Corona Virus Updates Part 5

FFS people N19COVID is an emergent pandemic

please have the decency to comprehend this

as an example - a war annecdote - i have a newspaper from IIRC december 1939

one of the stories is " RAF dead now 4 "

that was - at the time - the total RAF losses for WWII

by 1945 - bomber command had 55 thousand dead

repeat after me - emergent pandemic

originally posted by: Drachenfel
- originally posted by: tanstaafl
-- originally posted by: all2human
-- "It's unbelievable coming from thread 1 seeing this play out right before our eyes
-- As if we were writing it into being."

- "The fear-mongers are doing precisely that.
- It is called a self-fulfilling prophecy. It is insane."

You've said this often throughout the thread, even against the backdrop of the ever rising figures,

The numbers are rising, yes... but more importantly, the ratios - infected to serious/critical to dead - are remaining relatively constant.

But your position requires you to address the worldwide reaction and the causes for it - whether sociological, psychological, mass hypnosis etc, because to simply state it is fear mongering is to miss the elephant in the room, which is governmental response.

Governments are notorious for 'never letting a good crisis go to waste'.

Football matches across the world were called off today, except Russia, Australia and Turkey. This is unprecedented in modern times.

Yes - and a reaction to the fear being pushed daily now by the MSM.

Earlier I had blamed the MSM for driving the initial fear/panic, but it was correctly pointed out that they were largely silent on the issue.

No more. They are 100% driving the fear/panic now. I'm fairly sure I know why.

What is your take on the causes of the response?
I only ask because I don't know the answer myself.

Great, and more importantly, honest question.

We all have theories (this is a CT site after all) - mine is it is a last gasp effort to squash the huge grassroots Nationalist / anti-Globalist movement that started with Trump - with the hope of damaging his chances of re-election this fall due to the hit the economy is taking right now.

again, that is just my personal opinion, but it has nothing to do with my analysis of the numbers.

originally posted by: tanstaafl

originally posted by: RP2SticksOfDynamite
Declared cases! The real numbers could be staggering and we are about to find out how staggering.

I hope so, because the more actual infected - that were previously going undetected because they were either completely asymptomatic or whose symptoms were so minor they weren't inclined to see anyone about it - the lower the real/actual CFR will be...

If the numbers outside China are expected to continue to grow exponentially to a peak in approximately 10 weeks time (according to UK Chief MO)

What makes you think his guesses are correct? That is all he is doing, you know. It is far too early to be able to make solid prediction models. That said, as testing ramps up...

If the number of cases doubles every week for 10 weeks then number of cases worldwide will be something like this in 10 weeks and I would guess conservative at that!

80k x 2 x 2 x 2 x 2 x 2 x 2 x 2 x 2 x 2 x 2 x 2 = 81m +
Assume 5-10% death rate = 4 to 8m dead

Or, you could use the far more likely CFR, which is based on the current/real/actual numbers we have today of 0.5-1% (as stated by Dr. Fauci), as opposed to your fear-mongered numbers - so:

Ass-u-me-ing your declared cases estimate of 81m

that would be

0.5-1% CFR = 405,000 to 810,000 dead.

Still not good, as it is admittedly 10+ times worse than the flu, but also, far less than your made-up numbers suggest, and simply doesn't justify destroying the worlds economy, especially when you understand - actually comprehend - that it is here, and nothing will stop it. The best thing to do would be to take a week or two of everything shut down to prep - lock down any and all of those at highest risk, especially in places like group homes/care facilities where they are heavily concentrated (by lock down, I mean, develop a system where the care givers are living in/with the residents for the duration of t he lock-down, to prevent chances of them bringing it in from outside) - then open the spigot and just let nature run its course.

Incidentally, I spoke with my two parents about this, as well as 3 other older people I know who are in the highest risk category, and they all said the exact same thing... without hesitation, they all said they would happily let this thing take them, rather than their children and grandchildren.

I don't want my parents to die, but they are going to die some day. It is called the great circle of life.

My numbers are not made up but based on assumption of potential continued infection rates. Obviously if the infection rates lessen the final numbers will be less!!

There are several things going on here. Because, as much as the virus is making its way around, there is also the economic aspect.
Why have more than 1,300 CEOs left their post in the past year?

