Finally! Forensic Election Audit in Maricopa County (AZ) Begins Next Week

originally posted by: Guiltyguitarist
a reply to: Boadicea

I agree with everything you said. But....if Arizona proves Trump won that state and it ends there, Biden and the dems lose all confidence and respect. They may occupy the capitol building but that’s about it.

THAT is what has the "expert pundits" on MSNBC and CNN so concerned. They know Joe Biden is weak and faltering more every week. The last thing they want is for evidence to become widely known that Joe really didn't win the state of ____________________. (Any state will do)

originally posted by: Boadicea

originally posted by: xuenchen
But what if the routers are being tampered with ??? (or already have been ?)

🚨😮🚨

It would not surprise me in the least if the routers were absolutely blank when/if they are finally turned over.

Strategically speaking, if that happens, I'm assuming the penalties for such are not as severe as what crimes would be found otherwise.

Can't convict without proof.

Destruction of electronic or physical election materials is forbidden within 2 years of a given election.

originally posted by: TrulyColorBlind

originally posted by: Annee

originally posted by: Byrd

originally posted by: Boadicea
a reply to: Annee

Fact... because it is possible... but -- obviously -- arguable.

First, the Feds would have to establish Constitutional supremacy over each State's legislative bodies to set policy and procedure for elections..

And you might want to stop and consider this point.

We elected a President -- in charge of the Federal government. That's what the Federal government role is here and since the election is for a Federal office (not state) the Feds do have the constitutional supremacy here. States have to set things up within Federal guidelines (in other words, the governor of the state can't simply appoint people.)

It seemed pretty clear to me.

I’m trying to stay with legal process.

Not “feelz” — slinging Right/Left barbs.

Being a resident of AZ I know it’s 1/3, 1/3, 1/3, with Independents swinging the vote. And there was a massive “Blue” push campaign resulting in a significant increase of Native/Latino votes. Plus, as you said, many just wanted Trump gone.

Because of this, I think the election was/is legit.

It concerns me that they’re determined to find something, even if nothings there.

Of course they're trying to find something. It's called "The Truth." But your friends the Democrats keep trying to block every move that's made to find the truth seven ways from Sunday.

And the Reps would be doing exactly the same if reversed.

originally posted by: Annee

And the Reps would be doing exactly the same if reversed.

It seems the last time this happened the Republicans won and all was looked at with massive recounts, do you remember 2000 elections lol... Also, I fail to remember the massive riots and 8 years of "he is not my president" with Obama.

So no the right is not like the left no matter how bad the left wants to say...Well they do the same thing.

originally posted by: Halfswede

originally posted by: Chadwickus
a reply to: MetalThunder

Interesting.

Strengthens my belief that the right and left are different sides of the same coin.

While the leadership may be filled with scoundrels, the right and the left are very different when it comes to the people on the ground.

Forget the titles and labels, but there are two distinct sides here. It's people who want to return to traditional values, morals, and decency. It's people who reject the atheism, celebration of dysfunction, and tearing down of tradition brought in by the specter of communism, socialism, progressivism etc.

And it's those who want the opposite. They celebrate dysfunction, mock and reject the divine. They say girl is boy, personal responsibility is cruelty, want to censor those that disagree with them etc. It's black and white and there is no middle ground. Just be clear on which path leads to good vs which path is celebrating evil.

That’s petty twisted.

I go to both Dem & Rep meetings in my town.

I’m not particularly Left except for equal rights and women’s rights. I support independent responsibility.

However, the Rep group I go to tends to be polite, but self righteous. The Dem group is more like family, asking how are you doing, how’s your family, etc.

I am atheist and definitely not a Traditionalist. At 74 years of age I have watched society evolve. Today it is more honest.

HOWEVER — we should get back on track:

Finally! Forensic Election Audit in Maricopa County (AZ) Begins Next Week

I try to self moderate my own thread drift.

a reply to: Halfswede

You could say there is a middle ground, but they are what allowed the corruption in the first place. Again, I made no distinction between political parties, but the left and right are generally filled with very different ratios of the people mentioned above.

I very strongly disagree. I would agree that the extremists on both sides have gotten more and more extreme, but it's not the "middle" that let the corruption continue... the corruption has been cheered on both extremes and the "middle" has been drowned out, ignored, mocked and kicked to the curb. All with the blessing and cooperation of Big Media.

