Corona Virus Updates Part 6

a reply to: alphabetaone

How could hospitalizations have not increased since April 19th?

And not a single person has recovered since April 12th???

originally posted by: Observationalist

originally posted by: Byrd
In order to kill viruses/microorganisms in the air, you need a minimum of 15 minutes to an hour exposure at low doses.

Someone tried it while standing in the room

The sunburn lasted for quite awhile.

If you bring people into a sterile room, it becomes non-sterile. You have to sterilize the humans and their clothing (as in an operating room.)

Here is another study to consider. It’s by Colombia University on a safe use of UV light to prevent the spread of viruses
Using the Power of Light: Preventing the Airborne Spread of Coronavirus and Influenza Virus

(sigh) Yes. Did you read the paper?

Allow me to quote from the paper-- bolding is mine...

We’ve shown that this light can kill influenza viruses, and now aim to determine if it can also kill coronaviruses. Take a look at the video below to see how it works.

Working in a safe environment with no possibility of anyone being exposed to coronavirus, we will “aerosolize” the viruses—meaning that we turn them into a fine spray—and we will flow this spray through a chamber in front of our far-UVC lamps. We will then test to find out how many of the viruses were killed by the light. If we can confirm that far-UVC light does efficiently kill coronaviruses, lights could be deployed anywhere people congregate, including schools, airports, train stations, airplanes, and hospitals, to limit the spread of the virus that causes COVID-19 as well as other coronaviruses that cause other respiratory diseases.

So they don't actually know it does and this is a theory they want to test.

In short, exposure to far-UVC light is safe for people, but potentially lethal for viruses in the air.

As you said, "potentially." Not confirmed.

Preventing the spread is key now. Especially with Fall and Flu season approaching.

Oh heck yes. And preventing flu from spreading as well. Low cost solutions would be wonderful - IF proven.

But it hasn't been proven. It's one of those wonderful ideas that is so far off the scale that no agency will fund it. They've taken the wonderful step of crowdfunding it (I heartily approve) and in theory it might work. I think it would be an excellent solution for places like grocery stores an so forth.

But right now it is only a hot idea and hasn't actually been tested.

originally posted by: alphabetaone
For anyone who has been keeping up with the data, in it's raw form, I wonder if they've come across something like this. It doesn't seem realistic or even reasonable to me

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How could hospitalizations have not increased since April 19th?

It would happen if intake and discharge rate are the same... but it does seem odd. Have you looked for the same stats from a different source?

I've noticed some occasionally weird things from the Texas data... they'll change the time that they report things or labs will close (and a delay in test results from it.)

I've noticed that they quit recording "recovered" cases for Dallas, TX and for Texas in the data sources I'm using.

originally posted by: Byrd
Okay... pony up. I'd like to see a link to medical papers or research saying that the zinc combination is effective.

There has already been links posted, to this and other threads, to NIH studies showing the efficacy of Zinc - multiple times.

Sorry, I'm not wasting my time posting yet another link that you will ignore.

And the studies aren't about the combination - they are solely about the power of Zinc.

Just like there have been lots of links to studies showing the efficacy of high dose IV vitamin C - that you also studiously ignore.

Not hard to find - if you are searching honestly.

So, the only question is... are you asking honestly? If so, I'm sure you'll come back and enlighten us with what you find, and eat a little humble pie while you're at it /sarc

originally posted by: tanstaafl

originally posted by: Byrd
Okay... pony up. I'd like to see a link to medical papers or research saying that the zinc combination is effective.

There has already been links posted, to this and other threads, to NIH studies showing the efficacy of Zinc - multiple times.

Sorry, I'm not wasting my time posting yet another link that you will ignore.

And the studies aren't about the combination - they are solely about the power of Zinc.

Just like there have been lots of links to studies showing the efficacy of high dose IV vitamin C - that you also studiously ignore.

Not hard to find - if you are searching honestly.

So, the only question is... are you asking honestly? If so, I'm sure you'll come back and enlighten us with what you find, and eat a little humble pie while you're at it /sarc

So once again, no proof, just opinion. That is all you have had all along.

originally posted by: Byrd

originally posted by: tanstaafl

originally posted by: Byrd
No, they'd make a ton of cash with chloroquine.

Studiously still totally ignoring the fact that it isn't the chloraquine that is effective?

Amazing...

Listen up buttercup...

It is the Zinc.

Now, try again...

Okay... pony up. I'd like to see a link to medical papers or research saying that the zinc combination is effective. My googling says it's ongoing in Turkey but there's no results yet

Not Youtube. Not the email that pathologist James Robb sent to his family. Not a note from a doctor. Not a news story or a tweet. None of that gives any idea of rigor, testing, and truth.

Could you link to a real medical paper that says zinc+HQC has been studied even in a small group and that it was effective enough to warrant further investigation? And not papers on zinc. Because all I find is a shared email from a pathologist that said zinc might help (but not Zinc+HQC) and some report on a doctor (later disputed by his patients) that said it was great and that he wrote to Trump about it.

So how about it? Link to paper, please.

Do you have a link to info about the patients disputing Dr Zelenko's claims? I'm interested! (Also it's kind of pointless to give Tans any attention since we know they are going by incorrect math and twisted stats - even proving that gets denial)

originally posted by: MrRCflying
So once again, no proof, just opinion. That is all you have had all along.

