The Ancient Egyptian Stones Were Perfectly Precise How is this Possible? Many Qs Little Answers

a reply to: AlanBChrist

Thats 40 levels not 50

originally posted by: AlanBChrist
a reply to: bloodymarvelous

First there are two rules never go against the laws of physics
and use what mother nature gives you to work with..

I am sure you know were the queens chamber is , it has many 20 ton slabs of stone that make up the roof

what do you use to support multi-ton slabs that make up the roof while putting them
into place without the use of a lifting device?

I will not teel you the answer but I will point you in the right direction

If you think then the DDC will come...

The same method Sneferu used for his pyramids (Red and Black are both completely made of granite) Similar floor plans to G1, same corbelled structures, etc.

Because the same folks who worked on Khufu's father's pyramids (Sneferu had as many as 4, and the total volume is bigger than Khufu's pyramid) had this down to a fine art. Also, a number of them may have worked on the early versions of the temples at Karnak (which also required large stones in the roof.

I can tell you from actually having been there in person that the Red and Black pyramids have no hills nearby.

They lifted larger stones than the ones in G1 up to temple roofs.

If you didn't know anything about their architecture, you might suspect Giza is a "one off"... instead it's one of a sequence of similar things and similar building material and floor plans. And that's the thing about Egypt --there's enough material that we can see how things developed.

I don't understand how anyone could possibly believe that Sneferu built the internal part of the Pyramid at Meidum.

Seriously: they didn't dig down to bedrock before adding the stones to make it a true pyramid. Yet the internal "step pyramid", which only has a few steps, is basically a masterpiece of engineering proficiency.

Digging down to bedrock before you start building is something a child knows to do. How do you reconcile the gargantuan divide in a proficiency between the two stages of construction?

originally posted by: AlanBChrist
But you do know that the picture of the ramp going around the pyramid
is complete nonsense this is why there is never a illistration showing that
ramp being built

Why is there never an illustration of the plateau being dug into?

Tit for tat.

Harte

originally posted by: bloodymarvelous
I don't understand how anyone could possibly believe that Sneferu built the internal part of the Pyramid at Meidum.

Seriously: they didn't dig down to bedrock before adding the stones to make it a true pyramid. Yet the internal "step pyramid", which only has a few steps, is basically a masterpiece of engineering proficiency.

Digging down to bedrock before you start building is something a child knows to do. How do you reconcile the gargantuan divide in a proficiency between the two stages of construction?

Are you confusing the remains of the base and the rubble pile with a hilltop or natural geology?

The area's pretty darn flat though in modern times the collapsed pyramid is surrounded by rubble and overrun by sand simply because there's no finances to support a large number of work crews there. The shaft goes into the bedrock but the surface itself is reasonably level.

As with Djoser's step pyramid and most other pyramids, they didn't waste time leveling something. They picked the flattest ground in the area and started building.

Meidum is the reason that I have totally given up on the idea of the structural cores of the big pyramids having been built by the people who claimed to build them.

Learning about it was the moment that I stopped entertaining the possibility that mainstream Egyptology's narrative might be entirely accurate, and starting trying to figure out who built the original structures.


I know wiki isn't always perfectly reliable, but the wiki article on Meidum actually states this directly:

en.wikipedia.org...

Meidum was affected by construction errors. Firstly, the outer layer was founded on sand and not on rock, like the inner layers.

Seriously, who would found any important structure on sand instead of rock?

Reminds me of a song I used to sing as a small child at church.

www.youtube.com...


But the core structure, which is still standing, and looks like a complete structure in its own right, just not a pyramid. That structure is dug down to bedrock. Not founded on sand.

I mean : we're talking about a structure that survived the shock of the casing falling off of it, and it still standing thousands of years later. ........ built by the same people who built that shoddy casing?

originally posted by: bloodymarvelous
Meidum is the reason that I have totally given up on the idea of the structural cores of the big pyramids having been built by the people who claimed to build them.

Learning about it was the moment that I stopped entertaining the possibility that mainstream Egyptology's narrative might be entirely accurate, and starting trying to figure out who built the original structures.


