Corona Virus Updates Part 5

a reply to: pasiphae

Tuck coffee filters inside! Im reading that they help block. Im a part of multiple crochet groups and this has been discussed to its death....lol. Not claiming any sort of medical miracle or anything like that, but I've seen it from multiple sources, including outside of these groups. I think im about to start on some 100% cotton yarn ones for us.

Been offline making face masks for family here in Southwest Michigan. My youngest daughter is essential and while her client families are now doing video conferencing, she is the one who gets essential necessities for them.

I know that 80% of the cases here in Michigan are in the Detroit areas. Yet, yesterday, learned that 19 patients from Detroit were transferred to a Dowagiac hospital for care. I do not know if other hospitals have received patients as well, but It is obvious that more will be arriving to hospitals closer to home. Thus those local southwest Michigan staff will become higher risks as well in our communities.

Edit add: a reply to: Anynamedangit

After seeing a study on how absorbent paper towels are, they would be a perfect filter liner in a pocket mask without hindering one's breathing. The fibers expand from the moisture and tightens the weave to capture more. My experience of a coffee filter is that it becomes more porous when wet.


Awesome study with graphs on effectiveness of various materials used in diy masks vs surgical masks. Very helpful when one is needing to make a mask at home out of necessity. What are the best Materials for making DIY masks?

Elevated deathrates not from the virus but from the idiotic response to it:

www.sott.net...

Today I am teetering on the brink of a nervous breakdown. I am doing breathing exercises to not flip completely into a panic attack. Not because of the virus at all. Couldn't care less, not even worried getting it, as nothing will happen. The chances are so darn small and I say that despite having asthma and ME.

I can't take the incarceration of innocent people any longer. I have done nothing wrong.
The numbers for the UK are going down. Husband is doing his own chart, taking everything into account.
And they aren't going down because we suffer indoors without Vit D from the sun but because winter and flu season is over!

This isn't a new thing, this will happen every year just like it happened every year before this. Some years the virus du jour will be stronger but it will always go away again. We already have a weapon against this, build in by nature, it's called the Immune system. Those whose IS is compromised can decide to stay in or be careful with family members who are old or frail. End off. No vaccines, chips in brains, tracking devices, poverty, loss of homes and businesses needed.

In the UK thousands went out to Parks [yessssss] and as a draconian measure we are being threatened that we could have our daily exercise time outside taken away from us. Like naughty children.
Jonny here did wrong, so the whole class is going to stay in after school. Don't forget to grass up anyone not compliant to the overlords.
Well sod that.They are all allowed out soon. In Sweden they never needed to stay in in the first place. I think I have to ask for asylum as I am a prisoner without any guilt and against my will and common sense.
I have done nothing wrong but here I sit, panic attack imminent, crying because of the injustice and feeling helpless and in need of air and sun and fearful of the kneejerk reactions.

We need to stop this NOW or many more will die that have nothing to do with the virus.

Plus we don't need testing. Tests will only reveal that most of human kind carry a corona virus somewhere inside of them. Heck it's the most common virus about. Doesn't mean it's corvid-19. Doesn't mean they have enough to shed, doesn't mean eff all. All it means to non scientific idiots is that you have to go to jail despite being innocent. Your own little jail at home.

Anyone still for this lockdown is an imbecile, killing others either by suicide or lack of exercise or mental health or lack of medical care [just read the article]. At least if we were free, it would be on us to take the chance. Like adults.

Thanks you frigging hysterical morons.

originally posted by: angelchemuel
Interesting video from a Dr in New York....

NYC Dr....

Rainbows
Jane

I'm having trouble with that video link but I've watched him on youtube, where he says he's a doctor on the front lines dealing with this in New York and we don't understand what we are dealing with. He said the normal ventilator programming is for patients having difficulty breathing because their muscles are too tired, but his coronavirus patients don't have tired muscles, the muscles work fine, they just aren't getting enough oxygen.

