Corona Virus Updates Part 4

Just as a follow up, I’m expecting a bloom of cases in my city, Nottingham, England in due course. We have 5 confirmed cases in the county and 2 within the city (which I assume includes the one in close proximity to my location). We’re a city of around 325,000 inhabitants here. What’s pretty interesting is that we have a case that travelled from South Korea recently, along with a case that returned from Italy. From what I’ve seen figures wise, these appear to be two very different strains, at least in terms of fatality rate and hospitalisations. As the two are converging in a relatively small geographic area, it could make for some results worth following. We were also addressed specifically by the government deputy medical officer in today’s news. Nothing much other than “wash your hands”, which seems to be the magical cure for everything at the moment 🙄
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originally posted by: trollslayer
a reply to: Agit8dChop

I've been seeing more than a few countries claiming we are the source of their recent cases. I believe Chile is one of the countries that instituted a travel ban from the USA, iirc.

The blame game. It started in China, then moved from there. No point in trying to pin it down further. Now that it is community spread, it really does not matter.

It's here.
It sucks.

a reply to: Agit8dChop

I think it’s at the point of being so prevalent that we have to assume every country except Antarctica is infected. Unless penguins can get it too.

China still has infections spreading and people dying, they are just doing everything possible to cover it up. Who’s to say that a travelers from China didn’t spread it everywhere?

Update Mar. 8/20 - 11pm EST
Wuhan Coronavirus (2019-nCoV) Global Cases (by JHU CSSE)
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Canada * 31-Toronto,Ont., 27-British Columbia, 1-London,Ont. 4-Quebec 4-Alberta
Cruise Ship 43-Canadians are currently infected -- Total 66+43=109
www.canada.ca... nuary-4-2018/canadas-pandemic-plan.html

coronavirus.1point3acres.com... USA & Canada Updates

Mar.01/20 - 4 more confirm + 20 Canada = Total 24
Mar.02/20 - 3 more confirm + 24 Canada = Total 27
Mar.03/20 - 6 more confirm + 27 Canada = Total 33
Mar.04/20 - 1 more confirm + 33 Canada = Total 34
Mar.05/20 - 14 more confirm + 34 Canada = Total 48
Mar.06/20 - 6 more confirm + 48 Canada = Total 54
Mar.07/20 - 6 more confirm + 54 Canada = Total 60
Mar.08/20 - 6 more confirm + 60 Canada = Total 66

Feb.27/20 - 131 more confirm + 139 Iran = Total 270
Feb.28/20 - 118 more confirm + 270 Iran = Total 388
Feb.29/20 - 205 more confirm + 388 Iran = Total 593
Mar. 1/20 - 385 more confirm + 593 Iran = Total 978
Mar. 2/20 - 523 more confirm + 978 Iran = Total 1,501
Mar. 3/20 - 835 more confirm + 1,501 Iran = Total 2,336
Mar. 4/20 - 586 more confirm + 2,336 Iran = Total 2,922
Mar. 5/20 - 591 more confirm + 2,922 Iran = Total 3,513
Mar. 6/20 - 1,234 more confirm + 3,513 Iran = Total 4,747
Mar. 7/20 - 1,076 more confirm + 4,747 Iran = Total 5,823
Mar. 8/20 - 743 more confirm + 5,823 Iran = Total 6,566

Feb.27/20 - 202 more confirm + 453 Italy = Total 655
Feb.28/20 - 234 more confirm + 655 Italy = Total 889
Feb.29/20 - 239 more confirm + 889 Italy = Total 1,128
Mar. 1/20 - 566 more confirm + 1,128 Italy = Total 1,694
Mar. 2/20 - 342 more confirm + 1,694 Italy = Total 2,036
Mar. 3/20 - 466 more confirm + 2,036 Italy = Total 2,502
Mar. 4/20 - 586 more confirm + 2,502 Italy = Total 3,089
Mar. 5/20 - 769 more confirm + 3,089 Italy = Total 3,858
Mar. 6/20 - 778 more confirm + 3,858 Italy = Total 4,636
Mar. 7/20 - 1,247 more confirm + 4,636 Italy = Total 5,883
Mar. 8/20 - 1,492 more confirm + 5,883 Italy = Total 7,375

