Are Deniers Protesters willing to give up their Medical care if they get Covid?

originally posted by: seagull
a reply to: bender151

Indeed, your right to survival stops where mine begins. You don't like it? I don't care.

You take your precautions, I'll take mine. Mine don't include cowering behind closed doors, and getting sick when you decide to come outside eventually.

I'll take my chances with it. I'll wash my hands and take sensible precautions, but that's as far as I'm willing to go.

I'm most certainly not going to trust the govt. to know what's best for me. That's my job.

Indeed.

That's it, in a nutshell.

Thank You

originally posted by: vonclod

No argument, those are pretty much the facts as we currently understand this. I just think many might not be as healthy as they think.

What I don't think people understand is we are not trying to prevent deaths from the virus as much as delay deaths. The really bad scenario is our heath system gets over run and people die that would not have died if our health system could take care of them. This whole thing was about delaying the onslaught to give our health system a chance to stay ahead. If you are in a very bad way you have a higher chance of dying and even that chance is still small overall, but a good deal higher than a healthy person. Unless a person can isolate for 18 months or maybe even longer they will get it at some point just like there isn't a person in America who has not gotten the cold or flu ten times over.

I'm not really sure what people want when they argue to shut down for some extended period of time. There will always be a what then scenario as the virus is loose once again.

a reply to: JAGStorm
Jag, I owe you an apology. You said...

By the way in 08 I did lose everything. So I can tell you honestly I did not take the easy way. I used my savings, I sold my home, I did not rely on fellow taxpayers at all.

Then I said...(thinking you meant you had plenty from your savings and house sale to get you by)

Obviously you did not lose everything or you wouldn't have had a savings to fall back on or a house to sell.

You replied...(Reiterating with more clarity that you lost everything when all was said and done)

Yes I did lose all my savings and house staying afloat...

Then you added...

Now you are saying well I didn't suffer enough in your eyes...(thinking I was just being an asshat)

I said...(for which I apologize.)

I neither said nor hinted at such Jag. Read what I wrote, not what you think I meant. I have nothing against you personally. This is a friendly debate. Lets keep it that way.

I understand now where we went off the rails, and why you made your last statement. Sometimes I hate trying to have a discussion or debate on a forum. It's too easy to misunderstand a sentence or part of a sentence and it's like the domino effect from there. Frustrating!

originally posted by: JAGStorm

I think if you truly believe your state/area should be opened at ALL costs, you should start with yourself and family first.
Make a pledge that when you get it, IF the hospitals are overwhelmed you'll take the back seat to those that were either essential workers or
practiced safer at home.

I have a sneaking suspicion, when that happens, they will also be the first ones complaining about the lack of care.

I'll make that pledge. You got it! Essential workers take first priority...no problem. And I guarantee you I won't be complaining about lack of care.

Basically, I'd rather live while I'm alive, not sit around in isolation being afraid. I'm not good at the latter...

Thanks,
blend

a reply to: chiefsmom

My husband has early emphysema.....smoker since he was 14 and that was a few years back

I stay home for him. I figure, my seizures and middle age has kept me from working in the field I had for 30 years...so why not? We both have gotten fat from my cooking and baking....and yes, I started to bake bread....non-yeast, of course....because yeast is hard to find, as is flour (though a friend from TX shipped me some....)….anyhow, I digress as usual....
Were I not married, I would probably go out more, cautiously...but I would go to the store instead of using delivery.....go see my new grandbaby who is less than 30 miles away......I worked in medicine for 30 years....was a trained surgical technologist and know a thing or two about keeping microbes off myself and from spreading microbes to others....we bought our masks in January, when cases started really taking off in China...my husband initially laughed at me when I told him we should buy a few things...…
I am over age 50 and am NOT willing to give up my freedom for "safety"....but, I love my husband and would NEVER EVER forgive myself (and would never recover from) if my husband got seriously ill because I believe in what I was taught growing up: that I was free in America and had certain rights that could not be taken from me...….and decided to go out into the world.
All that being stated (even in my meandering way)…...I think it shows al LOT about a person when they state "F them! They should not get healthcare....." or that these people fighting for their rights are somehow "stupid"....that people who REALLY fear insolvency...not being able to pay their bills and losing EVERYTHING.....are somehow being "selfish"......we are all in this existence together....if you want to stay home: STAY HOME.....flu has no immunity...the vaccine hardly works (in spite of the media stating it does) and every year the virus changes....I suspect this will be the same for COVID....and or it will go the way of the Spanish Flu....kill a bunch of us....and then "disappear".
I have been a member of this "board" for a long time...a lurker since the beginning.....I have seen a lot of bashing on ATS...I even stopped coming here for a long time as a result of it....but this virus and the resulting disaster is REAL....EVERYONE has a right to live their lives....people staying home are not stepping on the feet of those that want to go out and vice versa.....the hospitals seem, thus far, to be handling it.....NYC being the worst case scenario so far......but, if I were to go out and ignore the steps I could take to prevent myself catching this virus, I would NOT be the "first one screaming for treatment"......I would, however, DESERVE to be treated like every other human and NOT be left out in the street to die because some people thought I "deserved: it....what an ugly world we live in when I read crap like that.....

Quite a selfless post made of compassion! We know who holds the high ground now.

a reply to: JAGStorm

a reply to: Cornczech
And you and your husband are the people that should be staying home, I would support 100%, and help you in anyway I possibly could. The following is not directed at you hon, just a general statement.


