Corona Virus Updates Part 4

originally posted by: armakirais
Houston Rodeo cancelled. Just on news . This major

This is huge. The rodeo brings in millions of dollars of revenue to the Houston economy; definitely not a decision taken lightly.

My son and his girlfriend had plans in place for Chicago this weekend and he just called saying that they've cancelled the St. Patrick's Day Parade there. The other event they were attending was cancelled too. (I can't say that I'm disappointed they'e not going, but I acted like I was. LOL)

One quick comment, then it's back to work for me. I'm noticing a lot of shaming happening on FB for people who have stocked up ahead of time. The people who can't buy what they need are angry and painting a picture that anyone who has stocked up is fear-mongering and creating a needless panic. I think I'll just away from FB for a while. I can't take all of the posts about, 'it's just flu".

Edit: I think they're just mad about the toilet paper. LMAO!!!

This morning i updated that Finland has 40 confirmed cases.

It is evening now, and we have 61 confirmed cases.

originally posted by: Tukota
One quick comment, then it's back to work for me. I'm noticing a lot of shaming happening on FB for people who have stocked up ahead of time. The people who can't buy what they need are angry and painting a picture that anyone who has stocked up is fear-mongering and creating a needless panic. I think I'll just away from FB for a while. I can't take all of the posts about, 'it's just flu".

Edit: I think they're just mad about the toilet paper. LMAO!!!

I commented on a friends FB post about being ahead of the game and I bought my TP in the beginning to middle of Feb.

I said there isnt any need for panic buying if you are already stocked up.

Let them shame.

Eta: I told him that I am paying attention to the rest of the world and we are about 2 to 4 weeks behind.

originally posted by: JamieJJones
I said things would become clear, and since I posted Merkel has announced that 60%-70% (58 million) Germans will get the disease

That is called... a WAG. She isn't a prophet you know.

So. Almost 4 weeks ago I was told that a big part of the concern was that this is the most contageous disease that they have ever seen - by a long way.
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Whatever country you live in - at least 50% (best case) and probably more realistically 90% of the population will get the virus.

I don't disagree with the idea that it is highly contagious - it is in fact spreading pretty fast, that much is clear. But what is also apparent is that, barring this actually being some kind of evil bio-weapon with some yet to be deployed secondary payload - this will end up kind of like the flu or a cold, in that eventually, within the next year or three, 100% - everyone - will have caught it. For this reason, the best we can do is try to slow it down, so that medical services are not too overwhelmed, so that those who need life saving intervention can get it.

The best way to do that is stop fear-mongering, which will only scare people who have a sniffle to rush to the hospital to 'get tested', consuming resources needed elsewhere.

Seriously - Doctors offices and Hospitals should immediately cease any and all walk-in visits, and require people to call in first.

One thing that would really help is something I think should have been implemented a long time ago... require any and all Doctor visits - with the exceptions of real emergencies (trauma victims, etc) - to have a 'Virtual Consult', to assess their situation and see if they actually need to come in at all. Now would be a good time to implement such a system.

The other thing that really needs to happen is the development of in-home test kits that give instant results - like a pregnancy test (I have no desire to donate my DNA to anyone, for anything) - for flu, SARS, etc. I mean, seriously, with the billions upon billions they get of taxpayer money, I don't think it's too much to ask.

Now the bad news.
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The consensus of opinion was that it doesn't matter how contageous it is, as long as it doesn't have a 30%, 40%, etc kill rate then everything will just blow over.

This is wrong, this is not how epidemics work.

The more deadly a disease the less widespread it will be since it rapidly overwhelms and incapacitates it's victims, meaning they can't pass it onto many other people and it rapidly destroys itself.

The most contageous diseases spread like wildfire because they create very mild (if any noticeable) illness, meaning people can continue to interact and spread it farther and farther and farther.

You only need a CFR of around 1.8-2.5% with a highly contageous disease to create a catastrophic event - and that is exactly what we have here, except it's worse than that.

Maybe... so, what do you expect anyone to do about it? Destroy the entire world's economy trying to prevent the inevitable? You do realize that in all likelihood, more people are going to die from the economic fallout of the thrashing the economy is taking right now due to the doom-porn reactionaries, than will die from the disease itself, right?

This disease causes no illness while the infected person is contageous for up to a month, meaning they spread it like crazy, and on top of that it is highly contractable.

