Corona Virus Updates Part 4

Kentucky had 1 case on Friday

Kentucky has 4 cases on Monday.


We can see where this is headed.

originally posted by: butcherguy

originally posted by: Observationalist
a reply to: butcherguy

If kids can weather the virus better than the elderly then Why not keep them at school where they could more easily be monitored. Mandatory hand washing before they enter class and leave class, or other precautions. But now kids will be running around town going to Sizzler with grandma and her friends for lunch. Kids can spread it faster than anyone.

I’m not liking where any of this is going.

Keeping tons of people enclosed under one roof is the best way to have it spread, where it will find its way to all of those children's homes.... including the ones where they already live with grandparents.
This is why they are closing schools in other countries and cancelling mass attended events, like conferences and sporting events.

Yup your right.... can’t do that to teachers either. Damn this stinks. Tough decision having to be made by administrations in the next coming weeks.

Thanks for your input Butcher.

originally posted by: Karyotype
Doctor who treated first US case of coronavirus says patients with mild symptoms can recover at home

Dr. George Diaz, the section chief for infectious diseases at Providence Regional Medical Center in Everett, Wash., told "America's News HQ" on Sunday that most patients infected with the coronavirus can recover at home and do not need to be hospitalized.

"Most folks that are infected with this virus will have a mild disease — won't need to come to the hospital, won't have to be admitted," Diaz said.

"Those people at low risk, there's really not much at this point that needs to be done for them in terms of staying home while they're ill," he added.
"Most folks that are infected with this virus will have a mild disease — won't need to come to the hospital, won't have to be admitted," Diaz said.

"Those people at low risk, there's really not much at this point that needs to be done for them in terms of staying home while they're ill," he added." target="_blank" class="postlink" rel="nofollow">Continue

That is known for some time. Problem is... 20% need hospizalization. Thats much more than with the flu. Look at the severe and critical case number in Italy. Its 50% of cases. This also is telling me... many cases are not caught right now in italy. At least 60% are not seen. As severe cases are 50% now and should be 20%. So they only found 40% of total cases!

9000 cases right now... so there are in reality 20.000 minimum already! -also taking death-rate much lower! More in line with other numbers....

Cheers.

originally posted by: Observationalist

originally posted by: butcherguy

originally posted by: Observationalist
a reply to: butcherguy

If kids can weather the virus better than the elderly then Why not keep them at school where they could more easily be monitored. Mandatory hand washing before they enter class and leave class, or other precautions. But now kids will be running around town going to Sizzler with grandma and her friends for lunch. Kids can spread it faster than anyone.

I’m not liking where any of this is going.

Keeping tons of people enclosed under one roof is the best way to have it spread, where it will find its way to all of those children's homes.... including the ones where they already live with grandparents.
This is why they are closing schools in other countries and cancelling mass attended events, like conferences and sporting events.

Yup your right.... can’t do that to teachers either. Damn this stinks. Tough decision having to be made by administrations in the next coming weeks.

Thanks for your input Butcher.

Honestly, I don't think there is any way to win. We can just try to limit how many people get it in a given time period, to avoid overloading hospitals.

originally posted by: Observationalist
a reply to: butcherguy

If kids can weather the virus better than the elderly then Why not keep them at school where they could more easily be monitored. Mandatory hand washing before they enter class and leave class, or other precautions. But now kids will be running around town going to Sizzler with grandma and her friends for lunch. Kids can spread it faster than anyone.

I’m not liking where any of this is going.

It is a problem either way.

My mother is 85 with underlying health conditions. I am taking her to a major city tomorrow for a much needed medical procedure. She will be staying with us for at least the next 2 weeks. I am really thinking about pulling the kids next week. That was the plan all along anyway if it started getting close. Then re-evaluate from there.

Luckily I have done some preparing since 2014, and topped off in the past 2 weeks. We are set to shelter in place for 6+ months if needed.

My business is down the drain anyway, not a single sale in 2 weeks, so no biggie. I will figure it all out when this is all over.

originally posted by: Observationalist

originally posted by: butcherguy

originally posted by: Observationalist
a reply to: butcherguy

If kids can weather the virus better than the elderly then Why not keep them at school where they could more easily be monitored. Mandatory hand washing before they enter class and leave class, or other precautions. But now kids will be running around town going to Sizzler with grandma and her friends for lunch. Kids can spread it faster than anyone.

I’m not liking where any of this is going.

