Vaccines Save Estimated 279,000 Lives in USA

originally posted by: Bugman82
www.commonwealthfund.org...

A new study shows that approximately 279,000 lives have been saved so far by the vaccines in the USA.

Yeah, except someone just pulled that figure out of their arse.

There is absolutely no way - NONE - that this or any other study could make such a determination.

Overall death rates have also plummeted compared to last year since the vaccine rollout.

They were already well on their way down, because a) they stopped faking the numbers and b) Doctors stopped listening to the murderers in charge at the CDC/WHO and started using effective therapeutics like HCQ and Ivermectin.

I'm confused as to why people are still buying into vaccine fear narratives when they are clearly working so well.

Because we are not falling for the fake/false narrative that it is the vaccines that have 'saved us'.

originally posted by: neutronflux
a reply to: Bugman82

Wasn’t the infection rate already dropping before the vaccine, and despite the “Neanderthals” in Texas removing the mask mandate.

I think the vaccine push is to give credit to something that was already occurring.

Which is their

This is their modus operandi, and precisely what they have done for almost (I think there may be one exception) every other vaccine since vaccines were a thing.

originally posted by: nonspecific
What will you do if that new doctor says the same thing, leave and find another?

If I even went to doctors, yes.

But, I don't go to Doctors for general health issues.

Our medical technology is amazing when it comes to saving trauma treatment, and there's nowehere I'd rather be if I'm in an accident than a modern trauma center.

But Doctors in general are clueless when it comes to treating chronic disease and what it takes to achieve and maintain vital health - although this is changing, and the rate of change is accelerating, apparently.

originally posted by: discordantone
I am just waiting to see how they explain a rise in cases come the autumn and flu season.

I mean, all the vaccinations should make that virtually impossible, shouldn't it? Or will they stop/reduce testing again

What I find totally hilarious (and perplexing) is that someone can believe something like this, even after the people pushing the jabs themselves tell you right up front that they don't prevent you from getting or spreading it.

originally posted by: Oldcarpy2
I suppose you also have no clue how many lives were saved by the smallpox vaccine either.

That is a perfect example of the lies they use to rupport their fals/fake claims that vaccines saved the day.

Smallpox, like many other diseases for which vaccines are falsely claimed to be responsible for eradicating, was actually eradicated by the introduction of plumbing and better sanitation practices, as described here.

Absolutely sick of the ignorance on here.

You and me both.

originally posted by: nonspecific

So it could be a lot more then, like 500,000 even a whooping 1,000,000!

Today just gets better and better doesn't it

Or it could be zero.

Just prove one. Find one person and establish in a court of law, beyond a reasonable doubt, that this person would have died of Covid if they had not gotten a Covid vaccine.

originally posted by: discordantone
a reply to: Oldcarpy2
Are we reducing hospitalizations? Or was it infections? Or was it ICU admissions? No wait, it was to get back to normal. But, then we are told that we need to keep masked and distanced because even vaccinated we can contract and spread the bug. Never mind the fact that a majority of cases were asymptomatic so there are a LOT of people (estimates between 40-70%) who had it but didn't know already have immunity.

The cognitive dissonance is... deafening.

"Get the vaxx so you can be protected and we can all get back to normal! But, be aware that even after you are fully vaxxed, you can still contract and/or spread the virus."

"Wait, be afraid of anyone who is not vaxxed, and do everything possible to scare or shame them into getting vaxxed so that you can be protected, because until everyone is vaxxed, we are all at risk!"

"Wait, even after we are all vaxxed, we must all continue to be frightened and mask and socially distance because we can all still contract and/or spread the virus! Oh, and FEAR-PORN-IS-GOOD!"

That's quite interesting.

So do you self diagnose and then get the regular treatment or do you take a more holistic approach to wellness and prefer the crystals and energy healing type of thing?

originally posted by: tanstaafl

originally posted by: nonspecific
What will you do if that new doctor says the same thing, leave and find another?

If I even went to doctors, yes.

But, I don't go to Doctors for general health issues.

Our medical technology is amazing when it comes to saving trauma treatment, and there's nowehere I'd rather be if I'm in an accident than a modern trauma center.

But Doctors in general are clueless when it comes to treating chronic disease and what it takes to achieve and maintain vital health - although this is changing, and the rate of change is accelerating, apparently.

Might as well say 1 million lives saved.

Welcome to COVID, where the points don't matter and everything is made up.

Yeah,
The only thing “clear” is your allegiance to information you’ve deemed reliable because it makes you feel comfortable

You’re confused alright

a reply to: Bugman82

Yeah I was being somewhat sarcastic. Sorry if that did not come across.

I'm sure those who don't buy into the vaccines will say it's a load of tosh and I'm sure those doing the numbers will need them up a bit but I'd say if you were to look at history and other vacination programs there's going to be evidence to show the benefits.

In a few years we can all come back here and re read and see who was eight and when was wrong.

Until then it's just guesswork and low grade insults from both sides like all CT discussions.

originally posted by: VictorVonDoom

originally posted by: nonspecific

So it could be a lot more then, like 500,000 even a whooping 1,000,000!

