It's ILLOGICAL to think God didn't Create the Universe

When vibrations from "separate things" resonate they become synchronized. Tesla said:

If you want to find the secrets of the universe, think in terms of energy, frequency and vibration. Nikola Tesla

This destroys materialism and a natural interpretation of evolution because these things are supposed to be random and without purpose. Something banged for no reason and produced the laws of physics and the constants of nature just right for life. Bang and the Cosmological Constant is 10^120 or a number with 120 decimal places. A lighting strike on a puddle on earth and viola, DNA more advanced than a supercomputer crawls out of the mud.

The whole premise from materialist and Darwinist is illogical but it's driven by an atheist belief not logic. Check out this video:



In the video, people walk over a bridge in London and as the bridge starts to shake the people on the bridge begin to walk in sync with the shaking of the bridge and this cause the bridge to shake even more. You also will see pendulums on clocks that start off shaking randomly and then their ticks become in sync with each other.

The point is, order out of chaos is a feature of the universe down to quantum scales. How do you get inherent order out of chaos in the universe without reason and logic preceding the universe?

The Bible tells us why this is the case. It says, God isn't the author of confusion. It tells us in Genesis 1 that God Created order out of chaos.

1 In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.

2 And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters.

Out of chaos God Created order through the Word!

It amazes me that atheist and materialist act as though it's reasonable and logical to say reason and logic came from nothing. There's no reason or logic that reason and logic exists, HOW IS THAT LOGICAL??

We serve a God of Love, Reason and Order so we should see Order, Reason and Logic in the universe He Created and we do! The Bible says:

Isaiah 1:18 Come now, and let us reason together, saith the Lord: though your sins be as scarlet, they shall be as white as snow; though they be red like crimson, they shall be as wool.

Here God is saying COME NOW, LET US REASON TOGETHER and people who believe in God are illogical?

We're the ones who believe in Reason, Logic and Order that comes from God not a supercomputer that encodes it's own sequence with information and also encodes it's sequence with the information to decode coded sequence just crawled out of the mud and came about via random mutations. THAT'S ILLOGICAL!

To say that values of constants that's 10^120, 10^59 or 10^34 that are correlated just happened after a bang for no REASON is ILLOGICAL!!

The Bible tells us, because we have the Spirit of God within us we should UNDERSTAND his Creation.

Romans 1:20 For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse:

I HAVE TO REPEAT THAT!!

Romans 1:20 For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse:

You know the universe was Created by God but you deny him to please your carnal mind!

The Word of God is about Love, Reason, Logic and Order. BEING UNDERSTOOD BY THE THINGS THAT ARE MADE!! God tells us why there's science because we have His Spirit and can understand His Creation. THAT'S LOGICAL!

We call Einstein and Hawking a genius for discovering the Genius of God.

We're illogical when atheist tell us that awareness came from non awareness. They say awareness evolved out of a puddle of mud or whatever the nonsensical description is today. How can qualia and experience come from come from nowhere? It has to come from nowhere because you're saying awareness and the qualia of experience showed up 10,000 years ago and built these complex civilizations. THAT'S ILLOGICAL! THAT'S DEVOID OF REASON!

Why does the resonance of these vibrations bring order? Why are they encoded with information? There was an article about this in Scientific American called:

The Hippies Were Right: It's All about Vibrations, Man!

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You have theories now that part of our consciousness is tied to vibrations that become synchronized. Penrose and his theory of a Quantum Mind talk about quantum vibrations.

The Easy Part of the Hard Problem: A Resonance Theory of Consciousness

Synchronization, harmonization, vibrations, or simply resonance in its most general sense seems to have an integral relationship with consciousness itself. One of the possible “neural correlates of consciousness” in mammalian brains is a specific combination of gamma, beta and theta electrical synchrony. More broadly, we see similar kinds of resonance patterns in living and non-living structures of many types. What clues can resonance provide about the nature of consciousness more generally? This paper provides an overview of resonating structures in the fields of neuroscience, biology and physics and offers a possible solution to what we see as the “easy part” of the “Hard Problem” of consciousness, which is generally known as the “combination problem.” The combination problem asks: how do micro-conscious entities combine into a higher-level macro-consciousness? The proposed solution in the context of mammalian consciousness suggests that a shared resonance is what allows different parts of the brain to achieve a phase transition in the speed and bandwidth of information flows between the constituent parts. This phase transition allows for richer varieties of consciousness to arise, with the character and content of that consciousness in each moment determined by the particular set of constituent neurons. We also offer more general insights into the ontology of consciousness and suggest that consciousness manifests as a continuum of increasing richness in all physical processes, distinguishing our view from emergentist materialism. We refer to this approach, a meta-synthesis, as a (general) resonance theory of consciousness. We offer some suggestions for testing the theory.

www.frontiersin.org...