Keeping tons of people enclosed under one roof is the best way to have it spread, where it will find its way to all of those children's homes.... including the ones where they already live with grandparents.
This is why they are closing schools in other countries and cancelling mass attended events, like conferences and sporting events.

Yup your right.... can’t do that to teachers either. Damn this stinks. Tough decision having to be made by administrations in the next coming weeks.

Thanks for your input Butcher.

I agree. Get the kids out of school and hunker down. Some families might struggle to find care if it is a two income household. Employers should also let employees work remotely, if it's possible. No easy fix here.

The best way, imo, to combat this virus is to isolate yourselves.

originally posted by: RickinVa
Kentucky had 1 case on Friday

Kentucky has 4 cases on Monday.


We can see where this is headed.

What is happening in Italy WILL happen here (North America) if we don't change how we deal with this. We are lucky to be in a position to do so, but I have a feeling it is too late. No government action (closing schools before its a major problem).

The Grand Princess has docked in Oakland, CA.

originally posted by: UFO1414

originally posted by: RickinVa
Kentucky had 1 case on Friday

Kentucky has 4 cases on Monday.


We can see where this is headed.

What is happening in Italy WILL happen here (North America) if we don't change how we deal with this. We are lucky to be in a position to do so, but I have a feeling it is too late. No government action (closing schools before its a major problem).

I think it is too late at this point. I had to pick up prescriptions at the drug store today. I was the only one wearing gloves. People just looked at me funny.

I am not going to wait for the first case in our school district. If I get in trouble for it, so be it. If they come to the house, I will walk out on the porch hacking like crazy, and try to reach for a hand shake. See how long they stick around. LOL

originally posted by: MonkeyBalls2

originally posted by: Dumbass

originally posted by: MonkeyBalls2

originally posted by: pasiphae

originally posted by: MonkeyBalls2

originally posted by: MonkeyBalls2
OK, bear with me here.

Update from French Live Feed at 17h39 local time :

Americans exhorting their old people to stock up on goods and prepare to stay home.

"Les Etats-Unis exhortent les personnes âgées à faire des stocks et à se préparer à rester chez elles"

www.20minutes.fr...

They have just reposted the same thing again, at 18h55 local time.
One line, and no link to any article i can find.
Same feed :

www.20minutes.fr...

edit : The Only thing that comes to mind, would be an unofficial bit of info from the US Embassy in Paris, for its Elderly US Residents in France.

It says this:

5:39 pm: US urges seniors to stock up and prepare to stay at home

US health officials have urged the most vulnerable, the elderly and those with chronic illnesses, to stock up on supplies and medicine to prepare for staying at home.

"Make sure you have stocks, including blood pressure and diabetes medications, and other common medications to treat fever and other symptoms," said Nancy Messonnier, an official with the US Centers for health control and disease prevention (CDC).

"Have enough household goods and supplies to prepare yourself if you ever have to stay at home for a while," she added.

Easier to quarantine the susceptible than the whole population.
60 or 70+ should do it, but for 14 days or more ?

(to anyone : Does that still exist in the UK by the way ?)

As long as an infection is still spreading you would have them separated from the rest. If you stick to the two weeks of being infectious you should start those two weeks after the last one is infected.

So please don't think such a 2 week lock down would resolve the issue. It's gonna take a whole lot longer.

Then the old people are going to either have to stock for a very long time, or someone is going to have to help them along from time to time with deliveries.

The US says to prepare for "a while". OK, we're not talking two weeks, but months ? 6 ?

I simply can't say how long that would take. I'm just a dumbass that is used to project numbers onto the unknown.

What I think is you simply do not want to lower your defence too soon and start all over again. So for security you would take ample time.

1st coronavirus death reported in Santa Clara County (California)

A woman in her 60’s was in the hospital for several weeks, officials say. She was the first confirmed case of COVID-19 in the county who had not traveled internationally or had contact with an already infected patient, which suggests it was a ‘community spread’ case.

www.kron4.com...

After you have a cold, when you exhale deeply, the raspy sound at the end is bubbling in the bottom of your lungs.
I would guess that this bubbling is enough to attach virii to tiny droplets that you exhale.

If this is correct, if you can feel or smell someone's breath, you are too close to them. If your food is close enough to them that their "plume of breath" could land on your food, you are too close. If a cook or server breathes on your food...

Not sure if this has already been posted. Here's the action plan for potential school closures in California:

www.cdph.ca.gov... cAc5z7FfPtqQpVsWMaKHkYIslPViwI

Interesting, the book is from 1981.

