About nine million doctors are either corrupt, negligent, cowards or a combination of all three

a reply to: nonspecific

It's human bias. You have decided that nothing could be wrong with the vaccine. No matter how much evidence is presented that there could be something wrong with it. You won't believe it. I try to be objective. I agree people are not dropping dead left and right from the vaccine. But the undeniable truth is. You nor anyone else knows what the long term effects are of the vaccine. And as it looks like now the vaccine isn't doing anything to slow the spread of covid. I don't know where your at, but in the USA that was a major selling point. Now that has changed to, well you won't get as sick. Where I come from that's called lying. But it has been labeled new data. You might want to also consider. Search engines along with most social media have banned any dissent on the vaccine. In fact just to find this site. I had to use duck duck go. Google would no show it.

That's down to politics not science really then isn't it?

Here in the UK it was never claimed the vaccine would prevent you getting covid 19 but that it would drastically improve your chances of you got it. Had the delta variant not taken hold that's most likely what would have happened.

Don't take my attitude of one where the vacination can do no harm as that's not my opinion, there's risk with any medication and always will be.

My point was, and still is that I just can't buy into 9 million doctors all being either corrupt or inept on this scale.

Across 195 countries you'd think there would be more than the few there is right?



a reply to: Uknownparadox

a reply to: nonspecific

Here in the UK it was never claimed the vaccine would prevent you getting covid 19 but that it would drastically improve your chances of you got it. Had the delta variant not taken hold that's most likely what would have happened.

Idk I'm not there. That sounds pretty close to what we got here. Except we were told we were safe from all variants on 6/30
So from my perspective. You sell me something saying it does this. Then just a few months later tell me it doesn't do that. Either you're incompetent or a liar. Both fine reasons for me not to trust you.

But you didn't even address the fact all dissenting information is being squashed. And besides all of that. How does a vaccine wipe out a virus when you can still get it and transmit it after being vaccinated?

But your not being sold anything are you? It's free right?

It's interesting to see that the same people that screamed about the lack of testing are the same ones now complaining that the "rushed" vaccine is not as effective as it could have been.

Will riding a crash helmet when riding a motorcycle stop you from having a crash? If you do crash will it definatley stop you from dying?



a reply to: Uknownparadox

originally posted by: Chalcedony
a reply to: nonspecific

Given that being a doctor is a pretty complex job that requires several years of academic study to do I'm guessing that the majority are complicit as opposed to feeble minded.

There is a difference between the ability to memorize information put in front of you and the ability to actually learn information and use critical thinking in evaluating information. Anyone can go through complex training and pass it, just by rote memorization. Intelligence should not be measured by this. 25 percent of doctors graduate in the bottom 1/4th of their class and......

Recent studies of medical errors have estimated errors may account for as many as 251,000 deaths annually in the United States (U.S)., making medical errors the third leading cause of death.

pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov...

So yeah, I would say that even medical professionals, vast numbers of them are prone to mistakes and group think just like everyone else.

Vernally speaking, you can't even get into medical school without doing the things that you're suggesting are important.

originally posted by: Uknownparadox
a reply to: nonspecific

But you didn't even address the fact all dissenting information is being squashed. And besides all of that. How does a vaccine wipe out a virus when you can still get it and transmit it after being vaccinated?

This one is just maths. People who've been vaxxed have a greatly reduced chance of transmitting covid, so you starve it of hosts.

a reply to: nonspecific

But your not being sold anything are you? It's free right?

No the taxpayer is picking up the bill. That's me and just about every other person in America.

It's interesting to see that the same people that screamed about the lack of testing are the same ones now complaining that the "rushed" vaccine is not as effective as it could have been.

I don't understand this. I am not screaming about lack of testing. I am screaming we were told one thing. Then something else, then something else. And everyone seems to have their earplugs in. It's becoming a trend. That does not inspire any confidences. No one was wrong. It's all just new data. Well all this new data is what you get when you rush a vaccine. Or anything else.

Will riding a crash helmet when riding a motorcycle stop you from having a crash? If you do crash will it definatley stop you from dying?

Certainly will not. But sell me that helmet and say it will keep me from dying, then turn around and say it won't. Doesn't inspire confidence in you and your product. But a lot of people think I should put 100% confidences in you and your product. Now that you have changed your story about it several times.

Then like I said before your issue is with the US government, starting under trump and continuing under biden and not with covid 19 or the various vaccines that were developed and currently in use.


a reply to: Uknownparadox

Wow. I popped by after years away and within a minute got struck by this nugget of nonsense.

