Vaccines Save Estimated 279,000 Lives in USA

originally posted by: tanstaafl

originally posted by: Oldcarpy2
I read that. Whilst some of it is true about cholera etc, his views might be considered a bit....controversial?

The truth - especially when it contradicts establishment religious dogma - is always controversial.

Is it the truth though?

I didn't buy it.

He's got an agenda and a belief that prevents him from knowing the truth. Like quite a few posters on here.

originally posted by: Oldcarpy2
Doctors are clueless?

Doctors are people.

Many people are clueless.

But, I said, Doctors in general are clueless when it comes to treating chronic disease and what it takes to achieve and maintain vital health.

I also said this is changing, and the rate of change is accelerating, apparently.

Not in my experience.

You know better than doctors, do you?
About matters of health, how to treat chronic health conditions? Yes, I know far better than most Doctors in general.

But, not more than those who are now awake and learning about real, natural, vital health.

originally posted by: Oldcarpy2
Is it the truth though?

I didn't buy it.

Are you saying all of the graphs depicting the rates of these diseases, clearly showing that the rates were falling dramatically long before any of the vaccines were introduced are fabricated?

He's got an agenda and a belief that prevents him from knowing the truth. Like quite a few posters on here.

Or...

He's got an agenda based on a belief from long and painstaking examination of the available facts, leading him to what he believes to be the truth. Like quite a few on here.

a reply to: tanstaafl

Doctors tend to be medically qualified.

You think you know far better than doctors in general

My diagnosis? Dunning-Kruger.

As for controversial, Holocaust Deniers are "controversial". So are Flat Earthers. Doesn't make their claims true.

Ah. I see that you are "awake". Zzzzzzz....

Now that is worrying.

How can you possibly be convinced you are more intelligent than someone you know barely anything about?

It has a Dunning–Kruger feel to it and I'm now more than a trifle concerned.....

originally posted by: tanstaafl

originally posted by: nonspecific
I'm a trifle worried that you laugh at people.

I'm a trifle worried that you worry about trifle things.

Trifely speaking.

This can be a sign of an over inflated sense of worth and can blind you to the truth if not rectified.

I agree, you should get that looked at, stat.

Do you consider yourself far better than me? More intelligent as it were?

Yes. Obviously.

originally posted by: tanstaafl

originally posted by: Oldcarpy2
Is it the truth though?

I didn't buy it.

Are you saying all of the graphs depicting the rates of these diseases, clearly showing that the rates were falling dramatically long before any of the vaccines were introduced are fabricated?

He's got an agenda and a belief that prevents him from knowing the truth. Like quite a few posters on here.

Or...

He's got an agenda based on a belief from long and painstaking examination of the available facts, leading him to what he believes to be the truth. Like quite a few on here.

Can you post a link to these graphs, please? Are they in that article? I didn't see any.

Why do you like to use bold underlining so much? A bit patronising, no?

originally posted by: Oldcarpy2
a reply to: tanstaafl

Doctors tend to be medically qualified.

Yes... but that just means they were able to graduate from medical school. It doesn't prove anything with regard to their level of intelligence, or knowledge of natural health.

You think you know far better than doctors in general

In general, about natural health? Yes, I do. But I'll concede there are many doctors who know far more than I about many things.

My diagnosis? Dunning-Kruger.

My sympathies, there are a lot of people suffering from that.

As for controversial, Holocaust Deniers are "controversial". So are Flat Earthers. Doesn't make their claims true.

True. Irrelevant, but true.

Ah. I see that you are "awake". Zzzzzzz....

As I say to my little ones... nite-nite.

Two people both suggest Dunning -Kruger but you know perfectly well they are both totally wrong about that right?

originally posted by: tanstaafl

originally posted by: Oldcarpy2
a reply to: tanstaafl

Doctors tend to be medically qualified.

Yes... but that just means they were able to graduate from medical school. It doesn't prove anything with regard to their level of intelligence, or knowledge of natural health.

You think you know far better than doctors in general

In general, about natural health? Yes, I do. But I'll concede there are many doctors who know far more than I about many things.