My issues with this whole thing:
A) People know we are NOT getting the accurate "death" numbers, caused by this virus. I know we are not here in MI. I know what the ME's are being TOLD to write down. And this is going on in other states. You can read it online.
B) The media is completely and utterly lying to us. They are actively promoting fear. Again, a few minutes online will show you that.
C) Why are people being pitted against each other? Why is the media ENCORAGING calling protesters morons, and other names? If you don't agree, that is fine. I don't feel that the people protesting Trump right now, with the fake body bags, understand what is wrong with what they are doing. But hey, they are doing something. (Funny that they are standing outside protesting, but that is another matter)
D) Some of our Governors are lying to us, and getting a bit too power hungry. I live in a state with one of those.

In the end, I am going to do what is best for me, what I believe is my right to do. If because I do that, YOU (anyone) feel that I am endanger you, your wrong. I'm not out licking your door knob, or the carts at walmart. You can still wear a mask and gloves when YOU go out, correct?
Name calling and wishing people dead?
What is wrong with you? I would say you need a time out, but.... obviously that isn't helping.

originally posted by: Zrtst
I just really hate virtue signaling

I really enjoy irony.

a reply to: Klassified

Jag, I owe you an apology. You said...

apology accepted

It's easy to misunderstand things online.

I am in Texas. We are practicing Stay at home. If you need to be out and about however, or have a 2nd property or whatever, no one is stopping us. We can go if we want to. Is it not that way in other states? Are they actually pulling people over and ordering you back home?

a reply to: Boadicea

If everything were done voluntarily, I'd bet the same exact people would still be observing the social distancing and isolation "rules" for the good of everyone... and the same stupid people would be doing the same stupid things they are now.

I think people are followers

a reply to: Nyiah

If you're feeling like the betting type today, why not just bet the deed on a drastic spike in protester/quarantine scoffer deaths by May 1st if you're so sure of yourself? Whereas I'll bet the opposite -- no spike by the 1st.

One of us will be right. The other will have to contend with being wrong.

You're on.

But check this out first
www.abovetopsecret.com...

We are still early enough in this Pandemic to make some predictions here.
I'll be honest. I think this is going to hit the US pretty bad. I think we are going to see a lot of deaths.
There is going to be a ripple of shock and disbelief. I have a feeling Florida is going to get hit bad.
I think people will blame Trump.
What worries me is that there's a little over 120,000 cases WORLDWIDE, but the

Cases worldwide vs above:
www.worldometers.info...

originally posted by: JAGStorm
a reply to: Nyiah

If you're feeling like the betting type today, why not just bet the deed on a drastic spike in protester/quarantine scoffer deaths by May 1st if you're so sure of yourself? Whereas I'll bet the opposite -- no spike by the 1st.

One of us will be right. The other will have to contend with being wrong.

You're on.

But check this out first
www.abovetopsecret.com...

Ok. And?

We are still early enough in this Pandemic to make some predictions here.
I'll be honest. I think this is going to hit the US pretty bad. I think we are going to see a lot of deaths.
There is going to be a ripple of shock and disbelief. I have a feeling Florida is going to get hit bad.
I think people will blame Trump.
What worries me is that there's a little over 120,000 cases WORLDWIDE, but the

Cases worldwide vs above:
www.worldometers.info...

I don't care about worldwide, and the mention of protesters and quarantine scoffers should have clearly indicated I mean the US and only the US.

a reply to: Nyiah

I don't care about worldwide, and the mention of protesters and quarantine scoffers should have clearly indicated I mean the US and only the US.

I know, but what I'm pointing out is at that time I think the US had ZERO cases, or it was just starting in Seattle.

If they want to go back to work make them sign a waver to no medical treatment. I'm making sacrifices for my own safety and the greater good my community. It is my civic duty to the doctors nurses and the people around me not to get infected and spread it around. I can always rebuild my life. It wouldn't be the first time. I know 4 people that have died.

originally posted by: wantsome
If they want to go back to work make them sign a waver to no medical treatment. I'm making sacrifices for my own safety and the greater good my community. It is my civic duty to the doctors nurses and the people around me not to get infected and spread it around. I can always rebuild my life. It wouldn't be the first time. I know 4 people that have died.

Well said.

I know four people also that have lost their lives. All four were under 50

a reply to: JAGStorm

I think people are followers...

Well, too many are, obviously.

The biggest problem with that is who and what they are following. Garbage in and garbage out.

a reply to: wantsome

Wrong answer.

a reply to: Nyiah

If you're feeling like the betting type today, why not just bet the deed on a drastic spike in protester/quarantine scoffer deaths by May 1st if you're so sure of yourself? Whereas I'll bet the opposite -- no spike by the 1st.

I wrote a post the beginning of March after one of the attendees at CPAC was confirmed to have Covid... my thought then was that it was the perfect petri dish for learning about the virus.

Why aren't we hearing about all the conservatives dying of Covid? Or even being sick with Covid? Or being sick at all??? Did no one catch this oh-so-contagious virus at CPAC?

Something ain't right.

originally posted by: JAGStorm

originally posted by: wantsome
If they want to go back to work make them sign a waver to no medical treatment. I'm making sacrifices for my own safety and the greater good my community. It is my civic duty to the doctors nurses and the people around me not to get infected and spread it around. I can always rebuild my life. It wouldn't be the first time. I know 4 people that have died.

Well said.

I know four people also that have lost their lives. All four were under 50

I'm in Michigan I've left the house 4 times since the beginning of March. I went out for the first time in over a week. It looked like people were celebrating Christmas outside. Neighbors mingling gas stations full of people. 80% of which wearing no gloves or masks. I won't even visit relatives. My house is on lock down. I'm 2 blocks north of Detroit. The chief of police and 60 officers are sick. Cases here are on a downward trend here but there is still a substantial threat. I'm stocked for another 2 months on food. The oldest person I know what died was 43. The other 3 were all under 40.