Corona Virus Updates Part 4

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Looks like Denmark, is going under quarantine they reported 252 cases closing schools government buildings and non essential jobs.

originally posted by: tanstaafl

originally posted by: Oppenheimer67
They handled it exactly how they intended to handle it. No tests means no cases.

I agree... this serves their purpose of making the numbers look far worse than they are, creating much more fear and panic, driving the markets down, and hopefully hurting Trump in t he election this fall.

It won't work.

Oh thereaintnosuchthingasafreelunch. That's disappointing. You do get on my tits sometimes when someone answers your query quite politely and astutely, but then you decide to twist your question to make their answer look inadequate.

But you do actually call out a lot of nonsense too which I was just starting to respect. But here you have twisted my point to serve a political baiting/trolling purpose. Shame on you.

originally posted by: FamCore
Just received this from my in-law who received it from one of their relatives - may be some helpful information in here!
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Taiwan experts provide a simple self-check that we can do every morning. Take a deep breath and hold your breath for more than 10 seconds. If you complete it successfully without coughing, without discomfort, stiffness or tightness, etc., it proves there is no Fibrosis in the lungs, basically indicates no infection. In critical time, please self-check every morning in an environment with clean air."

That one is interesting, and sounds like something worthwhile to do, but I wonder if it is definitive, because, one of the later recommendations makes me seriously question who wrote this was not anyone with medical knowledge, because:

"5. If it drops on a metal surface it will live for at least 12 hours - so if you come into contact with any metal surface - wash your hands as soon as you can with a bacterial soap ."

Ummm... I thought anti-bacterial soap won't do squat for a virus?

a reply to: tanstaafl

Yes good point - maybe the person who wrote this works in a related field but is not in medicine/science/STEM themselves and are paraphrasing what they were told. Can't be sure...

POTUS TO address the nation at 9pm EST. in regards to the pandemic.

originally posted by: Furryhobnob
twitter.com...
I think this is what's going on!

Yes, I agree, what Trump should have done was completely and utterly destroy the entire world's economy before we even had our first confirmed case by shutting down all planes, trains and automobiles, welding everyone in their homes, and handing out toilet paper and spam to those who failed to properly prep for TEOTWAWKI.

originally posted by: Oppenheimer67
a reply to: ketsuko

"The bug is particularly lethal in Italy. Nearly 30 percent of the population is over the age of 60"

In the UK, I just calculated 23.8% of the population are over the age of 60 from this 2018 data:
www.statista.com...

I suspect US is similar. Found something like over 65 being 18 or 19% or something, but gave up looking for enough data to calculate for over 60. Japan has even more, think I saw 33% back in 2014. Maybe they have contained it better, maybe they have a less severe strain.

Point is though, I'm not sure we can rely on the population of Italy being geriatrics. It just ain't.

On a side note, glad to see you are still keeping an eye on things here. Really appreciate your input.

They have people in their 20s in ICU.
The median age in ICU is 65. That means equal younger and older. Although in the badly struck areas they are not putting the elderly in ICU.

They have as of today over 1000 in ICU. They are not a country with a poor healthcare system. Especially in the North they have some of the best healthcare around. The private and national health service has pooled together to battle this.

My mum's friend is in Italy. She lives in a tiny village. A large elderly population 2 have died already. She is checking her temp daily.

It is only a matter of time. We can't say it will be better in UK or any other Western country cos we can't cope with day to day needs.

(Info courtesy of BNO news/Dr Campbell on YouTube)

originally posted by: butcherguy
a reply to: tanstaafl

Doesn't it seem pointless to argue about the numbers until this is over?

Yeah, may not have been obvious but that was kind of my point.

But, I'm also leaning heavily toward this thing not being nearly as bad as the MSM and fear-mongers would have us believe (can you tell?) - unless, as I said, it really is a bio-weapon with some kind of nasty/lethal delayed payload.

a reply to: tanstaafl

Meh the effects it is having on the world have little to do with the media, and more to do with the economy. I hand it to ya thou, for being a hard core skeptic.

originally posted by: CrazeeWorld777
Holy camoli... just seen Italy's numbers for the day. Damn! 2313 new cases and 196 dead.

Does anyone know of a site that is keeping daily stats on the age ranges of these deaths?

Is the average age of the people dying still 81? If so, that says a whole, whole lot.

Situation Report - Sterling Virginia (Northern Border)
Grocery store was quiet at 2PM.
Everything was fully stocked, except toilet paper isle was almost empty.
Didn't think to look at disinfectant or water isles.
Saw quite a few people wearing gloves, mostly staff, including gas station and UPS Store.
Zero mask. Nobody coughing. No twitching bodies on ground.