Feb.27/20 - 427 more confirm + 1,595 South Korea = Total 2,022
Feb.28/20 - 909 more confirm + 2,022 South Korea = Total 2,931
Feb.29/20 - 595 more confirm + 2,931 South Korea = Total 3,526
Mar. 1/20 - 686 more confirm + 3,526 South Korea = Total 4,212
Mar. 2/20 - 600 more confirm + 4,212 South Korea = Total 4,812
Mar. 3/20 - 516 more confirm + 4,812 South Korea = Total 5,328
Mar. 4/20 - 438 more confirm + 5,328 South Korea = Total 5,766
Mar. 5/20 - 518 more confirm + 5,766 South Korea = Total 6,284
Mar. 6/20 - 483 more confirm + 6,284 South Korea = Total 6,767
Mar. 7/20 - 367 more confirm + 6,767 South Korea = Total 7,134
Mar. 8/20 - 248 more confirm + 7,134 South Korea = Total 7,382

www.worldometers.info...

RE: a bunch of posts.

I want to chime in on several things, some particular to the US.

Subject to change given contradicting information: I sincerely believe US testing was hampered by the difficulties of creating a test that had a good "false negative" performance, given the mutations and strains.

Now that testing is rolling out, we will get additional insight into both the disease and extend of current spead. But, personally this is not of much value. If you accept that day 1 is not contagious, day 2-4 are asymptomatic contagious, day 5 is symptom onset, everyone needs to be treated as asymptomatic infectious.

If you get a mild case, knowing by a test that it is COVID19 doesnt change much, if you need to assume everone is a potential asymptomatic carrier, yourself included. Preparation to handle the severe cases does need to be the priority of all levels of government, down to and including the individuals themselves.

As to the lockdowns that were not done before, or may be done in the futire, they probably only effect the timing. Even the North Korean approach of shooting everyone that may have symptoms (and everyone they contacted) still will only delay the inevitable. It only takes one case to slip through the fence.

A note to some lurkers who dont quite know what to think about this thread, or think it is silly: read between the lines. The posts here any not panic or fancy, rather they are very controlled evaluation of the unfolding situation, and measured preparation.

The Oregon Gov. Brown declared state of emergency today where I live 3/8/2020. Convid-19 cases doubled to 14 and expanded to include six counties, late Saturday. KTVZ.com News 21

originally posted by: Oleman
RE: a bunch of posts.

I want to chime in on several things, some particular to the US.

Subject to change given contradicting information: I sincerely believe US testing was hampered by the difficulties of creating a test that had a good "false negative" performance, given the mutations and strains.

Now that testing is rolling out, we will get additional insight into both the disease and extend of current spead. But, personally this is not of much value. If you accept that day 1 is not contagious, day 2-4 are asymptomatic contagious, day 5 is symptom onset, everyone needs to be treated as asymptomatic infectious.

If you get a mild case, knowing by a test that it is COVID19 doesnt change much, if you need to assume everone is a potential asymptomatic carrier, yourself included. Preparation to handle the severe cases does need to be the priority of all levels of government, down to and including the individuals themselves.

As to the lockdowns that were not done before, or may be done in the futire, they probably only effect the timing. Even the North Korean approach of shooting everyone that may have symptoms (and everyone they contacted) still will only delay the inevitable. It only takes one case to slip through the fence.

A note to some lurkers who dont quite know what to think about this thread, or think it is silly: read between the lines. The posts here any not panic or fancy, rather they are very controlled evaluation of the unfolding situation, and measured preparation.

I have been hearing about plans to shutter schools for 14 days, as that is past the 9 days it can live on surfaces. I hope that is not true, because it is stupid.

You have someone infected at the school, he/she infects others before school closes.