Why synchronized order from vibrations? Look at the sense of smell which looks like a mix of the shape of the odor molecule and quantum vibrations.



Think about it, you don't taste the variety of different foods, you smell it. When you have a stuffy nose, you can't taste the flavor of pizza or a steak, you should have base bland tastes. Without smell, everything would taste close to the same.

Why you lose your sense of smell and taste when you’ve got a cold

Still, what sucks with both colds and flu (aside from feeling ghastly) is that you can’t even enjoy the flavour of that yummy chicken soup you thought would make you feel better. Of course, it’s because you’ve lost your sense of taste along with your sense of humour. But ever wondered why you can’t taste properly with a cold or stuffy nose?

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[More importantly though, is to understand that the flavour of food involves both smell and taste. In fact, 80% of our taste is related to smell, so it’s not surprising that most of the flavour of a food comes from your ability to smell it, explains Professor Jeremiah Alt, Assistant Professor of Surgery and Rhinology at University of Utah Hospitals and Clinics.

In an online article on the American Rhinologic Society (ARS) website, he explains that the tongue is your taste organ, as it can sense salty, sweet, sour, bitter and umami (savoury). “Our sense of smell (known as olfaction) provides the rest of a food’s flavour, which is why it’s difficult to appreciate food flavour when you have nasal obstruction from a cold, stuffy nose or rhinosinusitus.”

When you have a cold, the swelling causes inflammation and obstruction, which impairs your smell. The flavour of food is produced only after taste is combined with a smell, so if a stuffy nose impairs your sense of smell, it will also decrease your perception of taste.

When your nose is stuffy, taste receptors in your taste buds have to do the job of assessing food flavour in different taste molecules all on their own. Truth is, even though you have around 2000 and 5000 taste buds on your tongue, in your mouth and throat (with each containing 50 to 100 taste receptor cells) they still don’t come close to what your nose knows!

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How does the shape of a molecule and quantum vibrations know what pizza or steak is supposed to taste like? This is about as Matrix as it gets! There's no objective taste to pizza, steak or tacos that's vastly different without smell. Your awareness experiences eating these things because there's no objective taste to pizza or steak!

This comes from a logical Mind not blind materialism.

Again, they act like their the ones being logical or they have reason on their side when they say logic, reason and order came from something without REASON. HOW ABSURD!

I thank God everyday that I was called to follow Christ. I can't imagine being stuck in the pit of materialism for 30, 40, 50, 80 years. I believe everyone inherently knows God exists but people have free will and so the carnal mind supresses the knowledge of God and that's sad because the spiritual mind knows there's so much more to us and the universe.

God did.


a reply to: neoholographic

In the beginning [TIME]

God [SPIRIT]

created [ENERGY]

the heaven [SPACE]

and the earth [MATTER].

a reply to: neoholographic

The Universe is Illogical and chaotic..............

There is no evidence for God and therefore no evidence that he/she/it created it.

"In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth."

a reply to: neoholographic

Who created the beginning? Without a beginning, nothing could have begun.

"And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters."

Waters? We are still in point 1), and no waters are mentioned there. A logical contradiction?

"You know the universe was Created by God"

Sure, in the beginning. No big deal. I'm more interested in who created the beginning.

originally posted by: Lazarus Short
In the beginning [TIME]

God [SPIRIT]

created [ENERGY]

the heaven [SPACE]

and the earth [MATTER].

I like this

There was just another post about grass being blue or being green. There is so much overwhelming evidence that there is a Creator that for any human with logic to conclude there is not one is absurd.

We don't even need to get really technical. A simple statement of fact is enough.

"Of course, every house is constructed by someone, but the one who constructed all things is God."-Hebrews 3:4.

No one has ever seen non-life become life. No one has ever proven it. The more and more scientists peer into the vast universe and see its intricate design and into the infinitesimal and see its mind-boggling complexity filled with intricate design we can only marvel at the more they see into the mind of God.