That's a good question isn't it? More recently, the head of Disney, Google, all the biggies. And hey, talking of end times virus advocates, even good old Billy G has just left Microsofts board...
Bill Gates is stepping down from Microsoft board

I mean, you have to wonder why anyone would patent a corona virus
Sars-cov patent

There are signposts all along this road.

originally posted by: RP2SticksOfDynamite
I am not sure if you are intelligent, naive or just plain stupid.

Probably a little of all three.

Whichever it is, you are entitled to your view/perspective but I for one do not agree with your position.

Thanks, and likewise...

Based on what has occurred to date and the sequence of events since this virus (tool) became known to the world whilst it was ravaging in China, along with information that has been related during these 5 threads it is rather difficult to discard the fact that this virus is in no way natural but in fact appears to have the makeup of a very well designed best results wish list depopulation tool. A clever cocktail of components derived from other known viruses, be they Sars/Mers/HIV/Syph etc.

Yes, I'm aware of this theory - but that is all it is. You state it as if it were fact, but it is just, as you said - your opinion.

My opinion! I would be very happy to be wrong!!!!

Great! I'm fairly confident that you will be 'very happy' soon enough, then...

a reply to: tanstaafl

We all have theories (this is a CT site after all) - mine is it is a last gasp effort to squash the huge grassroots Nationalist / anti-Globalist movement that started with Trump - with the hope of damaging his chances of re-election this fall due to the hit the economy is taking right now.

I think the exact opposite - people will be screaming to bring everything back inside national borders, this is/will be a major wake up for society as the general public might actually realise that profit isn't everything and it is much wiser to produce your own meds, food.... rather than rely on countries 100/1000's of miles away.

originally posted by: worldstarcountry
a reply to: Agit8dChop
I'm guessing most of the people making these decisions, including Media heads were in attendance or had representatives at the 2019 bilderberg conference?? Guessing this was their agreed upon sequence of events to remove POTUS Trump and try to salvage their old world order (since 1973).

It will fail. The virus has not lived up to the hype, the danger is gravely overstated and most of America knows it and ignores it other than finally being just a tad bit more sanitary conscious.

The other countries who's citizens are already used to having few rights thanks to monarchs and overreaching socialist governments will also eventually come to their senses and realize what a goose chase they been on.

This is another experiment on social conditioning just like y2k. It's easy to scare all the worlds citizens into compliance when all the worlds media has been consolidated into a single group of owners who all work together for nefarious purposes.

No wonder 99% of the planet outside the US see's you all as absolute idiots.

originally posted by: BowBells
a reply to: JamieJJones

Youngest victim. As in died.

It also means someone that is injured by something or someone. You do not have to die to be a victim. A lot of young people are being hospitalized because of the virus and if you check out Italy, plenty of those dying are not elderly.
Definition: Victim

a reply to: saladfingers123456

Very, very telling...

originally posted by: Alien Abduct

originally posted by: Thejaybird
My goodness...

We have 355 confirmed cases of COVID-19 in California.

That's 0.003 of our population. Seriously.

Just stop. This is mass hysteria on a macro basis.

Dude....

10 days ago in the U.S. there were a little over 100 cases today there are 3,800 cases. Imagine what it is going to look like 2 months from now. You are in for a very rude awakening buddy.

And don't forget, they still aren't testing in any real volume. Supposed to start later this week.

Breaking news... Labour MP Kate Osborne becomes the second British politician to be diagnosed with coronavirus

Linky

To think, they were packed in the commons like sardines last week for the budget... Many more to follow no doubt.

Wondering how many of you plan to get in line for the coming SARS-CoV 2 vaccine, whenever it is ready?

I started looking at the history of the attempted development of a vaccine for SARS 1. Found it quite disturbing. I made a thread with the relevant info. It got too long to post as a reply here and it really isn't an update.

Take a look if interested.

Will you get in line for the SARS-CoV 2 Vaccine? Look at SARS 1 Vaccine development.

Soul

originally posted by: SoulReaper
Wondering how many of you plan to get in line for the coming SARS-CoV 2 vaccine, whenever it is ready?

lol, not a chance.

originally posted by: saladfingers123456
There are several things going on here. Because, as much as the virus is making its way around, there is also the economic aspect.
Why have more than 1,300 CEOs left their post in the past year?