This is not proven, and is currently no more than rumor. Please stop stating rumor as fact, unless you can back it up with solid evidence.

While this has a DIRECT "kill rate" of maybe 2% with medical intervention,

Not sure exactly what you mean. The CFR? That is yet TBD. The only numbers we have to go on now are simply not adequate.

Think about it. If your supposed 20-30% R-naught is accurate, that means there are literally hundreds of thousands walking around with it right now and have been for months, which means the CFR is much, much lower than current numbers show.

And if they've had it for months, and exhibited no or only minor symptoms, then ... what? I don't go around worrying about how many people come down with head colds every day, and I can't worry about how many get infected with this thing that remain fully or mostly asymptomatic.

it will hospitalise up to 20% of the people who contract it,

Sorry - where are you getting the 20% figure? If it is Italy, don't, the vast majority of the ones dying there are in the very high risk category (average age of 80, which means 70-90, all with serious underlying health problems). Their numbers are skewed, plain and simple.

Yes, it is apparently very very bad in Italy right now.

But then you have South Korea, with a CFR based on current numbers of around 0.7%.

Of the 1063 currently open cases in the USA, 1,053 (99%), with 10 (1%) in critical condition. Of the 46 closed cases, 15 are recovered, and 31 died. Tragic yes, but again, virtually all are elderly with underlying health problems.

with a large number of those needing intensive medical intervention (ventilating, powerful drugs to combat secondary bacterial infections, etc).

Yes, this is a very serious and concerning bug for those in the high risk category - which includes my parents, and yes, I'm very concerned about them, but thankfully, they're sensible, and stopped exposing themselves needless weeks ago.

We absolutely should be doing more to protect the high risk group, especially when it comes to clusters (in nursing/group homes, etc).

The problem is that we do not have the medical infrastructure to provide that level of care when say 58 million people (as Merkel predicts) in one country are ill.

She is spouting off. She has no clue. But yes, if even hundreds of thousands come down with life-threateningly serious conditions, it will be bad. So, lets try to keep that from happening. Stop fear-mongering, and start working towards sane precautions for the high risk groups.

Group homes that care for the elderly should be on serious lock down, now, immediately.

a reply to: Tukota

Facebook has wound me up something chronic..but the last couple of says I've shared a few things and made a few comments and people are starting to send me messages to ask advice and what I think etc. Obviously I cant answer in any authority but I can direct them to relevant sources. So very slowly, people are beginning wake up.

a reply to: Churchhousecreeper

unfortunately i am afraid that the only real news here is how foreign countries are using this kind of information. i mean the reality is that he was a GP in a small town , he was above 65 years old, a category at risk and as i already reported doctors were not very careful about coronavirus in italy even recently. they didn't protect themselves and infected a lot of people
.really worth of being reported by the bbc and all news agencies in other countries. i think this kind of news is included in some countries daily communications by their National Health Bodies

countries are trying to reclute doctors and a lot of them in italy are taking decisions to move abroad based on fear and bans

I have already reported on this based on direct personal experiences

Holy camoli... just seen Italy's numbers for the day. Damn! 2313 new cases and 196 dead.

And Spains is up to 527 new cases with 18 deaths now.

a reply to: Tukota

Quite honestly, having listened to a guy from the supermarkets UK (on the news), he commented that there is plenty of food etc in the system, but it is distributing it that is the slow part. Anyone here who stocked up early has actually helped, as anything you bought will have been replaced for the next wave.
I'm not sure there is much can be said for those that did nothing and treated it like flu. They are largely too dependent on authority for direction (and we know how they have been). Individuals shouldn't feel bad, but authority should... but I very much doubt they care.
I'm sure there are people out there who still think it is a big nothing, or even oblivious. Not much anyone here can do about that, sadly.

Ah, I figured this would happen here in our town at the base. One of the passengers from the Grand Princess tested positive, they were just flown in early yesterday morning. Glad my husband is on leave for a bit lol.

globalnews.ca...

originally posted by: TomLawless
a reply to: JamieJJones

Is this really necessary?

Unreal.

Yes

a reply to: tanstaafl

Thank you very much for this reasonable reply.

Dr. Anthony Fauci addresses questions.

A top U.S. health official said the worst is yet to come with the coronavirus outbreak that has already infected more than 1,000 people across the nation and resulted in at least 31 deaths.