So, he says the ventilators need to be re-programmed for coronavirus patients to account for this. He doesn't give any details of the reprogramming so I'm not sure if other doctors would know what to do with this or not even if they trusted the advice, but it sounds like he's advocating for having the ventilators apply less pressure (the higher pressure not being needed when the patients breathing muscles are working fine). He also said that without the reprogramming, the ventilators may actually be doing some harm caused by the unnecessary extra pressure they put on the lungs for patients who don't need that pressure.

He mentioned something about a paper from Italy being published saying the same thing. It would be nice if he gave a link to that paper so we could read it, but he didn't.

Patients need OXYGEN NOT PRESSURE!!! The ventilators may be causing lung damage because of PRESSURE. Needs to be immediately investigated. 100,000 - 250,000 Americans at risk of lung injury. Change can happen. The time is NOW!!

originally posted by: angelchemuel
Interesting video from a Dr in New York....

NYC Dr....

Rainbows
Jane

The other videos posted by 'Gary Green' on Vimeo (15 in total) include a few of '5G' videos, and one about Wifi in schools.
He also reposted a David Icke video, and another video titled 'The Secret Covenant'...
So, i'm sorry if I choose not to believe some guy in scrubs in a kitchen somewhere.

edit : The Doctor seems legit, see a few posts below by Cirrus12 for better links to more info. Just concerned about the Vimeo account holder...
I prefer to be cautious...

originally posted by: Tamsuan

originally posted by: Phage
a reply to: ShortBus

Won't the virus just start spreading again?

Most models show a spike toward the end of the year, yes. But not as long lived a spike. The assumption is that natural immunity will become more of a factor. This first go, no one has immunity. Next time, a good percentage of the population will.

How firm is your expectation that people will acquire immunity to this? The common cold (rinovirus/coronavirus) keeps coming back through mutation, doesn't it? HIV stays in the infected person and continues to cause problems.

With all the unknowns around this virus, I don't think we can assume that it will behave like measles.

An jazz artist entertainment friend of mine in Georgia has recovered from Covid19. The CDC even drew blood from him to research it for antibodies. They also gave him a certified letter of release from his stay at home isolation order. So I am guessing that the CDC believes one does create immunity and is not a carrier after recovering.

Edit add: email responses from Georgia Dept of Health



From his various conversations, he was advised he is immune and no longer has to worry about face mask or gloves. He has offered to get essentials and necessities for folks in his area with this reassurance that he is now immune and not a carrier.

BREAKING: Lord Bath of Longleat has died at the age of 87-years-old after he tested positive for coronavirus.

Read the latest on #COVID19: trib.al/rfH0nw9

twitter.com...

There is this from Italian doctors which references this point:

twitter.com...

Also someone on Twitter put this together
docs.google.com...#
from here twitter.com...

The doctor in the video is found here on Twitter
twitter.com...
Very interesting discussion in many of his posts, well worth a look.
He just took part in this: www.acmt.net...


a reply to: Arbitrageur

originally posted by: RexKramerPRT

BREAKING: Lord Bath of Longleat has died at the age of 87-years-old after he tested positive for coronavirus.

Read the latest on #COVID19: trib.al/rfH0nw9

twitter.com...

87 eh? He's a Lord eh? Must be bad. We are all going to die now because of this one more elderly person dying.

Here are some numbers by the Who in 2017 [!] on some normal flu to give some perspective:

www.who.int...

We haven't even reach that number yet!!!!!!!!!!

Bloody hell. The elderly and compromised will always die first in ANY flu season since the beginning of time. It's not news, it's a fact that has never not existed.

a reply to: Hecate666

Just notable as he is well known. Longleat Safari Park is in his garden.

From BBC Live Feed :

- 13.44 and 14.01 : Singapore reports Biggest Jump in Cases (120 in 24h)

The government data indicate that large numbers of migrant workers are infected with the virus. The government is quarantining two dormitories, with around 20,000 people, and preventing workers from leaving their rooms for the next 14 days.

Of the 120 cases, 116 are locally transmitted (rather than brought by visitors to Singapore). The government hopes to prevent further spread among migrants.