My diagnosis? Dunning-Kruger.

My sympathies, there are a lot of people suffering from that.

As for controversial, Holocaust Deniers are "controversial". So are Flat Earthers. Doesn't make their claims true.

True. Irrelevant, but true.

Ah. I see that you are "awake". Zzzzzzz....

As I say to my little ones... nite-nite.

originally posted by: nonspecific
How can you possibly be convinced you are more intelligent than someone you know barely anything about?

I didn't say 'more intelligent', I said I know more.

I've been studying natural health for 30+ years. I've forgottn more than most MDs have ever known.

Oh, and that doesn't even begin to consider just how much bad information is out there.

"It ain't what you know that gets you, it's what you think you know that just ain't so."

originally posted by: Oldcarpy2


Why do you like to use bold underlining so much? A bit patronising, no?

It's called emphasis.

I asked if you thought you were more intelligent than me and you replied yes, obviously.

Go back and look it's only on the previous page?

originally posted by: tanstaafl

originally posted by: nonspecific
How can you possibly be convinced you are more intelligent than someone you know barely anything about?

I didn't say 'more intelligent', I said I know more.

I've been studying natural health for 30+ years. I've forgottn more than most MDs have ever known.

Oh, and that doesn't even begin to consider just how much bad information is out there.

"It ain't what you know that gets you, it's what you think you know that just ain't so."

originally posted by: Oldcarpy2
Can you post a link to these graphs, please? Are they in that article? I didn't see any.

Here's one...

But if you really want to go down a rabbit hole, start searching on the links between DDT/pesticides and polio - oh, and don't forget to include all of the times they changed the meaning/definition of polio in order to manipulate the numbers to their advantage after they introduced the jabs.

originally posted by: tanstaafl

originally posted by: Oldcarpy2


Why do you like to use bold underlining so much? A bit patronising, no?

It's called emphasis.

Or "shouting".

originally posted by: tanstaafl

originally posted by: Oldcarpy2
Can you post a link to these graphs, please? Are they in that article? I didn't see any.

Here's one...

But if you really want to go down a rabbit hole, start searching on the links between DDT/pesticides and polio - oh, and don't forget to include all of the times they changed the meaning/definition of polio in order to manipulate the numbers to their advantage after they introduced the jabs.

Pseudo science.

originally posted by: nonspecific
Two people both suggest Dunning -Kruger but you know perfectly well they are both totally wrong about that right?

Ummm... yes?

Let me get this straight...

You think that just because two rando online people I don't know diagnose me with something without having a single solitary clue about me, or knowingly anything meaningful the topic under discussion, I should ... what, be concerned, or something?

That is really funny!

originally posted by: nonspecific
I asked if you thought you were more intelligent than me and you replied yes, obviously.

Oh, yes, you're right, I am.

originally posted by: Oldcarpy2
originally posted by: tanstaafl
"It's called emphasis."

Or "shouting".

No, THIS IS SHOUTING.

Here's a bit of info from the Authors "about me" section.


. Vaccines were not responsible for the decline in death rates from infectious disease and offer no protection whatsoever.

2. Vaccines are biological poisons, harmful to health, and a contributing factor in childhood illness.

3. Childhood infections eg, measles, chicken pox, whooping cough, etc, all serve
a beneficial purpose, and if correctly treated, will result in an improvement in the child's health.

4. Complications and fatalities associated with childhood infections are due to poor underlying health and/or wrong treatment including suppressive drug therapy.

5. The only immunity against childhood infection is a state of physiological health.

I hold these beliefs not only because of my research into vaccination and natural health, but also because of my experience in raising a child without drugs and vaccines.

Do you agree fully with the above statements?

originally posted by: tanstaafl

originally posted by: Oldcarpy2
Can you post a link to these graphs, please? Are they in that article? I didn't see any.

Here's one...

But if you really want to go down a rabbit hole, start searching on the links between DDT/pesticides and polio - oh, and don't forget to include all of the times they changed the meaning/definition of polio in order to manipulate the numbers to their advantage after they introduced the jabs.

originally posted by: Oldcarpy2
Pseudo science.

Surprise!