14 days later, they are still in incubation or just starting with symptoms. School is clean, until the new carrier comes in.

Rinse, repeat as desired.

originally posted by: trollslayer
a reply to: Agit8dChop

I've been seeing more than a few countries claiming we are the source of their recent cases. I believe Chile is one of the countries that instituted a travel ban from the USA, iirc.

I live in Chile. That I know of, no travel ban from USA. Think they haven't banned any country yet. Haven't followed that news. But my sister arrived from Florida, USA just this week.

This link (in eglish by google translate), is a press release of the biggest national airline in Chile.

Also only 1 case from USA to Chile. This is my post about it.

originally posted by: MrRCflying

originally posted by: Oleman
RE: a bunch of posts.

I want to chime in on several things, some particular to the US.

Subject to change given contradicting information: I sincerely believe US testing was hampered by the difficulties of creating a test that had a good "false negative" performance, given the mutations and strains.

Now that testing is rolling out, we will get additional insight into both the disease and extend of current spead. But, personally this is not of much value. If you accept that day 1 is not contagious, day 2-4 are asymptomatic contagious, day 5 is symptom onset, everyone needs to be treated as asymptomatic infectious.

If you get a mild case, knowing by a test that it is COVID19 doesnt change much, if you need to assume everone is a potential asymptomatic carrier, yourself included. Preparation to handle the severe cases does need to be the priority of all levels of government, down to and including the individuals themselves.

As to the lockdowns that were not done before, or may be done in the futire, they probably only effect the timing. Even the North Korean approach of shooting everyone that may have symptoms (and everyone they contacted) still will only delay the inevitable. It only takes one case to slip through the fence.

A note to some lurkers who dont quite know what to think about this thread, or think it is silly: read between the lines. The posts here any not panic or fancy, rather they are very controlled evaluation of the unfolding situation, and measured preparation.

I have been hearing about plans to shutter schools for 14 days, as that is past the 9 days it can live on surfaces. I hope that is not true, because it is stupid.

You have someone infected at the school, he/she infects others before school closes.

14 days later, they are still in incubation or just starting with symptoms. School is clean, until the new carrier comes in.

Rinse, repeat as desired.

It's not stupid, there needs to be a continuation of goods and services, prolonged disruption will shut down the whole shebang as industry backs up and crashes to a halt, a little like dominoes.

Avon (Indiana) elementary student tests positive for coronavirus

AVON, Ind. (WISH) — An elementary school student in Avon has tested positive for coronavirus, prompting the entire school district to have an e-learning day on Monday.

The Hendricks County Health Department on Sunday night notified the school district that a student who attends Hickory Elementary received the positive test result late Sunday and shared it with the district.

The state health commissioner and the Hendricks County Health Department have recommended that Hickory Elementary School be closed for two weeks. Students and staff will return after spring break, on April 6.

If confirmed by the Indiana State Department of Health, the child would be the third person in Indiana to have tested positive for coronavirus. Two people who traveled to Boston in late February to attend a BioGen conference have also tested positive.

Source

a reply to: MrRCflying

I think in the US spring break is looming and many school districts are hoping to get to it for the break. Then they’ll assess during that time as office and admin staff (at least in my state do work through the break. If I was in their leadership structure that’s what I would do unless a case is confirmed within a district.

My kids go on spring break on the 16th. So far cases in AZ very low, hopefully they can make get through to the break.

a reply to: SpartanStoic

Yes I cant see any real information that's come out of Wuhan from about a month ago. Wuhan is the real thing whatever happened there is the most likely scenario of what will happen elsewhere. I suggest we may be looking at a worst case scenario. I hear Honeywell output of protective gear is going to the Government , none to civilian sources, Russia a usual exporter of protective gear has stopped exports, so looks like Governments are planning accordingly.

a reply to: SpartanStoic

China still has infections spreading and people dying, they are just doing everything possible to cover it up.