9 million doctors, many more millions of nurses right?

You believe a conspiracy of mass ignorance of Covid and/or mass fear of revealing the ‘truth’ about Covid and vaccines is more likely than the possibility that a vast majority of doctors do believe that a new coronavirus could exist and that huge scientific advances and the attention of the whole world might lead to an effective vaccine being developed?

You cannot call yourself a critical thinker when the obvious outcome - that these medical professionals are being consistent because they genuinely believe what they are talking about - is one you won’t even countenance.

Ask yourself what the odds are that a group of YouTube educated keyboard warriors and doomsdayers might know more about Covid that almost the entire medical profession. Posts here even allude to the idea that doctors don’t know much beyond their specialisms - and that somehow you do? God, what a depressingly blinkered mentality to have.

When 99.9% of professionals say you’re wrong, you still MIGHT not be - but refusing to acknowledge that you are, means you probably are!!



a reply to: nonspecific

a reply to: nonspecific

Surely the history of the human race in doing things or taking things that are bad for your personal health is legion. Nothing has changed as long as after you ingest something you don't drop dead immediately. It's not as if said things in small amounts are that deadly, but the constant exposure is a different story. I was around when Thalidomide was all the rage for stopping the morning sickness, it was prescribed willy nilly even when the babies were coming out with some nasty deformities. By the time the medical profession realized, the damage was done. Either way, you look at this it seems to be an ongoing tale that must have the utmost unbiased scrutiny before mass dosings are undertaken. This has not been done again.

a reply to: Blue_Jay33

I agree

many of the human rights and bioethics laws are being sidlined

Article 18 – Decision-making and addressing bioethical issues

1. Professionalism, honesty, integrity and transparency in decision-making should be promoted, in particular declarations of all conflicts of interest and appropriate sharing of knowledge. Every endeavour should be made to use the best available scientific knowledge and methodology in addressing and periodically reviewing bioethical issues.

2. Persons and professionals concerned and society as a whole should be engaged in dialogue on a regular basis.

3. Opportunities for informed pluralistic public debate, seeking the expression of all relevant opinions, should be promoted.

I dont see any of the above taking place over covid

You do realise I was being a tad sarcastic right?



a reply to: ComeFineMe

originally posted by: nonspecific

At what point did we become so distrusting that we believe one over one million?

How much time do we have? Lot of history books out there.
Any way here's a summary of just one single government. And many of the things listed required doctors and scientists involvement.
Worst things U.S government has done to Americans

And that is just ONE supposedly civilised and humane country. It would be foolish to think other, less freedom loving countries out there are not doing the same or worse. If they can do that to their own people, what do you think they're capable of doing when it comes to foreigners?
No doubt even my own country Australia has done #ty things to people we're not aware of and some we are. (free school milk deformities anyone?)

But yes, why would there be distrust with doctors, scientists and politicians, when the history is there before we even get to present day examples?

I mean who created this virus and quite a few others over the years that also have 'leaked' into the world?

Scientists and Doctors yes? And more than just 'one' I reckon.

Speaking of WHO, who said the Wuhan lab had no bats and weren't experimenting on them when they investigated despite an Australian news outlet easily proving the Wuhan Lab did have bats and were experimenting on them?

Why the actual W.H.O of course. I'm guessing Doctors and Scientists were involved there too.

Who told us the Virus was not man made, and didn't come from that Wuhan Lab at the start of all this but now say it did come from there and was man made AFTER many of us not-doctors were saying that was the case from the get go?

Would that not be doctors scientists and politicians?

Which American was on TV and in the news world wide almost daily telling people to mask up, and get vaccinated, telling us around the world we need to do the right thing?

Well that would be DOCTOR Anthony Fauci, who is just some guy that has been linked to funding the research and development of the Covid virus in that particular Chinese Lab. Oh and look he is a Doctor in case you missed it.

Who works in the Wuhan Lab, or any biological lab around the world? McDonald's burger flippers?

Nope, that would be Doctors and Scientists yes?

Who is behind the Vaccines?

Well that would be some of the big pharmaceutical companies who have a history of lying and releasing defective and potentially deadly drugs and other dubious things, that despite that have been allowed to remain in business.

Who keeps doing these lockdowns, telling us to wear masks, to get vaccinated etc. while completely ignoring their own advice and rules?

Well that would be many of the currently serving politicians world wide.

Or a more personal example. I have a perforated ear drum from a swimming accident when I was 18. It got heavily infected. Now out of 11 doctors I saw and trusted because 'experts', how many of them do you think gave me the WRONG treatments that actually made the issues much much worse?