Today just gets better and better doesn't it

Or it could be zero.

Just prove one. Find one person and establish in a court of law, beyond a reasonable doubt, that this person would have died of Covid if they had not gotten a Covid vaccine.

originally posted by: nonspecific
So do you self diagnose and then get the regular treatment or do you take a more holistic approach to wellness and prefer the crystals and energy healing type of thing?

I do take a more holistic approach, but your ridiculous attempt to vilify anything that doesn't come from a medical doctor as 'crystals and energy healing' is typical of a state-religious fanatic.

Nutrition is the best medicine, then comes intelligent application of mega-nutrition therapy and non-allopathic treatments - like high-dose IV vitamin C, ozone therapy, etc etc - and yes, there are some energy based treatments/therapies that can work near miracles.

a reply to: Bugman82

That appears to be a reprint of some pharma advertising brochure.

You really are quite angry?

You literally spit venom with each post and that's not really healthy is it?

Wouldn't you like to be able to have a discussion without all this pent up rage that obviously sits inside you and be able to just talk without forever slipping in snidey barbs?

I'd take a sit back and relax, be happy and calm when you write a reply and you'll find people far more interesting to talk to

originally posted by: tanstaafl

originally posted by: nonspecific
So do you self diagnose and then get the regular treatment or do you take a more holistic approach to wellness and prefer the crystals and energy healing type of thing?

I do take a more holistic approach, but your ridiculous attempt to vilify anything that doesn't come from a medical doctor as 'crystals and energy healing' is typical of a state-religious fanatic.

Nutrition is the best medicine, then comes intelligent application of mega-nutrition therapy and non-allopathic treatments - like high-dose IV vitamin C, ozone therapy, etc etc - and yes, there are some energy based treatments/therapies that can work near miracles.

originally posted by: tanstaafl

originally posted by: Oldcarpy2
I suppose you also have no clue how many lives were saved by the smallpox vaccine either.

That is a perfect example of the lies they use to rupport their fals/fake claims that vaccines saved the day.

Smallpox, like many other diseases for which vaccines are falsely claimed to be responsible for eradicating, was actually eradicated by the introduction of plumbing and better sanitation practices, as described here.

Absolutely sick of the ignorance on here.

You and me both.

I read that. Whilst some of it is true about cholera etc, his views might be considered a bit....controversial?

originally posted by: nonspecific
You really are quite angry?

Not at all, I laugh at people like you all the time...

You literally spit venom with each post and that's not really healthy is it?

Since I don't spit venom, I have no clue what you're talking about.

Wouldn't you like to be able to have a discussion without all this pent up rage that obviously sits inside you and be able to just talk without forever slipping in snidey barbs?

I'm happy to discuss things, but that is impossible to do with someone who is incapable of rational, independent thought.

I'd take a sit back and relax, be happy and calm when you write a reply and you'll find people far more interesting to talk to

I'm an extremely happy person, precisely because I don't care about convincing someone else when they are obviously wrong, I simply point it out, and laugh at their reactions.

I'm a trifle worried that you laugh at people.

This can be a sign of an over inflated sense of worth and can blind you to the truth if not rectified.

Do you consider yourself far better than me? More intelligent as it were?

originally posted by: tanstaafl

originally posted by: nonspecific
You really are quite angry?

Not at all, I laugh at people like you all the time...

You literally spit venom with each post and that's not really healthy is it?

Since I don't spit venom, I have no clue what you're talking about.

Wouldn't you like to be able to have a discussion without all this pent up rage that obviously sits inside you and be able to just talk without forever slipping in snidey barbs?

I'm happy to discuss things, but that is impossible to do with someone who is incapable of rational, independent thought.

I'd take a sit back and relax, be happy and calm when you write a reply and you'll find people far more interesting to talk to

I'm an extremely happy person, precisely because I don't care about convincing someone else when they are obviously wrong, I simply point it out, and laugh at their reactions.

originally posted by: Oldcarpy2
I read that. Whilst some of it is true about cholera etc, his views might be considered a bit....controversial?

The truth - especially when it contradicts establishment religious dogma - is always controversial.

originally posted by: tanstaafl

originally posted by: nonspecific
What will you do if that new doctor says the same thing, leave and find another?

If I even went to doctors, yes.

But, I don't go to Doctors for general health issues.

Our medical technology is amazing when it comes to saving trauma treatment, and there's nowehere I'd rather be if I'm in an accident than a modern trauma center.

But Doctors in general are clueless when it comes to treating chronic disease and what it takes to achieve and maintain vital health - although this is changing, and the rate of change is accelerating, apparently.

Doctors are clueless? Not in my experience.

You know better than doctors, do you?

originally posted by: nonspecific
I'm a trifle worried that you laugh at people.

I'm a trifle worried that you worry about trifle things.

Trifely speaking.

This can be a sign of an over inflated sense of worth and can blind you to the truth if not rectified.

I agree, you should get that looked at, stat.

Do you consider yourself far better than me? More intelligent as it were?

Yes. Obviously.