Corona Virus Updates Part 4

originally posted by: MrRCflying

originally posted by: MonkeyBalls2

originally posted by: tetra50

originally posted by: MrRCflying

originally posted by: tetra50

originally posted by: MrRCflying

originally posted by: Dumbass
a reply to: MrRCflying

But you mean for every disease, illness and cough?

My lungs have been bad for two decades now. So I should have stayed in all the time? With H1N1 (and the followers), with Mers, zika, sars and now corona?

They were all new originally. Maybe it's best if from now on we all stay home and never leave unless you have explicit governmental approval to travel from point A to B?

Of course not, you are putting words in my mouth.

This is something new, thus the "novel". Humans have no antibodies to it, resulting in the higher number of serious and critical hospitalizations, and deaths. Common colds and flu are not nearly as dangerous. Yes, people die from common colds and the flu, but the numbers for this seem to be higher.

There will come a time, in the next few weeks I think, that if you get sick, you most likely have Corona. I just don't see anyway around it at this point. Use common sense and do your best not to spread it.

I am coining a new term. "Percentage Deniers" PD for short. Those that are still trying to hang on to their reality, with fingers in ears, that Corona is not as bad as a cold or the flu. Even though WHO, CDC, and governments, and the statistics are proving otherwise.

I see we have a few PD's here.

BUT this is also a "common cold" identified virus, with HIV spike proteins in common. Are they the same "spike proteins" that cause reconfiguration of where the virus binds, as in its reinfection state.....the person reinfected.....which isn't really that, as viruses usually stay in our bodies after we host them. Even successful hepatitus treatments available today only render the virus under detection scale, meaning detectable can still occur, if the virus were to gain the upper hand, once more.

So, this virus, with its HIV compatible spike proteins, could conceivably sitting in you undetectable after a first "recovery," then finding the antibodies you newly produced, and binding to them, now, instead, to seek a different way to make you ill, and compromise your immunity and turn it onto itself, creating secondary issues such as septic shock and organ failure.

This is just what HIV/AIDS full blown did, too: you get a plethora of secondary infections, and are never well again, till one of them kills you.

All the fatalities being reported with "underlying health issues," tend to support same etiology.
regards,
tetra

If that is the case, and I surely hope it is not, then the world has a huge problem. I have no idea how anyone any government, any organization would/could deal with that.

I think it is a little early in the game though, and more follow up needs to be done to see if that is really the case.

I think what's most saliently revealed here is that was never going to be "anyone any government, any organization would/could deal with that." those institutions dealing with anything.

It's going to be us, one individual at a time, able to discern and behave/act accordingly.
tetra

Yeah, like humans have ever acted "accordingly".
People are panic buying TP for gods sake.
Like thats the 1st neccessity.

Well, there were reports early on that diarrhea was an early symptom. We might all need that extra TP. LOL I have over 200 rolls, so I am good for now.

originally posted by: CrazeeWorld777
a reply to: liejunkie01

I was thinking earlier why people are still traveling around? There's just too much risk now and they are bloody infecting others without acknowledging it or thinking about it.

originally posted by: MrRCflying

originally posted by: tetra50

The HIV spike proteins I refer to are not a maybe, they are an ARE, right now. a reply to: MrRCflying

I have seen that. But at this point in time is anyone sure that future occurrences of symptoms, or post symptomatic transmission is possible? I think it is too early to come to that conclusion.

originally posted by: MrRCflying

originally posted by: tetra50

originally posted by: MrRCflying

originally posted by: tetra50

The HIV spike proteins I refer to are not a maybe, they are an ARE, right now. a reply to: MrRCflying

I have seen that. But at this point in time is anyone sure that future occurrences of symptoms, or post symptomatic transmission is possible? I think it is too early to come to that conclusion.

I would ask your regard for science, then.....as there were reports today on scientific medical journals that Chinese scientists have mapped the virus they've been given samples, and then mapped 149 mutations of it in what they've been given to test.

They identified an L type and an S type. Not my naming, you understand. Why not call them I and Q or whatever.
But that is what is being published now.

"post symptomatic," I would just refer you to any good biology site referencing the life of viral infection. It isn't cured, it's just relegated to "below a detectable level." Once you've contracted any virus, this is what that means. You don't sometimes have Herpes, you ALWAYS have it. Dependent on your current viral lode, is what makes you extremely transmissable, or not at all......

I understand what you are saying. However, I don't think anyone inside or outside the scientific community would or can say that Corona will act this way. It is just too early. Only something that time will tell. I am not ruling out the possibility, but I am not going to jump to conclusions either.

One thing I can say, if that is the case, it would be much more horrific for mankind as a whole.

The person last worked at LAX on Feb. 21, said DHS, which also said the medical professional had worn the proper protective gear while working.

originally posted by: UFO1414
Medical screener at LAX airport tests positive for coronavirus

The person last worked at LAX on Feb. 21, said DHS, which also said the medical professional had worn the proper protective gear while working.

www.nbcnews.com...

originally posted by: tetra50

originally posted by: Tukota
Big news on testing today, from the segment I'm watching on Fox News right now as they await the funding vote for the $8B Coronavirus bill.

They just said that the guidelines for testing are being changed from "having to meet a certain set of criteria", to "anyone with a recommendation from a doctor can now get tested" with the goal for the change being that if people are ill, they can get tested and treated before getting too sick.

There is no link because it is live TV, but I've typed practically word-for-word what the reporter just said.

Bolding mine. Hey Tukota. Thanks for that update.

But this also means, that anyone testing positive, even without symptoms, can also be locked, down, followed, tracked, being told to "self quarantine", etc.
Just saying, and I think, worthy of consideration.
stay safe,
tetra

originally posted by: celltypespecific
This is a major finding....you will hear learn more about this in news media several days from now.....