Some alternative source info FWIIW: my Wife is a Shanghi ex-pat that chats daily with her old friends in Shanghi. I just asked her, and she tells me that "they" are still on very serious SELF lockdown, but not enforced lockdown. They travel between communities cautiously. Many are back to work. (She just walk in and showed me about 12 pictures of people working with plastic tents set up over their desks, and commuting with plastic improvized personal bubbles...)

One of her friend's daughters just made a short trip to Thailand. Her story is that only Asians were being stopped, questioned, and given temperature tests, then all were allowed to proceed to wherever. She was upset that the "Germans and Italians" were not tested or questioned, other than normal customs.

I specifically asked "do Shanghi people believe the 339 number?" She said "absolutely, everyone is very careful."

She also did not feel that her friends are being censored. But, she said they are all boted out of their minds from isolation, and really want to go back to work. (Both for financial and boredom reasons.)

If this is at least partially accurate, maybe we can have consolance that a month after peak, Shanghi is mainly concerned about boredom...

(I should add that there were two recent stories about "them" finding out acquaintances had passed in other cities.)

originally posted by: burdman30ott6

originally posted by: musicismagic
It may contain.... sorry I won't post on this till the facts are in .

Could you please stop doing that? Your posts tend to read like effing cliffhanger episodes and Choose your Adventure children's books. It's irritating and rude. Either say what you have to say or don't, enough of this halfway in... nope, gonna pull back out horsesnip.

Not really but here is an example . I don't have drone footage of Hokkaido, but this is of China in Beijing.
Anyway, if you are thinking I want to cause panic, well , I'm not into that territory . Americans as far as I'm concerned are in other matters at this time that are of no interest of the video I 'm about to post.

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Today stocks are down over 200 USD and falling. These are Japanese stocks.

Hmmm. More pieces of the puzzle.

My wife just walked in and said she asked some of my questions, and she received somewhat "coded" responses. They acknowledged that all flights WERE shut down in Shanghi as of today, something about a plane crashing (maybe shot down by y the military) and that the situation may be very different in Bejing. She then told me in a serious quiet tone that she thinks they were trying to tell her that there is a power struggle going on, a lot of people really dont like Xi Jing Ping, and there might be an attempted leadership takeover in progress.

When I used the word "coup," she gave me a strange look and left the room.

a reply to: Oleman

Not disagreeing but don’t see it as that cut and dried because Shanghai is the financial capital of the mainland. The CCP needs it to function to carry on the cover up.

Most in my wife’s family, which are spread in almost every corner of China do not believe the infection numbers.

I’m currently banned on WeChat, again so can’t talk to anyone. My wife is being very careful and chooses who she talks to about what. So it’s harder than ever to really get any idea what’s happening.

I got my Twitter banned today for arguing the CCP numbers chant been correct. I strongly suspect Twitter bending to CCPs will on this matter.

This is Japan today: A total of 485 people infected in Japan. As it is Monday more reports will come come. We now are testing about 4600 people a day . Today in Tokyo the train system reports a decrease in passengers . The economy is slowing down by the hour here. For you Americans following me , I'm straight on info. Your want to hide you head under the pillow, go ahead. But don't knock the info I'm sharing. Its for real in this country.

a reply to: musicismagic

If that's what it's going to take to avoid and eradicate this virus its not going to be pretty in western society.
Have to give it to them,China was the perfect place for this to happen with all their social controls.
Almost like it was the plan all along.

a reply to: Oleman

A military fighter jet was supposedly shot down near Tianjin on Saturday morning US time. Reported as a crash however someone in wife’s family in a position to potentially know said shoot down. A few hours after my wife told me this some people were talking about it on WeChat via codewords and wife’s uncle said his sources said it was shot down.

Didn’t post coz not virus related. But as I suspected and posted before there could very well be an active coup in motion. Maybe that’s why they locked down he media so hard?

With high ranking members of CCP being infected maybe some decided it’s on like a Donkey Kong and went for a coup. That’s what I’d do.

Come to think of it I don’t think we’ve seen Xi for many days in the media.