That would be 10 out of the 11 doctors who had no idea what they were doing and never bothered to stop and check their knowledge when their treatments clearly were not working.

Hell about 2 years ago, my ear got infected. I told my current GP that my ear was infected, and painful and it was because I had a perforated eardrum for 20+ years. He looks in my ear and says "You don't have a perforated ear drum, I see no holes"..... despite the ear drum being listed on all my effing records along with me taking antibiotics for it at various times over the years. Only believed me when I held my nose and blew, then could hear the air and fluids escaping from the perforation as it's quite audible. To which he said "oh, it seems you do have a perforation"
He would of gladly written me off as being a 'hypochondriac' and sent me home to suffer.

And that is only one personal experience with doctors over the years who were absolute morons along with times I have been given the wrong medications for what ails me. Many who I often have to suggest tests, treatments and even drugs too because they just shrug when what is wrong with you wasn't covered by what their schooling and email updates have taught them. When they don't know what is wrong with you they just forward you onto a specialist..... specialists who are often borderline senile old farts like Joe Biden. God the stories I could tell you about so called 'specialists'..... I can pick up books, amazingly none of these doctors seem able to any more.

Do I need to go on? Because I can you know. I could write a whole book on the subject matter based on facts and history no embellishment or exaggeration needed.

So to answer your question, maybe you can tell me why I might distrust these doctors, scientists and politicians when it comes to covid and vaccines. Why I would listen to them and do as they say when my own eyeballs and experiences tells a different story to the narrative they're giving, a narrative that changes daily for almost 2 years now?

Look, I do trust some doctors and scientists. But like any human I deal with I take them on a case by case basis and don't put them all into the same basket. I'm not 'anti-vaxx' or 'anti-pharma', have had plenty of vaccines and shots and medication over the years that I trusted. (and many that didn't work as advertised because they all have side effects or just outright don't work for some of us.) Yet still I do not trust the vaccines and those pushing them for what I feel are valid reasons.

I mean just because some cops are good, doesn't mean bad cops do not exist. And well, we've seen plenty of good cops turn a blind eye to bad cops throughout history. We've seen what happens to good cops when they call the bad cops out. Often fired and turned on by their co-workers.

We've seen similar with Covid when it comes to doctors and scientists. Anyone that tries to express a different point of view regarding the 'plannedemic' is censored, mocked and removed from the MSM, and mainstream social media, often with BS 'fact checks' that of course when wrong you have no way to dispute.
Their reputations are put in the shredder or they get discounted because the only place you can see what they have to say is places like Bitchute and others that have reputations for hosting nutters and extremists further discounting them in the average publics eyes.

C'mon mate. History is staring you in the face. If you honestly cannot understand why anyone would be distrustful and overly wary of these people and organizations then their is not a shovel big enough to dig your head out of the sand.

I'm always going to be wary of 'experts' when personal direct experience has shown me first hand they aren't necessarily as smart, infallible or as honest as we make them out to be nor do many actually have our best interests at heart.

tl;dr history shows plenty of evidence of doctors and scientists doing crappy things to people for various reasons.
A white coat does not make you a good person by default.

Hell I have to wonder why people who seem to not question anything and follow all the MSM narratives would even bother to be on the worlds number 1 conspiracy site, where you know, we tend to question everything?

a reply to: AtomicKangaroo

Good rant total agree

a reply to: nonspecific

Yep. Follow #medtwitter or MDs and you get a pretty good idea of the leanings. Pretty eye-opening. And it's far more than the 40-50 you mention earlier too.

originally posted by: HawkEyi
Some doctors could be afraid of losing their jobs if they speak out agaisnt.

Right. Not to mention not getting a heart transplant if they don’t get the jab ... and also they are expected to push it on everyone else.

Drs are repeaters.
You only have to look at what they did to Robert Malone, inventor of the MRNA vaccine, when he spoke out against its use.
Have you heard of Robert Malone and the fact he was cancelled for speaking out ?
Or is that fake news ?
a reply to: chr0naut

Dr Robert Mallone claims he invented mRNA vaccines when in fact what he did was not invent them. He did some good research about 20 years ago that led to the invention of mRNA vaccines but he certainly did not invent them.

He was not shut down he was called out for trying to take credit for the work of many scientists and doctors over the last 20 years while making unsubstantiated claims about the safety of the vaccines.

This is true and can be clearly shown to be the case.



a reply to: OwenTrousers

I don't use Twitter so maybe I'm missing some stuff.

How many would you estimate are speaking out via tweet?



a reply to: GravitySucks