I know wiki isn't always perfectly reliable, but the wiki article on Meidum actually states this directly:

en.wikipedia.org...

Meidum was affected by construction errors. Firstly, the outer layer was founded on sand and not on rock, like the inner layers.

Seriously, who would found any important structure on sand instead of rock?

Reminds me of a song I used to sing as a small child at church.

www.youtube.com...


But the core structure, which is still standing, and looks like a complete structure in its own right, just not a pyramid. That structure is dug down to bedrock. Not founded on sand.

I mean : we're talking about a structure that survived the shock of the casing falling off of it, and it still standing thousands of years later. ........ built by the same people who built that shoddy casing?

Remember, the pyramid was an experimental design and they had lots of buildings (houses, palaces. mastabas) built on sand. They lacked structural engineering principles.

Note that after Meidum things changed considerably. Sneferu was the one whose builders and architects worked out the problems for the rest of them. So Gizamids didn't just suddenly show up with all the things established. Djoser
and his successor Sekhemket built variations but Father Sneferu was the one who did the major development.

a reply to: Harte

The reason why you can't find a illistration of down ramp and core building
process, is becouse ,.. I am the original the creater of the DDC method

I decide what illistrations will be released , and when becouse I made them
Even the most important one ,.. the one in your head
By trying to debunk the DDC the opposite has happend
it matters not if you agree or disagree The DDC has been confirmed
as a pyramid construction method by just talking to you

Laying the structural blocks of the structure is childs play
compared to building the chambers inside,, It would not matter if
you fliped the whole plateau over so you could start building from the top
down ,,..If you can't build what is inside

I given up the first detailed illistration of the Grand Gallery being built
without any tools except SAND to whitch blows away anything that can be
found published anywhere

The DDC

originally posted by: AlanBChrist
a reply to: Harte


Laying the structural blocks of the structure is childs play
compared to building the chambers inside,, It would not matter if
you fliped the whole plateau over so you could start building from the top
down ,,..If you can't build what is inside

I can agree with you up to this point.

The interior chambers, especially the heavy granite blocks, are the part that required skill.

The outer casing that makes it be shaped like a pyramid are a "volume of effort" kind of thing. Where a fairly mediocre amount of skill would be sufficient, and the deciding factor is down to the size of work force.

originally posted by: Byrd


Remember, the pyramid was an experimental design and they had lots of buildings (houses, palaces. mastabas) built on sand. They lacked structural engineering principles.

Note that after Meidum things changed considerably. Sneferu was the one whose builders and architects worked out the problems for the rest of them. So Gizamids didn't just suddenly show up with all the things established. Djoser
and his successor Sekhemket built variations but Father Sneferu was the one who did the major development.

We are to believe that they made it all the way from that point, to the building of the grand gallery in three generations?

originally posted by: AlanBChrist
a reply to: Harte

The reason why you can't find a illistration of down ramp and core building
process, is becouse ,.. I am the original the creater of the DDC method

I agree.
The Egyptians certainly didn't invent it.

Harte

originally posted by: bloodymarvelous

We are to believe that they made it all the way from that point, to the building of the grand gallery in three generations?

Why not? Sneferu built shorter versions in his pyramids. Since the same master craftsmen and their families would have been on these same projects, I don't see how they could all forget the technique overnight.

a reply to: Harte

There are 100's tumbs Underground that use a down ramp as part of the enterance

So they were more than aware of this kind of method

originally posted by: Byrd

originally posted by: bloodymarvelous

We are to believe that they made it all the way from that point, to the building of the grand gallery in three generations?

Why not? Sneferu built shorter versions in his pyramids. Since the same master craftsmen and their families would have been on these same projects, I don't see how they could all forget the technique overnight.

originally posted by: Byrd

originally posted by: bloodymarvelous

We are to believe that they made it all the way from that point, to the building of the grand gallery in three generations?

Why not? Sneferu built shorter versions in his pyramids. Since the same master craftsmen and their families would have been on these same projects, I don't see how they could all forget the technique overnight.

I guess internal structures continued to be interesting for a few generations after. Similar scale, in terms of the size of blocks and granite, although much less impressive overall.

en.wikipedia.org...

en.wikipedia.org...