Hundreds Of Coronavirus Self-Test Kits Sitting In U.S. Awaiting FDA Approval

A German laboratory has been ramping up production of a machine used for self-testing for the coronavirus. Hundreds of these machines are in the U.S. waiting for FDA approval before they can be used. NBC News’ Richard Engel reports from the lab in Dusseldorf, Germany. Aired on 03/11/20.

Projected tens of thousands more could be tested on a daily basis. One hour results.

a reply to: Bicent

Today's White House Task Force briefing on coronavirus has been cancelled... so I can hardly wait till 9pm. 🙄🤔

Please standby...

originally posted by: tanstaafl

originally posted by: St Udio
the Jet Stream air current could pick up spittle in Wuhan China and drop that specimen , on a ham sandwitch in Ames Iowa...& the eater suddenly gets CV symptoms from the Airborne disease

keeping an open mind

Sorry, that is balderdash, not evidence of an open mind.

Oddly enough, research was done that indicates many viruses and bacteria travel in the jet stream to be deposited back to Earth. A report in 2018 states:

"Every day, more than 800 million viruses are deposited per square metre above the planetary boundary layer -- that's 25 viruses for each person in Canada," said University of British Columbia virologist Curtis Suttle, one of the senior authors of a paper in the International Society for Microbial Ecology Journal that outlines the findings.

Not saying this particular one could do that, but certainly not balderdash.

Oh fun...
www.sciencedaily.com...

originally posted by: checkmeout

originally posted by: Oppenheimer67
a reply to: ketsuko

"The bug is particularly lethal in Italy. Nearly 30 percent of the population is over the age of 60"

In the UK, I just calculated 23.8% of the population are over the age of 60 from this 2018 data:
www.statista.com...

I suspect US is similar. Found something like over 65 being 18 or 19% or something, but gave up looking for enough data to calculate for over 60. Japan has even more, think I saw 33% back in 2014. Maybe they have contained it better, maybe they have a less severe strain.

Point is though, I'm not sure we can rely on the population of Italy being geriatrics. It just ain't.

On a side note, glad to see you are still keeping an eye on things here. Really appreciate your input.

They have people in their 20s in ICU.
The median age in ICU is 65. That means equal younger and older. Although in the badly struck areas they are not putting the elderly in ICU.

They have as of today over 1000 in ICU. They are not a country with a poor healthcare system. Especially in the North they have some of the best healthcare around. The private and national health service has pooled together to battle this.

My mum's friend is in Italy. She lives in a tiny village. A large elderly population 2 have died already. She is checking her temp daily.

It is only a matter of time. We can't say it will be better in UK or any other Western country cos we can't cope with day to day needs.

(Info courtesy of BNO news/Dr Campbell on YouTube)

Unfortunately this tallies with a lot of what I have been seeing. And yes, Italy has very good health care, especially in the north. The north may have an older demographic compared to poorer areas, but where there are old and rich, there are service industries from all over.

I have seen videos of younger looking critical cases in plastic cocoons being treated. And also heard reliable accounts that doctors are having to choose to save the most likely to survive, hence the videos of younger looking patients in ICU.

We can't protect our mums, dads, grandparents forever, but hopefully we can protect them long enough for it to mutate to be less severe, or for there to be a vaccine. Italy is not a special case. Neither is China. Most of the world's response is woefully inadequate.

a reply to: checkmeout

But even before regions of the north were placed under quarantine Sunday, before the measures were extended to the entire country Monday night, there were signs of major holes in the approach. When news of the impending quarantine in the north leaked Saturday, thousands of people fled the red-zoned areas, raising fears of fresh outbreaks in the south of the country, where the healthcare system is not as well resourced as the wealthy north.

The shortage of trained staff is also an issue. Intensive care wards across Italy were about 3,000 doctors short even before the outbreak, according to their union. And despite their precautions, overworked medical staff are at high risk of getting sick themselves, making about 12 percent of those infected in Lombardy.

They were short of doctors before this started, and that's in the north. This is the "best" part of their care system which was already drastically short, and it was only making it because they were sending patients south.

www.vice.com...

originally posted by: tanstaafl

originally posted by: bastion
In Italy it seems to be hospitalising the young and healthy in intensive care at the same rate as the elderly,

Really?

Accoring to Italy's National Health Institute:

"The average age of deceased and positive COVID-2019 patients is 81 years, they are mostly men and in more than two thirds of cases they have three or more pre-existing diseases."

staff are already collapsing from exhaustion while on shift and its barely begun with a 6% fatality and 9% intensive care rate so far which is around double the rate China was reporting.