Yeah, if you consider all of the links that have been posted previously 'no proof'... I guess because it doesn't conform to your predispositions.

That said, for anyone else reading who actually cares...

The Role of Zinc in Antiviral Immunity

Efficacy of zinc against common cold viruses: an overview

Effect of Zinc Salts on Respiratory Syncytial Virus Replication

Zinc Chelation Specifically Inhibits Early Stages of Dengue Virus Replication

Zinc potentiates the antiviral action of human IFN-alpha tenfold

originally posted by: pasiphae
(Also it's kind of pointless to give Tans any attention since we know they are going by incorrect math and twisted stats - even proving that gets denial)

Denial? Like my apology, and explanation that I was going by memory of US numbers...

TDS apparently seriously impairs any and all brain function in its sufferers...

Guardian Article : " Who's Who on the SAGE team advising the UK Govt about Coronavirus "

21 Sceintists, and two political Advisors.

Quote from the Live feed introduction to the article :

The government’s former chief scientific adviser Sir David King said he was “shocked” to discover there were political advisers on Sage. “If you are giving science advice, your advice should be free of any political bias,” he said. “That is just so critically important.”

Told that Cummings was in the 23 March meeting, King replied: “Oh my goodness. Isn’t this maybe why they don’t want us to know who was there?”

edit : The Guardian article about this list.

originally posted by: tanstaafl

originally posted by: Byrd
Okay... pony up. I'd like to see a link to medical papers or research saying that the zinc combination is effective.

There has already been links posted, to this and other threads, to NIH studies showing the efficacy of Zinc - multiple times.

You keep saying that chlorquine plus zinc is absolutely the answer.

Now you say there's NO research that shows chloroquine plus zinc is effective.

The only studies on the combination (one study, in Turkey) are as a preventive, not as a treatment.

Frankly, you'd do better recommending chicken soup.

I have an online Dr friend who runs a clinic in a town in Arkansas. On Wednesday a guy came by for testing. He had just been released from Cummins prison a few days prior where there are at least 600 positive cases. They are early releasing anyone due for release in the next 12 months. He said the only screening being done on release was a temp check. His test came back positive today. Now he has to call up all the old pals he hung out with in the past couple of days.

They should all be getting tested and told to self isolate until the results come back. But no.

originally posted by: pasiphae
Do you have a link to info about the patients disputing Dr Zelenko's claims? I'm interested! (Also it's kind of pointless to give Tans any attention since we know they are going by incorrect math and twisted stats - even proving that gets denial)

Last paragraph in this article, which says he only treated 14 patients and that the community has asked him to quit making these false claims.

And this article, with more detail

a reply to: Byrd

Regrettably this is from "the" definitive source. John Hopkins University. Everyone is basing their numbers (and rises/plateaus/declines) it seems on their collaborative. Im not sure there's a more comprehensive set of data out there. If so though, I would love to see it.

a reply to: butcherguy

Right.

originally posted by: Byrd
You keep saying that chlorquine plus zinc is absolutely the answer.

No... I don't.

I keep saying high dose IV vitamin C is the answer.

It is Dr Zelenko that says hydroxychloroquine+zinc appear to work well enough too.

I was pointing out that it is the Zinc that has the anti-viral properties...

Now you say there's NO research that shows chloroquine plus zinc is effective.

Are you dense? Have you seen the studies referenced her emultiple times?

Maybe they'll develop a vaccine for disingenuous.

originally posted by: alphabetaone
a reply to: butcherguy

Right.

Seems a tad hard to believe.

For the Math nerds (I know you're out there. I can hear you breathing) Mathematical prediction of the time evolution of the COVID-19 pandemic in Italy by a Gauss error function and Monte Carlo simulations

It's a lovely paper about "mathematical predictions on the evolution in time of the number of positive cases in Italy of the COVID-19 pandemic based on official data and on the use of a function of the type of a Gauss error function, with four parameters, as a cumulative distribution function." There's formulas, data, and numbers!

In just eyeballing the data, their predictions about the date range when numbers of new infections would begin to taper off seems to be reasonably good.

As with all models, it's not an exact fit and it assumes that everyone will follow directions about distancing and so forth. Pretty neat stuff, anyway, and if you're doing modeling you might want to run it against your own data.

originally posted by: alphabetaone
a reply to: Byrd

Regrettably this is from "the" definitive source. John Hopkins University. Everyone is basing their numbers (and rises/plateaus/declines) it seems on their collaborative. Im not sure there's a more comprehensive set of data out there. If so though, I would love to see it.

Johns Hopkins is getting numbers from state health departments (they have to get it from somewhere reliable....) So I'm thinking you've got data that's not being updated.

But do check local and state resources. Although Johns Hopkins doesn't report on it, the Texas Tribune does give hospitalizations for Texas: www.texastribune.org... So you might be able to find a secondary source somewhere.

Wikipedia has some of the numbers you're looking for. Hold your mouse over the different parts of the bar charts here: en.wikipedia.org...(state)

Not slowing in Indiana we had 641 new cases overnight averaging close to 500 new cases a day opening anything back up right now is crazy .

Numbers Update for Europe, and Elsewhere (BNO still not updating) :







www.worldometers.info...