And here in Arizona, I can pretty much guarantee you that the right is not the driving force among the people for the audit. The right has been saying stupid things like "this is a waste of time," and "all the evidence has already been destroyed," and "no one is stupid enough to not cover their tracks," and otherwise discouraging and demoralizing the audit. Pretty much exactly what the national Pubs are saying as well.

When the whole truth is known, I have no doubt that the Pubs will be just as guilty as the Dems in whatever is found.

I posted an article a couple days ago which stated 23,000 registered Republicans have switched their party registration in AZ since January... they didn't switch to Dem. They switched to Independent. That was a big FU to the Republicans who refused to fight for our election integrity.

The biggest contributors to this mess are those who live in their partisan bubbles and echo chambers, spewing the babble of the day, cheering on whatever nastiness their party spews. Maybe that's why Arizona is the one getting the job done. (That, and we don't drink the water!)

No fear. No excuses. Not here. Not now.

originally posted by: Annee

originally posted by: TrulyColorBlind

originally posted by: Annee

originally posted by: Byrd

originally posted by: Boadicea
a reply to: Annee

Fact... because it is possible... but -- obviously -- arguable.

First, the Feds would have to establish Constitutional supremacy over each State's legislative bodies to set policy and procedure for elections..

And you might want to stop and consider this point.

We elected a President -- in charge of the Federal government. That's what the Federal government role is here and since the election is for a Federal office (not state) the Feds do have the constitutional supremacy here. States have to set things up within Federal guidelines (in other words, the governor of the state can't simply appoint people.)

It seemed pretty clear to me.

I’m trying to stay with legal process.

Not “feelz” — slinging Right/Left barbs.

Being a resident of AZ I know it’s 1/3, 1/3, 1/3, with Independents swinging the vote. And there was a massive “Blue” push campaign resulting in a significant increase of Native/Latino votes. Plus, as you said, many just wanted Trump gone.

Because of this, I think the election was/is legit.

It concerns me that they’re determined to find something, even if nothings there.

Of course they're trying to find something. It's called "The Truth." But your friends the Democrats keep trying to block every move that's made to find the truth seven ways from Sunday.

And the Reps would be doing exactly the same if reversed.

You keep saying that. Every article I find looks like this...

An IOWA Democrat wanting a Nov2020 election result overturned, after a Republican was certified the winner.

www.npr.org...

Republicans calmly responded by saying the burden is on the Democrat to prove she won. They didn't stand in her way.

Can't find any instances of Republicans attempting to derail, block, or taint a Democrat-led election audit.

a reply to: carewemust

Destruction of electronic or physical election materials is forbidden within 2 years of a given election.

Keeping in mind that any charge would have to be proven with genuine evidence...

I wonder how simple "destruction" penalities would compare to actual altering the election data and materials? I've done real quick searches, but didn't find anything to tell me.

I would expect that a "destruction" charge would be somewhat neutral in nature. In other words, no malice necessary, but simply an "honest" mistake. As opposed to the deliberate act of altering such data or materials. But I don't know.

a reply to: Annee

And the Reps would be doing exactly the same if reversed.

No "if" is even necessary.

The Republicans on the Maricopa County Board of Supervisors has in fact and in deed done the same. At least in terms of trying to prevent this audit from even taking place.

It's still the Republicans on the BoS that is withholding the routers and passwords. They're in this up to their beady little eyeballs.

originally posted by: Boadicea

originally posted by: carewemust
a reply to: Boadicea

It's too bad we're not getting updates on what is being found..or not found.

I wish we were getting some kind of updates as well. I know Dr Ward has her updates every day, but those are very much geared to her own politics -- AZ Republicans. And that's all fine and well, but I'd like something more matter-of-fact and practical. How many ballots have they completed today? How far is each process along the way? What processes need to be completed before another process begins?

I kinda sorta understand not giving us specific numbers or findings, etc. until everything is complete, and all evidence can be presented in its entirety and in context -- for better or worse (I suspect both!). But I don't like it. Not one bit!

What if a judge comes forth tomorrow and orders the end results of the audit to be sealed, pending a multi-month hearing to determine....something?