That's a good question isn't it? More recently, the head of Disney, Google, all the biggies. And hey, talking of end times virus advocates, even good old Billy G has just left Microsofts board...
Bill Gates is stepping down from Microsoft board

I mean, you have to wonder why anyone would patent a corona virus
Sars-cov patent

There are signposts all along this road.

This is probably what would happen if a depop exercise was planned. And knowledge of such would be restricted.

originally posted by: Halfswede

originally posted by: Alien Abduct

originally posted by: Thejaybird
My goodness...

We have 355 confirmed cases of COVID-19 in California.

That's 0.003 of our population. Seriously.

Just stop. This is mass hysteria on a macro basis.

Dude....

10 days ago in the U.S. there were a little over 100 cases today there are 3,800 cases. Imagine what it is going to look like 2 months from now. You are in for a very rude awakening buddy.

And don't forget, they still aren't testing in any real volume. Supposed to start later this week.

Right. And also there is about 20-30 times the confirmed number that are non symptomatic or have a mild reaction so they dont get tested. So there are actually about 100,000 cases right now in the U.S.

originally posted by: tanstaafl
Reality check:

6,000 have died of COVID-19 in the last few months.

22,000 - 55,000 have died of the flu in the last few months.

80,000 died of the flu in 2017.

I must apologize, I posted this in a hurry and got the numbers a bit skewed... I will now correct my mistake, using current numbers to date (in keeping with the Updates' nature of this thread)...

To date (as near as I can tell):

6,527 people have died worldwide from COVID-19 since the numbers started accumulating (couldn't find a start date on the Worldometers site).

The WHO estimates that between 290,000 and 650,000 people die each year worldwide from seasonal influenza (couldn't find anything solid for this year/season).

69 people have died in the USA of COVID-19.

22,000 - 55,000 people have died in the USA from the flu so far since Oct 1 thru March 7th.

6,527 vs 450,000. 69 vs 35,000.

And flu is a high risk to young children, COVID-19 is not.

Let those numbers sink in for a second, then tell me again how serious this is. Please.

originally posted by: RP2SticksOfDynamite
My numbers are not made up but based on assumption of potential continued infection rates. Obviously if the infection rates lessen the final numbers will be less!!

You are confusing infection rates with the CFR.

The higher the infection rate (unknown) vs deaths (mostly known), the lower the real/actual CFR is revealed to be.

The made up numbers is your 5-10% CFR. As I pointed out (guess you missed it).

originally posted by: tanstaafl

originally posted by: tanstaafl
Reality check:

6,000 have died of COVID-19 in the last few months.

22,000 - 55,000 have died of the flu in the last few months.

80,000 died of the flu in 2017.

I must apologize, I posted this in a hurry and got the numbers a bit skewed... I will now correct my mistake, using current numbers to date (in keeping with the Updates' nature of this thread)...

To date (as near as I can tell):

6,527 people have died worldwide from COVID-19 since the numbers started accumulating (couldn't find a start date on the Worldometers site).

The WHO estimates that between 290,000 and 650,000 people die each year worldwide from seasonal influenza (couldn't find anything solid for this year/season).

69 people have died in the USA of COVID-19.

22,000 - 55,000 people have died in the USA from the flu so far since Oct 1 thru March 7th.

6,527 vs 450,000. 69 vs 35,000.

And flu is a high risk to young children, COVID-19 is not.

Let those numbers sink in for a second, then tell me again how serious this is. Please.

3 months of data and this is your conclusion.....

originally posted by: johnb
a reply to: tanstaafl
"We all have theories (this is a CT site after all) - mine is it is a last gasp effort to squash the huge grassroots Nationalist / anti-Globalist movement that started with Trump - with the hope of damaging his chances of re-election this fall due to the hit the economy is taking right now."

I think the exact opposite - people will be screaming to bring everything back inside national borders, this is/will be a major wake up for society as the general public might actually realise that profit isn't everything and it is much wiser to produce your own meds, food.... rather than rely on countries 100/1000's of miles away.

You must have misunderstood my post, because we agree.

I said (re-read what I wrote) I think this is a last ditch effort by tptb - the Globalists - to squash the Nationalist movement in this country (and around the world). What I failed to say was, I believe their effort will fail - meaning, as you said, not only will Trump be re-elected in a landslide, but his efforts to return our manufacturing base to its glory days will increase dramatically.

originally posted by: hopenotfeariswhatweneed
3 months of data and this is your conclusion.....

Yes. The numbers speak for themselves.