Obviously, it is bad there. But that doesn't mean it will be that bad everywhere.

Can you not see that Italy is an anomaly?

www.epochtimes.de... -a3181949.html

In Bergamo they say intensive care is breaking down. Its like war and making a choice who gets treated and who not...
They said first came in old People. Now its 40year olds being critical and surging into hospitals. Its no joke.

originally posted by: JamieJJones
“I can say we will see more cases and things will get worse than they are right now,” Dr. Anthony Fauci, director of the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases, told the House Oversight and Reform Committee on Wednesday at a hearing on the nation’s preparedness for the outbreak."

When pressed by lawmakers for an estimate of eventual fatalities in the U.S., Fauci said it will be “totally dependent upon how we respond to it.”

“I can’t give you a number,” he said. “I can’t give you a realistic number until we put into the factor of how we respond. If we’re complacent and don’t do really aggressive containment and mitigation, the number could go way up and be involved in many, many millions.”

www.cnbc.com...

MILLIONS - get it?

What I get is that this was taken out of context, not surprising considering it is CNBC.

The full text (from this transcript) goes like this:

(apologies for the all caps, this was copy/pasted from the site)

"OKAY. BASED UPON THE CURRENT TRAJECTORY, HOW MANY PEOPLE DO YOU THINK WILL GET THIS NEW VIRUS AND HOW MANY DO YOU THINK WILL DIE?

I CANNOT PREDICT.

I KNOW YOU CAN'T PREDICT BUT YOU MUST -- ARE WE HAVE A GRAPH, BEGINNING OF THE GRAPH. WE KNOW THIS IS GOING TO GO UP. WE HAVE THE EXPERIENCE OF CHINA. WE HAVE THE EXPERIENCE OF ITALY.

YEAH.

CAN YOU GIVE US SOME PROJECTIONS?

IT IS GOING TO BE TOTALLY DEPENDENT UPON HOW WE RESPOND TO IT. SO, I CAN'T GIVE YOU A NUMBER. IF WE NOW SIT BACK COMPLACENTLY --

I'M NOT ASKING TO BE COMPLACENT. I'M ASKING FOR A REALISTIC --

I CAN'T GIVE YOU A REALISTIC NUMBER UNTIL WE PUT INTO THE FACTOR OF HOW WE RESPOND. IF WE ARE COMPLACENT AND DON'T DO REALLY AGGRESSIVE CONTAINMENT AND MITIGATION, THE NUMBER COULD GO WAY UP AND BE INVOLVED IN MANY, MANY MILLIONS. IF WE CONTAIN, WE COULD FLATTEN IT. SO THERE'S NO NUMBER ANSWER TO YOUR QUESTION UNTIL WE ACT UPON IT."

Do you see what CNBC did? The omitted the actual question, which was: "HOW MANY PEOPLE DO YOU THINK WILL GET THIS NEW VIRUS AND HOW MANY DO YOU THINK WILL DIE?", and claimed that it was a question only about fatalaties.

I believe Dr. Fauci was responding to the part about how many would get it, not how many would die.

It's not the flu, it's not a nothing burger, it's the most catastrophic event in the history of mankind.

When someone says 'it's like the flu', they aren't saying it is the flu. You know t hat right?

But, top your last... no... it is not the most catastrophic event in the history of mankind. Yet. But who knows, maybe it will turn out to be.

UPDATE: Everything we know about the 32 coronavirus deaths in the U.S.

Posted: Mar 11, 2020 / 11:55 AM EDT / Updated: Mar 11, 2020 / 04:32 PM EDT
AUSTIN (KXAN) — As of mid-afternoon on March 11, the coronavirus disease has killed at least 32 people in the United States and more than 1,000 remain sick. So far, these deaths skew very old, partly because of an outbreak at a senior-living facility near Seattle. Nineteen of those 32 people killed contracted the illness at this one facility.

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But a breakdown of the deaths do offer some guidance as to which people are most at risk. Based on a rough estimate using the range of ages given for the victims, we can tell that the average age of each victim is almost 77 years old.

No one younger than 40 has died from the disease in the U.S. And even the one person in their 40s who did die had an underlying medical condition.

U.S. women dying much more often than men in Seattle
So far, in the U.S., women are outpacing men in the number of deaths although that gap is closing as more deaths are reported. Out of the 32 people who have died, 18 are women and 14 are men.

Part of the reason for the difference is in King County, Washington, where Seattle is located. Most of the people who have died there are women — 14 compared to just eight men. Outside of King County, more men have died than women.

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