I worry about this every day. I secretly hope (you won't tell anyone, right?) that if it does happen -- or something similar -- and if there was fraud found, that someone bites the bullet and spills it all. But I won't hold my breath.

Weekly updates would head-off several potential problems after the audit is finished.

Unfortunately, weekly updates could also create several problems. We're stuck between a rock and a hard place. The guilty -- however many and to whatever extent they are guilty of something -- are going to work equally hard (of not harder!) to protect themselves, and to taint or twist or spin or compromise any information that does come out. It also gives folks ("folks" like the Thief-in-Chief's ultra awesome Election Fraud team) the time and opportunity to hide corroborating evidence, or get to the witnesses, or destroy evidence... Forewarned is forearmed.

We know that whatever fraud/interference/tampering is found, folks are already preparing to fight it, no matter when it's released. Maybe one big bombshell at the end is the way to go. Too much for them to take on all at once. At this point, we better hope so!

So much is at stake, I can sense a "gag order" coming from one of the corrupt judges.

The audit team needs to give incremental updates on what was found/not found....starting ASAP.

The audit company and supporters must remember who and what their opposition is, and begin acting appropriately.

The party that cheated is now in control of the DOJ, and most Judges.

Donald Trump underestimated their treachery for 4 years.

Arizona Republicans MUST NOT make that same mistake.

a reply to: Boadicea

We already know that any evidence using "odds" or "likelyhood" won't work in the current corrupt environment.

Audit Team: "It's 99.9% certain the routers wouldn't wipe themselves."

Corrupted Judge: "Still, you have that .1% chance. Argument dismissed!"

originally posted by: Boadicea
a reply to: Annee

And the Reps would be doing exactly the same if reversed.

No "if" is even necessary.

The Republicans on the Maricopa County Board of Supervisors has in fact and in deed done the same. At least in terms of trying to prevent this audit from even taking place.

It's still the Republicans on the BoS that is withholding the routers and passwords. They're in this up to their beady little eyeballs.

Thanks.

I love you keeping it honest

originally posted by: Annee

I am atheist and definitely not a Traditionalist. At 74 years of age I have watched society evolve. Today it is more honest.

I'm not sure what honest means here...lol

Social media has provided front stage to extremism, that there is your so called honesty. I would bet coming from a small town you don't have extremism from either side running the show, and so it is somewhat normal to your observation. As to religion, outside of the Evangelist group of churches that run about 60% Republican it is pretty close to a 50/50 split with mainstream Christian churches. The rest is heavily liberal, so in the end 37% of religious people are republicans and 44% are Democrat...go figure...lol

originally posted by: Boadicea

It's still the Republicans on the BoS that is withholding the routers and passwords. They're in this up to their beady little eyeballs.

So why would they do that is the question...

originally posted by: Xtrozero

originally posted by: Boadicea

It's still the Republicans on the BoS that is withholding the routers and passwords. They're in this up to their beady little eyeballs.

So why would they do that is the question...

A good guess. They are telling the truth. They are incompetent and don't have all the passwords. Dominion and hackers have more control over the voting machines than those running the elections.

originally posted by: Annee

originally posted by: TrulyColorBlind

originally posted by: Annee

originally posted by: Byrd

originally posted by: Boadicea
a reply to: Annee

Fact... because it is possible... but -- obviously -- arguable.

First, the Feds would have to establish Constitutional supremacy over each State's legislative bodies to set policy and procedure for elections..

And you might want to stop and consider this point.

We elected a President -- in charge of the Federal government. That's what the Federal government role is here and since the election is for a Federal office (not state) the Feds do have the constitutional supremacy here. States have to set things up within Federal guidelines (in other words, the governor of the state can't simply appoint people.)

It seemed pretty clear to me.

I’m trying to stay with legal process.

Not “feelz” — slinging Right/Left barbs.

Being a resident of AZ I know it’s 1/3, 1/3, 1/3, with Independents swinging the vote. And there was a massive “Blue” push campaign resulting in a significant increase of Native/Latino votes. Plus, as you said, many just wanted Trump gone.

Because of this, I think the election was/is legit.

It concerns me that they’re determined to find something, even if nothings there.

Of course they're trying to find something. It's called "The Truth." But your friends the Democrats keep trying to block every move that's made to find the truth seven ways from Sunday.

And the Reps would be doing exactly the same if reversed.