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Has anyone seen any news about a rush to get out of an area in New York City?
My nephew said that someone told him there was a rush to get on trains, something to do with an outbreak of the virus at a college.
I did a search, but didn't find any news about it.

Don't know if this has been posted yet, but NY is up from 105 to 142 since I posted this morning.
www.wktv.com...

ALBANY, N.Y. (AP) - New York's coronavirus caseload has hit 142 and reached into government itself, with the head of the agency that runs New York City-area airports testing positive. The Port Authority of New York and New Jersey said Monday that executive director Rick Cotton tested positive, has no symptoms and is quarantining himself and working from home. Gov. Andrew Cuomo announced the number of cases statewide rose Monday from 105 to 142. Most cases are linked to a cluster in suburban Westchester County, north of New York City. But patients are spread from Long Island to the Capital Region, with 19 in New York City. As case numbers have grown, so have school closings and other fallout from the spread of the virus. The governor has declared a state of emergency to make it easier to respond to the outbreak. Cuomo has stressed that most people who become infected will have mild symptoms.

On Guardian Live Feed at 8.11pm UK time, this quote I found very interesting, from Taiwan's Epidemic Command Centre :

Egypt accuses the Taiwanese woman Case #39 to be the origin of the outbreak in Egypt, but the Taiwanese respond :

The strain of virus from Case #39 belongs to the same clade of the strains of virus in Europe, Nigeria, Brazil and Italy. The study showed that Case #39 is only an index patient who was first diagnosed with covid-19 but not the source of infection.

It is determined that Case #39 contracted the novel coronavirus in Egypt, and developed symptoms after returning to Taiwan and that this is an imported case.

Link


So definite confirmation of more than one strain.
To me anyway.


edit : I had to look this up :

Medical Definition of Clade
Clade: Related organisms descended from a common ancestor. For example, isolate M of HIV-1 (the human immunodeficiency virus) consists of at least ten clades.

originally posted by: butcherguy
Has anyone seen any news about a rush to get out of an area in New York City?
My nephew said that someone told him there was a rush to get on trains, something to do with an outbreak of the virus at a college.
I did a search, but didn't find any news about it.

Perhaps Columbia U? They just cancelled classes. That I believe around 116 st and broadway.?

I introduced my self on thread 2 page 125.

UK (Military)

UPDATE

Work: No change. We have had general MOD/defence instructions which are a broad brush generalisation on how best to protect assets, personnel and mitigate the risk to all whilst still managing to deliver our defence tasks. We have received our warning order at our unit. Which is a plan to ensure that we can continue to deliver our main defence task, because of this we will not be involved (that I know of), any military aid to the civil authority if it is needed. That is not the role of the unit I am with. I know, from friends elsewhere, that their units/locations have similar instructions. I have not heard of any units on standby to deploy in support to the civil authority, I have no doubt that there are contingency plans for such though. There maybe other units/locations whose main role that might be, but not where I'm stationed. This is a threat we have to face. It's about risk management as it cannot be contained and unfortunately for some, it could be life changing or ending. If you accept that you are going to get this you are prepared, you need to mentally adjust for that. It's out there amongst us. We have lost freedom of movement within our operational environment. We are operating within a contaminated environment with an 'agent' that we cannot remove. Operating in such an environment restricts what we can do and the protective measures we put in place to mitigate the risks cannot be sustained indefinitely, simply because it cannot be contained; so it's only a matter of time before we all get it. So it's all about delay and 'damage' limitation, ensuring we can still carry out our main defence task throughout.

Domestic: Prepared and ready. We are all fit and healthy.

Opinion: All rumours aside. Don't worry too much. There is much we don't know about the virus, which may or may not be bad but I don't see populations falling dead by such numbers that this is the end. The biggest threat that this virus poses is social unrest and social disruption, we can work through that. But the food will still get to the shops, power to your sockets and water from your taps (that's all in hand, those contingency plans all based on a really really worst case scenario). Of course we need to look after those who are most vulnerable to this virus. Respect to all the health care professionals. Look out for each other and think positive, this will pass.

Didn't see it posted yet buy Ohio confirms cases.

It is now official, Ohio now has cases of 2019-NCOV

Three cases of COVID-19 coronavirus confirmed
All from Cuyahoga County and are in their 50s
Gov. DeWine declared a State of Emergency
Eight others under investigation for possible exposure to the virus

www.10tv.com...