The country has around 300,000 foreign workers, many employed in construction.

- 14.30 President of Malawi, and his Ministers, take 10% pay cut for 3 Months to help pay for Coronavirus Measures.

Malawi President Peter Mutharika is taking a 10% cut to his $3,600-a-month (£3,000) salary for three months to release money to tackle the coronavirus outbreak.

originally posted by: RP2SticksOfDynamite

originally posted by: angelchemuel
Interesting video from a Dr in New York....

NYC Dr....

Rainbows
Jane

Everyday we get a slightly clearer picture. Where are we heading with this.....and what does what this clearly experienced and articulate Dr is saying imply?

There are 2 different viruses at work, hence the mild symptoms and the hospitalisations?
And was one released Conv19 to hide the other?
Also, note the SEA nations (S Korea, Taiwan, Thailand etc not has impacted as those in the west, US, UK, EU.

This video is potentially dynamite.

This article from an Italian Dr appears to support the claims:

docs.google.com...

originally posted by: cirrus12
There is this from Italian doctors which references this point:

twitter.com...

Also someone on Twitter put this together
docs.google.com...#
from here twitter.com...

The doctor in the video is found here on Twitter
twitter.com...
Very interesting discussion in many of his posts, well worth a look.
He just took part in this: www.acmt.net...


a reply to: Arbitrageur

That may be the document from Italian doctors that Cameron Kyle-Sidell, MD was referring to, thanks for the links.

originally posted by: MonkeyBalls2
The other videos posted by 'Gary Green' on Vimeo (15 in total) include a few of '5G' videos, and one about Wifi in schools.
He also reposted a David Icke video, and another video titled 'The Secret Covenant'...

I can't say I have any trust in Gary Greene, but he's not the one in the video.

So, i'm sorry if I choose not to believe some guy in scrubs in a kitchen somewhere.

Cameron Kyle-Sidell, MD appears to be a legitimate MD but that doesn't guarantee he's right. He's speaking from his first hand experiences in treating patients with severe symptoms. I'm not sure I trust what he says, but apparently some other doctors have made similar observations so he's not the only one. This is a new virus, so it seems possible treatment methods may need some refinement.

originally posted by: cirrus12
There is this from Italian doctors which references this point:

twitter.com...

Also someone on Twitter put this together
docs.google.com...#
from here twitter.com...

The doctor in the video is found here on Twitter
twitter.com...
Very interesting discussion in many of his posts, well worth a look.
He just took part in this: www.acmt.net...


a reply to: Arbitrageur

Thanks for the links.
Much appreciated.

I remember two cases where western people in High altitude conditions (Chile or Peru iirc) had COVID-19, and had to be dropped to a lower altitude hospital to be treated.
Do you think this the same sort of thing ?

originally posted by: RexKramerPRT
a reply to: Hecate666

Just notable as he is well known. Longleat Safari Park is in his garden.

Sorry, didn't want to have a go at you, I'm just really fired up today.

Sure, I remember watching the program, but 87? I'd be amazed if I lived THAT long, with or without flu.

I checked what famous people actually died of this normal illness and to none of my amazement it was only a handful,g of which I had only heard of one [now two]. All were over 70 apart from one that I don't know.

You see considering this is supposed to be as bad a s the Bubonic plague, I would expect more famous people to die. Considering they are always mingling somewhere.

A lot of them have had it. Idris Elba, Prince Charles, Tom Hanks and others, all lived through it just fine. As I expect.

The moment that would make me get actually worried is if REALLY known people under 70 died like flies.
Imagine Gwyneth Paltrow, Obama, Ricky Gervais, Madonna and similar would suddenly die.

Now then we would have reason to suspect it is really dangerous.

But they are not, are they? They just sit at home and then get on with it. Like almost all human beings on earth would unless they are old and/or vulnerable.