“I can say we will see more cases and things will get worse than they are right now,” Dr. Anthony Fauci, director of the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases, told the House Oversight and Reform Committee on Wednesday at a hearing on the nation’s preparedness for the outbreak.

When pressed by lawmakers for an estimate of eventual fatalities in the U.S., Fauci said it will be “totally dependent upon how we respond to it.”

“I can’t give you a number,” he said. “I can’t give you a realistic number until we put into the factor of how we respond. If we’re complacent and don’t do really aggressive containment and mitigation, the number could go way up and be involved in many, many millions.”

www.cnbc.com...

originally posted by: UFO1414
Dr. Anthony Fauci addresses questions.

A top U.S. health official said the worst is yet to come with the coronavirus outbreak that has already infected more than 1,000 people across the nation and resulted in at least 31 deaths.

“I can say we will see more cases and things will get worse than they are right now,” Dr. Anthony Fauci, director of the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases, told the House Oversight and Reform Committee on Wednesday at a hearing on the nation’s preparedness for the outbreak.

When pressed by lawmakers for an estimate of eventual fatalities in the U.S., Fauci said it will be “totally dependent upon how we respond to it.”

“I can’t give you a number,” he said. “I can’t give you a realistic number until we put into the factor of how we respond. If we’re complacent and don’t do really aggressive containment and mitigation, the number could go way up and be involved in many, many millions.”

www.cnbc.com...

MILLIONS - get it?

It's not the flu, it's not a nothing burger, it's the most catastrophic event in the history of mankind.

originally posted by: bastion
In Italy it seems to be hospitalising the young and healthy in intensive care at the same rate as the elderly,

Really?

Accoring to Italy's National Health Institute:

"The average age of deceased and positive COVID-2019 patients is 81 years, they are mostly men and in more than two thirds of cases they have three or more pre-existing diseases."

staff are already collapsing from exhaustion while on shift and its barely begun with a 6% fatality and 9% intensive care rate so far which is around double the rate China was reporting.

Obviously, it is bad there. But that doesn't mean it will be that bad everywhere.

Can you not see that Italy is an anomaly?

a reply to: tanstaafl

no he cant. hes too blinded by doom porn and fear mongering to have a level head about it. is there anyway to mute this guy?

originally posted by: tanstaafl

originally posted by: bastion
In Italy it seems to be hospitalising the young and healthy in intensive care at the same rate as the elderly,

Really?

Accoring to Italy's National Health Institute:

"The average age of deceased and positive COVID-2019 patients is 81 years, they are mostly men and in more than two thirds of cases they have three or more pre-existing diseases."

staff are already collapsing from exhaustion while on shift and its barely begun with a 6% fatality and 9% intensive care rate so far which is around double the rate China was reporting.

Obviously, it is bad there. But that doesn't mean it will be that bad everywhere.

Can you not see that Italy is an anomaly?

The first people to succumb to any disease will always be the weakest - people who are ill already, the old etc.

To look at that early stage and try to extrapolate out from there that only the old and ill will die is the sign of the utmost stupidity.

You all need to WAKE UP.

I'm telling you this, on this conspiracy forum because I assumed you'd be the ones to get that, take action and save yourselves and your family.

In an ironic twist it seems seems when the stuff hits the fan and everyone else is hunkering down to work out how to survive, you lot want to stick your fingers in your ears, your heads in the sand and believe the MSM when they say it's a cold bug.

You really couldn't make it up.

I get it now, talk about fake news, this is a fake conspiracy website.

What most of you are, are children - like huddling round a camp fire telling each other ghost stories, but even if the hairs on the back of your neck stick up it doesn't matter, because you all know deep down the rubbish stories you tell aren't real.

But when something real DOES pop up - you don't want to know, you want to run away and hide and deny it's true, because it's something you're going to have to face and deal with - but you don't want that.

You prefer to pretend about space aliens, and ghosts, and government conspiracies - and then all of the people who laugh at you with your wild madness, who you deride for not getting it - when they ACT when something real does happen - you laugh at them and deride them and say "that could never happen, the gubment will look after us".

It's scaremongering, it can't be true.

Please mommy - will you tuck me in and tell me a nice bedtime story.

PATHETIC>

originally posted by: JamieJJones

originally posted by: TomLawless
a reply to: JamieJJones

Is this really necessary?

Unreal.

Yes

I've been following since thread one and what you are saying does not sound made up at all to me.