You keep saying the same thing, but you must realize it is the Maricopa Co. republicans that resisted this. People keep telling you it isn't a Dem/Pub thing, and you keep burying your head in the sand shouting through your snorkel.

There are those on both sides who want to hide the truth and any attempt to get at the truth and there are those who want the truth. There are no other players worth talking about. You have made your side clear -- obstruction is normal and should be accepted.

originally posted by: Doctor Smith

A good guess. They are telling the truth. They are incompetent and don't have all the passwords. Dominion and hackers have more control over the voting machines than those running the elections.

I can think of a few things here...

1. Like you said totally incompetent, and so are trying to hide their mistakes.
2. Are Rhinos and actually wanted Biden to win and helped do it.
3. Are corrupt and like incompetent want to hide what they did.
4. Have no clue and were never really in control at any point of the machines.

originally posted by: Halfswede

originally posted by: Annee

originally posted by: TrulyColorBlind

originally posted by: Annee

originally posted by: Byrd

originally posted by: Boadicea
a reply to: Annee

Fact... because it is possible... but -- obviously -- arguable.

First, the Feds would have to establish Constitutional supremacy over each State's legislative bodies to set policy and procedure for elections..

And you might want to stop and consider this point.

We elected a President -- in charge of the Federal government. That's what the Federal government role is here and since the election is for a Federal office (not state) the Feds do have the constitutional supremacy here. States have to set things up within Federal guidelines (in other words, the governor of the state can't simply appoint people.)

It seemed pretty clear to me.

I’m trying to stay with legal process.

Not “feelz” — slinging Right/Left barbs.

Being a resident of AZ I know it’s 1/3, 1/3, 1/3, with Independents swinging the vote. And there was a massive “Blue” push campaign resulting in a significant increase of Native/Latino votes. Plus, as you said, many just wanted Trump gone.

Because of this, I think the election was/is legit.

It concerns me that they’re determined to find something, even if nothings there.

Of course they're trying to find something. It's called "The Truth." But your friends the Democrats keep trying to block every move that's made to find the truth seven ways from Sunday.

And the Reps would be doing exactly the same if reversed.

You keep saying the same thing, but you must realize it is the Maricopa Co. republicans that resisted this. People keep telling you it isn't a Dem/Pub thing, and you keep burying your head in the sand shouting through your snorkel.

Yeah if the Republicans were just as crooked and changed the rules of absent voters at the last minute. Trump was fighting that. It would have never happened if it weren't for the crooked Democrats. It's a good thing though as now we know just how corrupted the voting process has become world wide?

originally posted by: Xtrozero

originally posted by: Annee

I am atheist and definitely not a Traditionalist. At 74 years of age I have watched society evolve. Today it is more honest.

I'm not sure what honest means here...lol

Social media has provided front stage to extremism, that there is your so called honesty. I would bet coming from a small town you don't have extremism from either side running the show, and so it is somewhat normal to your observation. As to religion, outside of the Evangelist group of churches that run about 60% Republican it is pretty close to a 50/50 split with mainstream Christian churches. The rest is heavily liberal, so in the end 37% of religious people are republicans and 44% are Democrat...go figure...lol

I’m old enough to remember gender roles and unequal laws.

I’m old enough to remember public school Christmas pageants with no consideration for non-Christians.

We lived a lie.

Transitions are messy, but I prefer the openness and honesty of today.

DONE — this is not on topic.

originally posted by: Annee

originally posted by: Xtrozero

originally posted by: Annee

I am atheist and definitely not a Traditionalist. At 74 years of age I have watched society evolve. Today it is more honest.

I'm not sure what honest means here...lol

Social media has provided front stage to extremism, that there is your so called honesty. I would bet coming from a small town you don't have extremism from either side running the show, and so it is somewhat normal to your observation. As to religion, outside of the Evangelist group of churches that run about 60% Republican it is pretty close to a 50/50 split with mainstream Christian churches. The rest is heavily liberal, so in the end 37% of religious people are republicans and 44% are Democrat...go figure...lol

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I’m old enough to remember public school Christmas pageants with no consideration for non-Christians.

...

This is the fundamental flaw with your type. If a single person is offended or slighted in some way, nobody gets cake. It will be the legacy of your dysfunctional idea of fairness thrust upon the people by force.