No worries
I don't remember that particular case but having done a bit of research online it appears to be a growing idea.
I'm not a doctor so some of the language is beyond me but it is really interesting to me. Surely this is a good development - in the sense that there could be a protocol soon for treatment - assuming doctors around the world engage with eachother and keep sharing information. Any medics here that could go into more detail for us laymen?
Thanks
a reply to: MonkeyBalls2

Has coronavirus been in humans for years? Experts claim the disease was circulating 'for some time' before lethally mutating

s the world continues to grapple to bring the outbreak under control, the global death toll skyrocketed to more than 64,000 and infections topped 1.2million Friday. The widespread theory is that the deadly virus was first transmitted from a bat to a human at a live animal market in Wuhan at the end of 2019. Leading scientists are now casting doubt on that theory, warning that the virus could have made the leap to humans many months and even years before it adapted and became more deadly.

The theory is that the virus has adapted and become more infectious and deadly to humans over time. 'The spark that ignited this surely only took place a few months ago, there could have been other sparks that set it off and made smaller fires that we just didn't detect it,' Professor Robert Gary, author of the study and professor of the Tulane University School of Medicine. 'It's a wide range of time that we can select.' Gary said several other strains of coronavirus have been undetected for decades before medical experts have discovered them.

www.dailymail.co.uk...

I couldn't give a monkeys if these celebs get it or not but it is really dangerous - ok maybe not to all but so many people have died of this that wouldn't have if this didn't exist.
The parents of the 6 week old baby who died, the 5 year old and 13 year old in the UK. Innocent young people who have had their lives taken.

It is frustrating to not have our social lives and be free outside, but most evidence points to this being an appropriate measure to slow down the spread and impact. Yes the flu does kill a lot of people, but you can't really compare it. We have data about the flu - we only have a few months of this. If we took no measures, what would the death rate be worldwide vs the flu. We don't know. Likely much higher. And if we did let it just run its course what would the impact be on health services? They are buckling now and that is with the measures in place.

We must be vigilant in terms of our civil liberty yes, but we must also take the evidence shown to us as real IMO. I've seen the empty hospital videos and I too was suspicious, but it makes sense that it is not hugely busy at the front entrances. All routine procedures stopped, no visitors, not as many accidents as no one is going out.

I keep an open mind, i don't doubt some will take advantage of this lockdown and those in power could and might go down a dark road which is a concern - but there is a real reason to be worried about the virus and I don't think we can afford to underplay its severity at the moment.

a reply to: Hecate666

UK confirmed cases at 47,806. Deaths now at 4,932.

People are still not complying with social distancing, it’s lovely weather here today and people just can’t help themselves!

a reply to: cirrus12

No it isn't really dangerous. It's less dangerous than previous flus. It has the most coverage ever and the most fear mongering but now we know that this is really not different.
You have to stop listening to MSN now. They lie. Literally, they lie to you and want you scared.

Were you scared in 2017?
Because more people died during that flu season than have so far of this one.

It just wasn't reported like this.

Please use your brains people, it will harm your immune system to worry so much. In teh UK cases are going down because flu season is over.
By the time they have a vaccine, the virus will have either gone away for another year or mutated or whatever. Something that has happened for all of human and animal history.

If you are alive now, all your ancestors survived every epidemic and pandemic there erver was, even the bubonic plague.

We have to stop pedalling the 'really dangerous bit'. It isn't any more dangerous than any flu or any virus before.

What is dangerous is the restrictions and the penalties that keep people in. Suicides will go up and more deaths will happen because of depression lack of VIT D and the following recession, lack of medical availability for other ailments and poverty. Deaths that actually could and can still be prevented if we stop flapping our arms.
By being so gullible, you are indirectly responsible for these deaths. Is that not worrying?

Sweden has never had a lockdown and they have similar numbers to Germany. Holland will follow letting people back out again. And the prediction is that NOWT will happen differently than every frigging year past or future.


WHO 2017 about flu in general:
www.who.int...

Did you stay in that year? did you grass up healthy people who just behaved normally then?
Did we get all tracked by phone?
NO, because there was no fear mongering.

Because this is not anything different. Get a grip and STOP with this unnecessary fear spreading.