Among the 27 viruses isolated from Wuhan, 26 (96.3%) were L type, and only 1 (3.7%) was S type.However, among the other 73 viruses isolated outside Wuhan, 45 (61.6%) were L type, and 28 (38.4%) were S type. This comparison suggests that the L type is significantly more prevalent in Wuhan than in other places (P= 0.0004, Fisher’s exact test, Fig. 6and Table S3).

academic.oup.com...

Interestingly, the virus isolated from one patient in Shenzhen on January 13, 2020 (SZ_2020/01/13.a, GISAID ID: EPI_ISL_406592) had C at both positions 8,782 and 28,144 in the genome, belonging to neither L nor S type

originally posted by: MrRCflying

originally posted by: tetra50

originally posted by: MrRCflying

originally posted by: tetra50

The HIV spike proteins I refer to are not a maybe, they are an ARE, right now. a reply to: MrRCflying

I have seen that. But at this point in time is anyone sure that future occurrences of symptoms, or post symptomatic transmission is possible? I think it is too early to come to that conclusion.

I would ask your regard for science, then.....as there were reports today on scientific medical journals that Chinese scientists have mapped the virus they've been given samples, and then mapped 149 mutations of it in what they've been given to test.

They identified an L type and an S type. Not my naming, you understand. Why not call them I and Q or whatever.
But that is what is being published now.

"post symptomatic," I would just refer you to any good biology site referencing the life of viral infection. It isn't cured, it's just relegated to "below a detectable level." Once you've contracted any virus, this is what that means. You don't sometimes have Herpes, you ALWAYS have it. Dependent on your current viral lode, is what makes you extremely transmissable, or not at all......

I understand what you are saying. However, I don't think anyone inside or outside the scientific community would or can say that Corona will act this way. It is just too early. Only something that time will tell. I am not ruling out the possibility, but I am not going to jump to conclusions either.

One thing I can say, if that is the case, it would be much more horrific for mankind as a whole.

originally posted by: Tukota

originally posted by: tetra50

originally posted by: Tukota
Big news on testing today, from the segment I'm watching on Fox News right now as they await the funding vote for the $8B Coronavirus bill.

They just said that the guidelines for testing are being changed from "having to meet a certain set of criteria", to "anyone with a recommendation from a doctor can now get tested" with the goal for the change being that if people are ill, they can get tested and treated before getting too sick.

There is no link because it is live TV, but I've typed practically word-for-word what the reporter just said.

Bolding mine. Hey Tukota. Thanks for that update.

But this also means, that anyone testing positive, even without symptoms, can also be locked, down, followed, tracked, being told to "self quarantine", etc.
Just saying, and I think, worthy of consideration.
stay safe,
tetra

I've thought of that too. There are definitely pros and cons to consider when the state becomes 'aware' of your situation. In the movie Outbreak, they just drove up to your house, collected you, and off you went with the nice army man. lol. I'd have to be pretty sick to go to ER with it, and I am immunosuppressed. The risk for having your choice taken away from you regarding self-isolation vs. forced isolation is the concern for me. But as we've seen posted on this thread, some that are supposed to self-isolate don't and then ruin it for others that do it the correct way. I think places like LA and King County are going to be ones to watch to see how far they go with the quarantines.

NEW: List of recommendations in King County, Washington, to prevent the spread of coronavirus. People 60+, those with underlying health issues, and pregnant women, are advised to stay home and avoid large groups.

originally posted by: MonkeyBalls2

originally posted by: UFO1414
Medical screener at LAX airport tests positive for coronavirus

The person last worked at LAX on Feb. 21, said DHS, which also said the medical professional had worn the proper protective gear while working.

www.nbcnews.com...

So this thing has probably got at least a week while it hides.
We already know its infectious, any new info is good.

originally posted by: Dumbass
a reply to: MrRCflying

We have been there before. The fear was not picked up as it is now.

The thing is we will all get it one way or another. Delaying is at one side good at another side bad. Yes it will hurt a lot of people. I'm not advocating that it won't. The question is if it is as bad as some people mention do you want to slowly pull the bandage or rip it off fast.

Slowly is on the personal level the most comfortable. Ripping of fast is in the sense of bouncing up afterwards best.

I am sure if you would go in self quarantine as you mention it would ease your conscious. You might even double the adviced time. Few months later you hear you never really cured and infected more. Would that ease your mind? Hell no it would not.

Not sure why you start labelling again in response to me. PDs come on. I would hope a situation like this would finally solve the polarizing of society but clearly it has not (yet). If you have read back my post you see that I state you should interpreted these percentages as what they represent. Do I believe that there are only less then an 100k infections? No not at all. I think it is far more wide spread then anyone knows or that even the fear inciting people on mass media (sorry ATS, but that includes you) are mentioning.

Fact is the percentages are based on measurements as they should be. So check carefully what they measure and base your interpretation on that.

Btw the WHO and organisations from where I am tell me not to self quarantine unless I have the symptoms + have been to a contaminated zone or met with an infected. Should I ignore these as well? I mean I know how it feels when my lungs go bad. Should I ignore the possibility and follow the guidelines as they mention or should I go against them with common sense?

See where I'm going? People follow these guidelines and information when that suits them and ignore them when not.

Next question. What is will cause more damage in the long run? A slow spread with a societal collapse felt through every generation both healthy and not or a quick culling of weak bodies like mine? Think about it as if it weren't humans as that's too close to comfort for most. But animals in a forest. Which would be the less worst (as I can not say best) solution? Weaken the whole population to save the few?

I would give up my live in a heartbeat for a quick bounce for my kids and grandkids. Maybe you're more like to share the suffering amongst everyone. Idk.