They're not corbelled, but the saddled roofs seem comparable in technical difficulty.



I can't rule it out entirely. Just amazed one guy would build three grand pyramids in one life time (or perhaps finish one and build two more.)

a reply to: AlanBChrist

It gets more interesting, like why has an underground city be closed off for security reasons. What happened to the fourth Pyramid. Looks like they have found Heroditus was right. This business of security clampdowns on ancient sites seems pretty worrisome. Personally, if such an advanced culture can get buried under the sands, then we are toast as well at the wiles of nature. www.bitchute.com...

originally posted by: anonentity
a reply to: AlanBChrist

It gets more interesting, like why has an underground city be closed off for security reasons. What happened to the fourth Pyramid. Looks like they have found Heroditus was right. This business of security clampdowns on ancient sites seems pretty worrisome. Personally, if such an advanced culture can get buried under the sands, then we are toast as well at the wiles of nature. www.bitchute.com...

Have you ever wondered why it is that you can't just walk into Washington DC and take the Declaration of Independence?

Harte

a reply to: Harte


Well, you have a point. But the reason given is for National security,

On the one hand, in Egypt the military basically runs the whole economy.

On the other hand, they seem really afraid of anyone interpreting a find away from the pharaohs. I can't get that. The way I see it, it would be their ancestors doing it either way. Or for "ancient aliens" types, it still makes the sites interesting enough to attract tourists.

The lack of transparency makes it harder to trust the things Egypt does tell us.

originally posted by: Byrd

originally posted by: bloodymarvelous
Meidum is the reason that I have totally given up on the idea of the structural cores of the big pyramids having been built by the people who claimed to build them.

Learning about it was the moment that I stopped entertaining the possibility that mainstream Egyptology's narrative might be entirely accurate, and starting trying to figure out who built the original structures.


I know wiki isn't always perfectly reliable, but the wiki article on Meidum actually states this directly:

en.wikipedia.org...

Meidum was affected by construction errors. Firstly, the outer layer was founded on sand and not on rock, like the inner layers.

Seriously, who would found any important structure on sand instead of rock?

Reminds me of a song I used to sing as a small child at church.

www.youtube.com...


But the core structure, which is still standing, and looks like a complete structure in its own right, just not a pyramid. That structure is dug down to bedrock. Not founded on sand.

I mean : we're talking about a structure that survived the shock of the casing falling off of it, and it still standing thousands of years later. ........ built by the same people who built that shoddy casing?

Remember, the pyramid was an experimental design and they had lots of buildings (houses, palaces. mastabas) built on sand. They lacked structural engineering principles.

This is the problem I'm having: the internal structure of Meidum doesn't look to me like it could possibly have been built by someone who "lacked structural engineering principles".

But you're right: they must have lacked them, and terribly so.

But seriously, the internal part of Meidum has been standing for just as long as the Great Pyramid. In fact : it has been standing for even longer.

Note that after Meidum things changed considerably. Sneferu was the one whose builders and architects worked out the problems for the rest of them. So Gizamids didn't just suddenly show up with all the things established. Djoser
and his successor Sekhemket built variations but Father Sneferu was the one who did the major development.

Did they change? Or did they just learn to dig to bedrock when adding an outer shell?

The Bent pyramid makes just as much sense if the internal part were already there as it does if it had been built from the bottom up. The builders might have been loading stone onto an existing structure, noticed that it was beginning to crack (since they would have had no idea what its limits were if they didn't build it). Then changed slope.

The Red Pyramid has extensive, and interesting internal structure, but the only real change from it and the Bent Pyramid is they started with the softer slope, so they wouldn't need to change later on.

I'm seeing changes, but nothing terribly revolutionary. And changes like these are the most likely to happen in just a couple of generations.

I'm not seeing any structural changes to the core. And that is the issue.

The part I totally agree they did build is advancing in visible ways. The part I doubt they built was already advanced.

originally posted by: anonentity
a reply to: Harte


Well, you have a point. But the reason given is for National security,

Whose exactly? I've never found anyone terribly concerned about what ancient civilization archaeological remains would contain that would disturb a modern state. Unless they are a theocracy and a bit nuts.