It's ILLOGICAL to think God didn't Create the Universe

a reply to: cooperton

Your response doesn't dispute or refute the facts that I summarized. Language and theism didn't exist for the last 4 billion years that humans didn't exist on Earth, and no other lifeform had invented the tools to describe any form of theology prior to our arrival. Without humans there would be no god.

originally posted by: daskakik

originally posted by: PaPaTaco
So far you have brought nothing/no evidence to the table.... Only (That I'm) "Lame" in responses...

That is because it was never my intention to prove the big bang theory. I was just pointing out that you got the nothing/everything part of it wrong in your example.

I then pointed out the argument of science being a religion is a stretch. Sure some people might take their science religiously but that is a personal thing and not a fundamental part of science.

That's fair enough....if that was never your intention... Since my original comment on this thread... my point as been to prove creation, but it got sidetracked and a bit hijacked... but that's neither here nor there atm...

You may think I have nothing, but we haven't even begun to look into the evidences I had planned to share.... well because the conversations went sideways and never really stayed on topic... So as far as me having nothing... Well from your POV I can understand you saying so, from my POV...we've only just begun...

As far as my example.... it read with a bit of humor... it was not meant to be "Scientific"

Sure it can be a religion... but my points above were to try and separate "Science" from the religion of "Scientism"

Make sense?

originally posted by: TzarChasm
a reply to: cooperton

Your response doesn't dispute or refute the facts that I summarized. Language and theism didn't exist for the last 4 billion years that humans didn't exist on Earth, and no other lifeform had invented the tools to describe any form of theology prior to our arrival. Without humans there would be no god.

Prove It.... (You can't... all you can do is parrot what it is you think you believe and Scientism preaches)

a reply to: PaPaTaco

Can't prove a negative, which goes hand in hand with assuming a relationship before facts have been gathered to clearly illustrate that dynamic. It's called a null hypothesis.

originally posted by: TzarChasm
a reply to: PaPaTaco

Can't prove a negative, which goes hand in hand with assuming a relationship before facts have been gathered to clearly illustrate that dynamic. It's called a null hypothesis.

Fair enough... so basically it's nothing more than "Conjecture"

originally posted by: TzarChasm
a reply to: cooperton

Your response doesn't dispute or refute the facts that I summarized. Language and theism didn't exist for the last 4 billion years that humans didn't exist on Earth, and no other lifeform had invented the tools to describe any form of theology prior to our arrival. Without humans there would be no god.

You're assuming evolution is true, and using that baseless assumption to try to disprove God. The problem is you have no empirical evidence to prove that assertion. Human remains and footprints are found in the same sediment layers as dinosaurs... this alone disproves your disoriented timeline of history.




But none of this actual empirical evidence matters to you because you are dogmatically concreted into the illogical notion that logical creatures came to be through illogical progressions. Your theory has no philosophical or scientific support whatsoever. Neither does your wildly baseless 4 billions years assertion.

a reply to: cooperton

I'm not assuming anything, I just shared the basic facts including the chronology of geology, human society and language and the rise of theism as a direct result. There was no god before humans.

originally posted by: TzarChasm
a reply to: cooperton
There was no god before humans.

Mostly all major ancient manuscripts have God and their Creator as their primary focal texts and they claim God as the originator of all humankind.

I'm not assuming anything, I just shared the basic facts including the chronology of geology

Whats the proof earth existed for 4 billion years without humans? You never support any of your outlandish claims with emprical evidence, just fallacious appeals to majority. Regardless This wouldn't falsify God. God doesn't need humans for His existence.

originally posted by: TzarChasm
a reply to: cooperton

I'm not assuming anything, I just shared the basic facts including the chronology of geology, human society and language and the rise of theism as a direct result. There was no god before humans.

Again... prove it... More conjecture and scientism speak...

"In the beginning was God"

God (YHVH/Jesus) created Mankind in His image... Mankind created and worshipped many Gods in their image including the denial that God exists.... It's also very strange that athiests or followers of Scientism hate what and who they say does not exist....

So the basic facts you've shared are purely nothing more than the faith in the religion you have chose to to represent in this discussion.

a reply to: cooperton

The proof... "Carbon Dating" (A totally flawed tool of deception)

LOL... and beacuse "Scientism" says so... so it must be true...

originally posted by: PaPaTaco


Again... prove it... More conjecture and scientism speak...

In all my time here on ATS I don't think tzarchasm has ever given any legitimate empirical evidence to support any of his mutant ape ancestor fantasies. He evades by either disappearing when he realizes he is wrong, or changes the subject and resorts to erroneous insult.

originally posted by: PaPaTaco
a reply to: cooperton

The proof... "Carbon Dating" (A totally flawed tool of deception)

LOL... and beacuse "Scientism" says so... so it must be true...

Ironically even carbon dating says dinosaurs are in the thousands to tens of thousands year old range. There's literally no empirical or philosophical science that supports the evolutionary narrative:

C14 dating on dinosaur bones

a reply to: cooperton

I'm not surprised by any of that... I've found it's typically how dishonesty works.

originally posted by: PaPaTaco
a reply to: cooperton

I'm not surprised by any of that... I've found it's typically how dishonesty works.

Notice how his last response ignored the evidence I showed entirely? Its some phenomenon where they can't comprehend that their theory that unintelligence made intelligent beings is wrong.

originally posted by: PaPaTaco
"In the beginning was God"

Sorry but, prove it.

originally posted by: daskakik

originally posted by: PaPaTaco
"In the beginning was God"

Sorry but, prove it.

Are you an honest person? Willing to lay all your cards of belief down on the table and sift thru them to pull out the ones that are false and hold onto the ones that are true....

Or do you just want to play this game?

originally posted by: PaPaTaco
Are you an honest person? Willing to lay all your cards of belief down on the table and sift thru them to pull out the ones that are false and hold onto the ones that are true....

Or do you just want to play this game?

It's your game. You keep asking people to "prove it" and I just said it is now your turn.

a reply to: cooperton

Oh I've noticed every response lacks integrity as well as being intellectually dishonest....


All parroted theory, but presented as absolute law.

a reply to: daskakik

I'm more than happy to... (but you most likely wont accept it)

but not before you answer my question....

originally posted by: PaPaTaco
I'm more than happy to... (but you most likely wont accept it)

but not before you answer my question....

I am an honest person and am willing to lay all my cards of belief down on the table and sift thru them to pull out the ones that are false and hold onto the ones that are true.

originally posted by: daskakik

It's your game. You keep asking people to "prove it" and I just said it is now your turn.

You want him to prove, with logic, that humans have a logical Creator?

Thats like asking a bird to prove that flight exists. It goes without saying, unless you're being a dodo or something