Of course not everyone is educated. And a lot of people just accept what they are taught. And the schools teach evolution. So most people say, oh, it must be so. But when they delve further they realize it is all sham. They realize everything their science textbooks and professors teach them about the proofs of evolution do not exist. That they are held up by fanciful imagination and willful ignorance.

It BANGS all the time. Die, blink, you’re back, over and over. Might take a trillion years or many trillions, but eventually it all lines up again and you’re back - exactly as before. Beautiful, tragic, pointless.

I think it is stupid to think that there is no God. In a universe this gigantic it would be improbable for there not to be. Somewhere in the multiverses it’s likely a wizened, evil creature is clutching a ring deep below a mountain. Or maybe a guy called Jon Snow is stood atop a wall of ice. It’s literally all possible. We go round and round and so does God. a reply to: neoholographic

If GOD is simply the energy that is Everything then I agree, but if You start adding that the Bible is the word of God and it wants this or wants that then No I don't believe a word of it. You may call that illogical but I find Abrahamic Religions illogical.

originally posted by: QFlux
There was just another post about grass being blue or being green. There is so much overwhelming evidence that there is a Creator that for any human with logic to conclude there is not one is absurd.

We don't even need to get really technical. A simple statement of fact is enough.

"Of course, every house is constructed by someone, but the one who constructed all things is God."-Hebrews 3:4.

No one has ever seen non-life become life. No one has ever proven it. The more and more scientists peer into the vast universe and see its intricate design and into the infinitesimal and see its mind-boggling complexity filled with intricate design we can only marvel at the more they see into the mind of God.


Of course not everyone is educated. And a lot of people just accept what they are taught. And the schools teach evolution. So most people say, oh, it must be so. But when they delve further they realize it is all sham. They realize everything their science textbooks and professors teach them about the proofs of evolution do not exist. That they are held up by fanciful imagination and willful ignorance.

Good points!

a reply to: neoholographic

This destroys materialism and a natural interpretation of evolution because these things are supposed to be random and without purpose

Evolution isn't 'random'. Which 'evolutionist' said that?

This is a good thread/topic I applaud the OP.

I will just add that if you believe in Jesus Christ and his words you must by default listen to what he said about creation since he was there and witnessed it first hand from the heavens.

Matthew 19:4
In every possible translation.

Jesus would know if one celled creatures developed into both man and woman via evolution or not, his testimony is no.
Man & woman were created fully developed.

I have to wonder, if you're so confident in your conclusions, why do you need to keep arguing with strangers on the internet about it.

originally posted by: TzarChasm
I have to wonder, if you're so confident in your conclusions, why do you need to keep arguing with strangers on the internet about it.

Because from his perspective we're the publicans* of Luke 18:9-14, and he's the other guy.


*Tax collector

Walk away.

2nd.

Even as the OP may be correct is it not reasonable to also ask, ''is it logical to believe that all of this was created by some super being sitting on a throne with scores of heavenly agents hanging around singing is praises for all eternity?

Were is the ''logic'' in believing that this super dude told a couple of children don't eat this particular fruit or you and all your descendants will live in sin under the spell of another invisible being that the first super dude created in the first place and that this other super being had somehow managed to turn evil and the first super being shrugged his shoulders and blamed those two kids for all the problems to follow. Where is the ''logic'' in that?

To me, what is logical is to take that which we are finding about the nature of our existence and trying to understand it in CONCERT with those old fantasy stories, not interpreting these things we are finding as if those fantasies are the bedrock TEMPLATE in understanding them. This means being willing to ditch those fantasy stories and discover the underpinning of those stories that those ancient people were forced to believe just like the people on a swaying bridge begin to walk in sync with that swaying bridge.

a reply to: neoholographic

Good luck with this thread, i've banged my head against the wall with atheists too many times to contribute.

"Atheism is so senseless and odious to mankind that it never had many professors."

“This most beautiful system of the sun, planets and comets, could only proceed from the counsel and dominion of an intelligent and all powerful being"

“Gravity explains the motions of the planets, but it cannot explain who sets the planets in motion. God governs all things and knows all that is or can be done.”

Atheists beware, before attacking these quotes you should research their author.

In summary, i agree wholeheartedly with your thread title.

While I am a creationist, I believe it takes a lot of faith in modern society to believe what Christianity teaches

Suffice to say
It's ILLOGICAL to think God Created the Universe