myblog.robertbauval.co.uk...

The parts of the slabs that face inside the King's chamber have been completely flattened, and probably at some point looked polished.

The the parts of the slabs facing away from the King's chamber look like they were never even completely shaped.

that is an interesting theory!

a reply to: sarahvital

Go back to page 12 ,. and just keep reading
and you will see ,,. look at the illistration of the Grand Gallery being built

If there method of construction can't build what is inside the pyramid
then the method being used is incorrect

dont matter,, they know that the DDC
is the only method able to build the inner chambers

the DDC is correct

originally posted by: AlanBChrist


the DDC is correct

Have you given us a link to the DDC yet?


If the stuff inside the Pyramid was built at a different time from the exterior, then the DDC only needs to explain the interior part.

(Then matching grains of limestone exterior stones do not count against it, being from a different construction era.)

However, no matter how well the DDC would work if it were tried, if geologists can determine with certainty that there never was a hill to dig down from, then it's still dead in the water.

originally posted by: bloodymarvelous

originally posted by: AlanBChrist


the DDC is correct

Have you given us a link to the DDC yet?


If the stuff inside the Pyramid was built at a different time from the exterior, then the DDC only needs to explain the interior part.

(Then matching grains of limestone exterior stones do not count against it, being from a different construction era.)

However, no matter how well the DDC would work if it were tried, if geologists can determine with certainty that there never was a hill to dig down from, then it's still dead in the water.

The use of quarries on site and that limestone from those specific layers kills the idea off at the start.

According to geologist Thomas Aigner and egyptologist Mark Lehner, the original ground surface of the Mokkatam Formation that constitutes the basement of the pyramids, is made of a very hard and massive limestone bank of the nummulite type (gray limestone banks on the Figure). On the opposite, the outcrop that dips into the wadi, where the quarries are located and also the trench around the Sphinx and the Sphinx body, consist of softer thickly bedded marly nummulite limestone layers with a relative high amount of clay (yellow bank in the Figure). Concurring to the traditional carving theory, Mark Lehner states “… the builders took advantage of the thickly bedded softer limestones of the south part of the Mokkatam Formation, while founding the pyramids on the hard nummulite bank to the north

www.geopolymer.org...

originally posted by: bloodymarvelous

originally posted by: AlanBChrist


the DDC is correct

Have you given us a link to the DDC yet?

We won't see it. Apparently he only offers his material ta a chosen few.

If he thinks you might be critical of his material, you won't see it ....

I tried to see it a few pages back and all he could offer is cached|missing thumbnails from a google image search.

a reply to: bloodymarvelous

what part of the stuff are you asking about?
and how much time do you concider to be a different time with in the span of 20 years

All the DDC can say is that the stuff was built at the correct time

Sense the limestone that was used in the structure matches those in the quarries
the DDC cares not what time the limestone was quarried


The DDC never stated there was a hill to dig down from,,.
by digging down from the origial ground elevation it would
create a core with the base of the structure starting at a sub level

The DDC

originally posted by: Harte

originally posted by: bloodymarvelous

originally posted by: Harte

Tell me where you got that idea.

Harte

Meidum is about 2600 BC, and the GP is about 2200 GP. Even if your average peasant only lived about 30 years, the Pharaohs seemed to live reasonably long.

The Old Kingdom lasted about 500 years.
You have to count Djoser's pyramid. I mean, that's what the AE's called it.
Plus, there was plenty of "grand scale building" for a thousand years after that.

Harte

djosers started as a mustaba and later rulers added on to it for themselves.

so it ended up as a step pyramid but wasn't designed from the beginning as one.

interesting monument but really nothing like the 3 on gaza, giza, goyza plateau.

a reply to: AlanBChrist

There is no need for private dialog between you and I.

Post your material here for everyone to see? I triple dog dare you ...

originally posted by: AlanBChrist
a reply to: bloodymarvelous

what part of the stuff are you asking about?
and how much time do you concider to be a different time with in the span of 20 years

All the DDC can say is that the stuff was built at the correct time

Sense the limestone that was used in the structure matches those in the quarries
the DDC cares not what time the limestone was quarried


The DDC never stated there was a hill to dig down from,,.
by digging down from the origial ground elevation it would
create a core with the base of the structure starting at a sub level

The DDC

I'm thinking thousands of years different. With the granite interior being built most likely by pre-younger dryas culture, and then the limestone exterior being added by Khufu.

The 80 ton blocks are mostly granite. Although there are also some really huge limestone blocks near them.

originally posted by: Hanslune

originally posted by: bloodymarvelous

originally posted by: AlanBChrist


the DDC is correct

Have you given us a link to the DDC yet?


If the stuff inside the Pyramid was built at a different time from the exterior, then the DDC only needs to explain the interior part.

(Then matching grains of limestone exterior stones do not count against it, being from a different construction era.)

However, no matter how well the DDC would work if it were tried, if geologists can determine with certainty that there never was a hill to dig down from, then it's still dead in the water.

The use of quarries on site and that limestone from those specific layers kills the idea off at the start.

It does, unless all the DDC users built was the granite interior.